I don't think Cleveland will pass us

[theBigLip]

This sounds pretty f--ked up:

As Deng recently told one close friend, “the stuff going on in practice would never be tolerated by the coaching staff or the front office back in Chicago. It’s a mess."
Deng was brought in to help clean it up when he arrived in a deal for Andrew Bynum on Jan. 7. But since then, he’s seen players get thrown out of practice, take off their uniform tops at halftime and threaten not to play, mouth off to Brown and generally act like spoiled brats. Entering Saturday’s game at Houston, the Cavs had lost seven of their last 11 games since the Deng trade.


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[Neptune]

This is why you shouldn't tank. Poor Cavs

[MotownMadness]

That's what happens when you encourage a losing culture for four straight years. The Cavs have been the most obvious bring on the exaggerated injuries and do whatever for a full tank for too many years. Sometimes that losing culture just sticks and this is what starts to happen.

[sc8581]

Monroe/CV/Singler
for
Waiters/Varejao/Miles/future pick (unlikely this year)

Miles is a solid 3&D SF that can start for us, he's only 26 so could be a piece for the future as well. Waiters comes off the bench, likely our 6th man of the year candidate for the next decade but certainly has a chance to be an all-star caliber player if things go well. Varejao is a great 3rd big for the rest of the season and has a team option for next year. Overall we instantly get better without losing youth or cap flexibility.

Drummond/Varejao
Smith/Jorts
Miles/Datome
KCP/Waiters
Jennings/Stuckey

Cleveland gets their future center and #2 option on offense, Monroe should flourish playing with a #1 option like Kyrie and Thompson having a jump shot next to him will help as well. Singler would see significant minutes for them probably competing for the starting SG spot with Jack. Deng probably won't be back so they could ink Monroe to the max and still have a lot of cap space.

[MotownMadness]

Monroe/CV/Singler
for
Waiters/Varejao/Miles/future pick (unlikely this year)

Miles is a solid 3&D SF that can start for us, he's only 26 so could be a piece for the future as well. Waiters comes off the bench, likely our 6th man of the year candidate for the next decade but certainly has a chance to be an all-star caliber player if things go well. Varejao is a great 3rd big for the rest of the season and has a team option for next year. Overall we instantly get better without losing youth or cap flexibility.

Drummond/Varejao
Smith/Jorts
Miles/Datome
KCP/Waiters
Jennings/Stuckey

Cleveland gets their future center and #2 option on offense, Monroe should flourish playing with a #1 option like Kyrie and Thompson having a jump shot next to him will help as well. Singler would see significant minutes for them probably competing for the starting SG spot with Jack. Deng probably won't be back so they could ink Monroe to the max and still have a lot of cap space.

Not bad, I do really like Miles.

[sc8581]

Monroe/CV/Singler
for
Waiters/Varejao/Miles/future pick (unlikely this year)

Miles is a solid 3&D SF that can start for us, he's only 26 so could be a piece for the future as well. Waiters comes off the bench, likely our 6th man of the year candidate for the next decade but certainly has a chance to be an all-star caliber player if things go well. Varejao is a great 3rd big for the rest of the season and has a team option for next year. Overall we instantly get better without losing youth or cap flexibility.

Drummond/Varejao
Smith/Jorts
Miles/Datome
KCP/Waiters
Jennings/Stuckey

Cleveland gets their future center and #2 option on offense, Monroe should flourish playing with a #1 option like Kyrie and Thompson having a jump shot next to him will help as well. Singler would see significant minutes for them probably competing for the starting SG spot with Jack. Deng probably won't be back so they could ink Monroe to the max and still have a lot of cap space.

Not bad, I do really like Miles.

Me too, I always looked at him as a good role player on a contending team and then the last couple years he's really been hitting his 3's too.

[ComboGuardCity]

Monroe and Jennings for Kyrie. What a pipe dream. But that's one guy id trade moose for.

[Kilo]

If Waiters is a problem child in Cleveland I don't think Mo Cheeks is going to rein him in in Detroit. A sad sack coach on a two year deal with a GM on an expiring deal isn't stability.

Cleveland is a mess because of their obvious tanking alright. And their bad picks after said tanking. It's a losing culture combined with big risk on boom or bust draft picks.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Monroe and Jennings for Kyrie. What a pipe dream. But that's one guy id trade moose for.

I actually would freak out. I hate Kyrie, and believe he is vastly overrated. He has some of the worst body language in the league, and I think it's telling when you go to the Cavs forums and the fans there have been talking for over a year, and still talk, about trading away Kyrie and building around Waiters. That is a massive overpayment for what he is really worth.

His field goal percentage hovers around the same numbers as Smith (this year averaging .42 on 8-18 shooting), is 3pt percentage is ALMOST the league average, with a 6.2 to 2.6 assist to turnover ratio. He has attitude and team issues, he shuts down on defense and loses interest regularly.

I'm really not a fan. I liked him his first year, then started to see his ego get the best of him. NOT SAYING he can't get better though. At this point I'd be pretty upset if we traded Monroe for him.

...Jennings and Smith or Kyrie? In a hummingbird's heartbeat I would.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

If Waiters is a problem child in Cleveland I don't think Mo Cheeks is going to rein him in in Detroit. A sad sack coach on a two year deal with a GM on an expiring deal isn't stability.

Cleveland is a mess because of their obvious tanking alright. And their bad picks after said tanking. It's a losing culture combined with big risk on boom or bust draft picks.

Waiters got Ellis Syndrome. I saw an interview where he referred to himself in the 3rd person. Unacceptable and bizarre, for anyone not named Karl Malone.

[Snakebites]

This is why I've never supported tanking.

All Cleveland has is the fantasy that Lebron might come and rescue them again.

Of course, that's probably more than we've got at the moment.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

This is why I've never supported tanking.

All Cleveland has is the fantasy that Lebron might come and rescue them again.

Of course, that's probably more than we've got at the moment.

I honestly woulda been ready to bet money on him returning, to "complete his legacy" and bringing home a trophy to the Cavs. He hinted to it a few times. But after all the things you read about lately? The player revolts against coaches, general front office disaster, complete lack of professionalism, players kicked out of practices....

I don't think Lebron is coming home this time.

[DBC10]

Monroe and Jennings for Kyrie. What a pipe dream. But that's one guy id trade moose for.

I actually would freak out. I hate Kyrie, and believe he is vastly overrated. He has some of the worst body language in the league, and I think it's telling when you go to the Cavs forums and the fans there have been talking for over a year, and still talk, about trading away Kyrie and building around Waiters. That is a massive overpayment for what he is really worth.

His field goal percentage hovers around the same numbers as Smith (this year averaging .42 on 8-18 shooting), is 3pt percentage is ALMOST the league average, with a 6.2 to 2.6 assist to turnover ratio. He has attitude and team issues, he shuts down on defense and loses interest regularly.

I'm really not a fan. I liked him his first year, then started to see his ego get the best of him. NOT SAYING he can't get better though. At this point I'd be pretty upset if we traded Monroe for him.

...Jennings and Smith or Kyrie? In a hummingbird's heartbeat I would.

Yep, and your sentiment is often shared around the net as well. I also think Kyrie is just not ready for primetime and is overrated right now. He definitely has the tools and craftiness to be a great player, but now is not the time to treat him similarly to Lebron no matter if they were both 1st picks and started their careers in CLE.

The way CLE handled everything, from tanking, draft busts, and hiring Brown (Who clearly can't coach nor utilize his players to full extent) again, ruined every sort of rebuild effort in my eyes. CLE is probably the worst case scenario in tanking.

[Defor]

I want nothing to do with Kyrie the guy can't stay on the floor he's had injuries every year including colledge.On top of that he play's lousy defense,not saying Jenning's is anything thing to write home about.Were not anywhere near where we should be ,Dumars has really screwed us up , but I'd still take this roster over Clevelands in a heartbeat.

[Dre Drummond]

Kyrie is certainly overrated in the superstar category... but if it only cost us Monroe + Stuckey(or Jennings) to land him we'd be stupid not to.

And I actually really like Monroe and think he could excel in the right situation and be a 18 and 10 kind of big and be an all-star on the right team.... But Kyrie in the right situation could be very good too.... a top 4 or 5 PG in the league.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Kyrie is certainly overrated in the superstar category... but if it only cost us Monroe + Stuckey(or Jennings) to land him we'd be stupid not to.

And I actually really like Monroe and think he could excel in the right situation and be a 18 and 10 kind of big and be an all-star on the right team.... But Kyrie in the right situation could be very good too.... a top 4 or 5 PG in the league.

Without Smith, I am pretty sure Monroe could be a 18 and 10 guy right now. Last year as the only real big starting he was a 16 and 9.6 guy.

Kyrie is overrated all around, not just as a superstar. People gave him wayyyy too much glory as the savior of Ohio when he came out of the draft, and it got to his head. It'll take him a while to level out, and I don't feel like waiting for that when we have a consistent, never injured, efficient big only 2 years older right now.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Kyrie is certainly overrated in the superstar category... but if it only cost us Monroe + Stuckey(or Jennings) to land him we'd be stupid not to.

And I actually really like Monroe and think he could excel in the right situation and be a 18 and 10 kind of big and be an all-star on the right team.... But Kyrie in the right situation could be very good too.... a top 4 or 5 PG in the league.

Without Smith, I am pretty sure Monroe could be a 18 and 10 guy right now. Last year as the only real big starting he was a 16 and 9.6 guy.

Kyrie is overrated all around, not just as a superstar. People gave him wayyyy too much glory as the savior of Ohio when he came out of the draft, and it got to his head. It'll take him a while to level out, and I don't feel like waiting for that when we have a consistent, never injured, efficient big only 2 years older right now.

Eh, let me caveat. That sounded harsh. I DO NOT think Kyrie is bad at the professional sport of basketball. I think its LUDICROUS that people casually throw around max contract when they talk about him. I don't think Moose deserves a max either, but I'd happily pay for Moose to get a max over Kyrie 100000000 times over.

[pistontr]

but we don't try too. we should not beat orlando or charlotte.

spurs would trade their pick for monroe, or houston would trade their pick for smith. if we do that we can get one of wiggins, paker or exum.

[MotownMadness]

Kyrie is certainly overrated in the superstar category... but if it only cost us Monroe + Stuckey(or Jennings) to land him we'd be stupid not to.

And I actually really like Monroe and think he could excel in the right situation and be a 18 and 10 kind of big and be an all-star on the right team.... But Kyrie in the right situation could be very good too.... a top 4 or 5 PG in the league.

This

[AngryPistonsGuy]

but we don't try too. we should not beat orlando or charlotte.

spurs would trade their pick for monroe, or houston would trade their pick for smith. if we do that we can get one of wiggins, paker or exum.

I may be reading this incorrectly (easy to do), but are you implying that we could use the Spurs or Houston picks to obtain a top 3 talent?

If so, I implore you to google how the draft works.