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Abbot & Thorpe NAILED it on their discussion, basically what some of us have been saying since last Summer.

I'm liking the idea of surrounding shooter with Dre more and more as time goes on. Monroe is solid and arguably our most consistent guy in terms of scoring, but if we can replicate what ORL did by surrounding Dre with shooters during the Howard era, that can probably take us close to their success (ie reaching the finals).

Too bad we had some pieces to try that experiment this year (albiet a poor man's version likely) had we kept Knight and KMid.

Yes, he is.

I'm happy I was lame enough to watch all of Andre's rookie year... It has been clear since before the All-Star break last year that he had superstar potential... Now he very well might average 13+ppg, 13+rpg, 1.0+spg,1.5+bpg on 60+% shooting in his sophomore year.

Here he is at only 20 years old and he just needs to average 5 more points per game to statistically be the best center in the league...

treefi wrote:Yes, he is.

I'm happy I was lame enough to watch all of Andre's rookie year... It has been clear since before the All-Star break last year that he had superstar potential... Now he very well might average 13+ppg, 13+rpg, 1.0+spg,1.5+bpg on 60+% shooting in his sophomore year.

Here he is at only 20 years old and he just needs to average 5 more points per game to statistically be the best center in the league...

I agree- and he could easily find those extra points by 1) shooting free throw better and 2) having a team that looks to get him involved more on offense.

His BPG stat is a touch concerning though. I think we all anticipated his blocks to appropriately increase with more minutes, which hasn't been the case.

We need to tank! We need to tank hard! If we're not the bottom 5 in the Draft, I say we trade Monroe and our pick to get to the top 3 picks and get Wiggins or Parker. It's either that or pick up Smart and trade jennings and Monroe for a very good SF some where out there. I would honestly try to draft Smart and trade Jennings and Monroe for a Lottery pick and get Wiggins or Parker. I don't think the Pistons will try to lose this season. I think they'll lose and lose and lose some more. I'm not worried about if we're going to tank or not. I see a big failure this March and beyond. I'm expecting a draft pick this Draft.

ImHeisenberg wrote:

treefi wrote:Yes, he is.

I'm happy I was lame enough to watch all of Andre's rookie year... It has been clear since before the All-Star break last year that he had superstar potential... Now he very well might average 13+ppg, 13+rpg, 1.0+spg,1.5+bpg on 60+% shooting in his sophomore year.

Here he is at only 20 years old and he just needs to average 5 more points per game to statistically be the best center in the league...

I agree- and he could easily find those extra points by 1) shooting free throw better and 2) having a team that looks to get him involved more on offense.

His BPG stat is a touch concerning though. I think we all anticipated his blocks to appropriately increase with more minutes, which hasn't been the case.

He got off to a slow start as far as blocks go for the first few months. Since then though he seems to be 2-2.5 bpg center. He's still 9th in bpg and 8th in blk%. He's also 1st in reb% now.

Yeah, Drummond's blocks per game have gone up in the past few months, we must remember how crappy Monroe & Smith are on d so Drummond has to over extend himself a lot, no doubt he is an elite shot blocker already at only 20.

MotownMadness wrote:

ImHeisenberg wrote:

treefi wrote:Yes, he is.

I'm happy I was lame enough to watch all of Andre's rookie year... It has been clear since before the All-Star break last year that he had superstar potential... Now he very well might average 13+ppg, 13+rpg, 1.0+spg,1.5+bpg on 60+% shooting in his sophomore year.

Here he is at only 20 years old and he just needs to average 5 more points per game to statistically be the best center in the league...

I agree- and he could easily find those extra points by 1) shooting free throw better and 2) having a team that looks to get him involved more on offense.

His BPG stat is a touch concerning though. I think we all anticipated his blocks to appropriately increase with more minutes, which hasn't been the case.

He got off to a slow start as far as blocks go for the first few months. Since then though he seems to be 2-2.5 bpg center. He's still 9th in bpg and 8th in blk%. He's also 1st in reb% now.

He's also 6th in total blocks too. Nothing to be concerned at all about Drummond's shotblocking. Those are excellent rankings for a 20 yr old Center.

Also need to remember that all his minutes last year came with CV next to him, meaning he had the paint all to himself, so every block opportunity was all for him. This year he's playing the majority of his minutes with at least 1-2 other bigs in the paint at all times, so less opportunities for him to get blocks.

His block % last year ranked him 5th in the league. This year he's 8th. So it really hasn't been that much of a difference.

Clarity wrote:Yeah, Drummond's blocks per game have gone up in the past few months, we must remember how crappy Monroe & Smith are on d so Drummond has to over extend himself a lot, no doubt he is an elite shot blocker already at only 20.

Absolute validity in your statement, Clarity.

That's why I cautiously stated a "touch concerned". I believe it's unrealistic the expect a 20 year old center to be Ben Wallace Jr by his second season on this team, now on his THIRD coach.

On the flip side- Anthony Davis is a shot blocking machine, but it's not as if that's translated to winning basketball anyways.

ImHeisenberg wrote:

Clarity wrote:Yeah, Drummond's blocks per game have gone up in the past few months, we must remember how crappy Monroe & Smith are on d so Drummond has to over extend himself a lot, no doubt he is an elite shot blocker already at only 20.

Absolute validity in your statement, Clarity.

That's why I cautiously stated a "touch concerned". I believe it's unrealistic the expect a 20 year old center to be Ben Wallace Jr by his second season on this team, now on his THIRD coach.

On the flip side- Anthony Davis is a shot blocking machine, but it's not as if that's translated to winning basketball anyways.

Drummonds main area of improvement on D should be to stop biting for headfakes, he needs to know when to stay down and anthony davis is better at this

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ImHeisenberg wrote:

Clarity wrote:Yeah, Drummond's blocks per game have gone up in the past few months, we must remember how crappy Monroe & Smith are on d so Drummond has to over extend himself a lot, no doubt he is an elite shot blocker already at only 20.

Absolute validity in your statement, Clarity.

That's why I cautiously stated a "touch concerned". I believe it's unrealistic the expect a 20 year old center to be Ben Wallace Jr by his second season on this team, now on his THIRD coach.

On the flip side- Anthony Davis is a shot blocking machine, but it's not as if that's translated to winning basketball anyways.

Anthony Davis is very impressive. I think it's mostly due to him being a PG most of his life and just hit a huge growth spurt out of nowhere. Davis is going to be a for sure superstar.

Drummond's great. I think he'll be a platinum high-end Ben Wallace. I don't know if that's a star, but I do know he'll receive a couple of max contracts if he stays healthy.

ImHeisenberg wrote:

Clarity wrote:Yeah, Drummond's blocks per game have gone up in the past few months, we must remember how crappy Monroe & Smith are on d so Drummond has to over extend himself a lot, no doubt he is an elite shot blocker already at only 20.

Absolute validity in your statement, Clarity.

That's why I cautiously stated a "touch concerned". I believe it's unrealistic the expect a 20 year old center to be Ben Wallace Jr by his second season on this team, now on his THIRD coach.

On the flip side- Anthony Davis is a shot blocking machine, but it's not as if that's translated to winning basketball anyways.

well said bro, completely agree.

btw, saw your PM, havent been near a comp all day to copy & paste, will shoot to you when I get a chance.

Clarity wrote:

ImHeisenberg wrote:

Clarity wrote:Yeah, Drummond's blocks per game have gone up in the past few months, we must remember how crappy Monroe & Smith are on d so Drummond has to over extend himself a lot, no doubt he is an elite shot blocker already at only 20.

Absolute validity in your statement, Clarity.

That's why I cautiously stated a "touch concerned". I believe it's unrealistic the expect a 20 year old center to be Ben Wallace Jr by his second season on this team, now on his THIRD coach.

On the flip side- Anthony Davis is a shot blocking machine, but it's not as if that's translated to winning basketball anyways.

well said bro, completely agree.

btw, saw your PM, havent been near a comp all day to copy & paste, will shoot to you when I get a chance.

That would be much appreciated, Clarity. Thank you.

Not to be a doomsayer, but if they don't get this Owner/GM crap straightened out pretty quick, we're going to have another Grant Hill situation here with Drummond. I wouldn't stay here if I was him if the situation doesn't change.

Help me out here, folks. Why does Drummond have a far worse +/- than both Smith and Monroe?

imagump1313 wrote:Not to be a doomsayer, but if they don't get this Owner/GM crap straightened out pretty quick, we're going to have another Grant Hill situation here with Drummond. I wouldn't stay here if I was him if the situation doesn't change.

Grant didnt force his way out,he just couldnt get healthy again when he got hurt (and has alluded to it being our fault) so we traded him to the magic for big ben.But I know what your getting at.Thats 1 of the things I like about dre,he was raised right and seems to have alot of loyalty,but that will only go so far,if we cant put him in a position to win after his 1st contract he will probably walk the next.




What I find funny is all those people on the GB making those dre vs val threads and saying we were over hyping dre and val will be the much better player this season.Their main point was dre couldnt shoot ft and val has a more complete game,so there was no way dre would avg over 10-8 a game.Matter of fact iam going to go find those old posts and reread them for a good laugh.lol

Ruzious wrote:Help me out here, folks. Why does Drummond have a far worse +/- than both Smith and Monroe?

Because the devil is a lie! Rooozzzaaayyyyy

imagump1313 wrote:Not to be a doomsayer, but if they don't get this Owner/GM crap straightened out pretty quick, we're going to have another Grant Hill situation here with Drummond. I wouldn't stay here if I was him if the situation doesn't change.

luckily we have a few more years on his rookie deal & then we will match but it should be a legit concern. If I was Drummonds agent I would be livid with Detroit for stunting his growth with the dip ****. This kid is improving by the day, focus should be solely on him.

Neptune wrote:Drummond's great. I think he'll be a platinum high-end Ben Wallace. I don't know if that's a star, but I do know he'll receive a couple of max contracts if he stays healthy.

Thats defensively, he has most dominant player in the NBA potential on the other side of the ball.

He has DPOY/MVP candidate potential.

Ruzious wrote:Help me out here, folks. Why does Drummond have a far worse +/- than both Smith and Monroe?

because stats always tell the entire story.

kurtis48239 wrote:

imagump1313 wrote:Not to be a doomsayer, but if they don't get this Owner/GM crap straightened out pretty quick, we're going to have another Grant Hill situation here with Drummond. I wouldn't stay here if I was him if the situation doesn't change.

Grant didnt force his way out,he just couldnt get healthy again when he got hurt (and has alluded to it being our fault) so we traded him to the magic for big ben.But I know what your getting at.Thats 1 of the things I like about dre,he was raised right and seems to have alot of loyalty,but that will only go so far,if we cant put him in a position to win after his 1st contract he will probably walk the next.




What I find funny is all those people on the GB making those dre vs val threads and saying we were over hyping dre and val will be the much better player this season.Their main point was dre couldnt shoot ft and val has a more complete game,so there was no way dre would avg over 10-8 a game.Matter of fact iam going to go find those old posts and reread them for a good laugh.lol

Toronto fans always cracked me up the way they talk about Drummonds offensive limitations, While talking all high about Vals offensive skillset. Yet Drummond can easily score more points because hes more physical and polished around the basket. The Val vs Drummond is not even a debate anymore. Val looks like a average center at best while Drummonds really starting to look like a star.