I don't trust this team to tank

DCintheD · Post #1 » by **DCintheD** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 4:18 am

With Atl blowing almost as bad as we are, I think we still have a chance to get the 8th seed, pretty pathetic. So why not mess with the starting lineup a bit? I don't understand coach's being stubborn and sticking with the same starting group game in game out especially when it's proving not to work.

Bynum, Jennings
KCP, Stuckey
Singler, Jerebko
Smith, Monroe
Drummond, Monroe

Lets roll these guys out there and see what happens. I don't think we're getting a draft pick no matter what happens. Teams are strategically tanking and we never go that route. Lets make the damn playoffs! We can't be this bad can we? We need an attitude adjustment. 2 years ago we went .500 in the 2nd half of the season with Maxiell and rookie Knight starting. No reason these guys can't gain 3 games on a team trying to tank.

ComboGuardCity · Post #2 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 4:21 am

I think we need to all realize the Knicks are playing at an all time low level. They are playing Philly bad right now...and it took a spirited second half to beat them. We're not watching a good product on the floor right now.I'm still aboard the tank.

Post #3 » by **Snakebites** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 4:33 am

You shouldn't trust us to tank, because we won't.

We'll win a hair under 40% of our remaining games and probably stay near the same spot we're in now. Nobody below us is playing well enough to make a convincing push even with as bad as we are.

Post #4 » by **dVs33** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 4:46 am

Anyone who legitimately thinks we are "tanking" is delusional.
We are a bad team trying to win.
We're "tanking" because we suck, not by design.

Q00 · Post #5 » by **Q00** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 4:58 am

We're 3 games out of 8th seed and 3 games out of 8th pick. It could go either way, but I agree with you, based on our history we will go on our meaningless late season win streak, but this year there's a good chance it actually gets us in the playoffs instead of just runing our draft positioning, because the East is so bad.

Atlanta looks no different than Philly and New York to me right now. They may not be getting dominated like those teams, but their record over the last dozen games is just as pathetic.

Considering we only have to pass 1 team in Atlanta to get the 8th seed (and we play them again this year), vs having to pass like 3-4 teams now to get the 8th pick, it just seems like there's a better chance of us ending up in the playoffs than keeping our pick at this point in time. Not that I agree with that plan, but it is what it is, and it just looks like that's the way this thing may be unfolding now.

Of course we could stay where we are and end up with neither, but if I had to guess I'd say its either going to be us staying where we are or playoffs. There's some serious tanking going on with other teams and with us now 11th in the lotto standings, its just not looking good in terms of getting 8th and keeping our pick.

The odds of Atlanta losing a bunch of games seems greater than the other tanking teams winning a bunch of games, I guess is how I'm looking at it.

ComboGuardCity · Post #6 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:02 am

Snakebites wrote:You shouldn't trust us to tank, because we won't.

We'll win a hair under 40% of our remaining games and probably stay near the same spot we're in now. Nobody below us is playing well enough to make a convincing push even with as bad as we are.

What are you basing this off of? We have a new owner. Winning one game against the Knicks doesn't change anything.

MotownMadness · Post #7 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:09 am

Well make the playoffs. I really wanted to tank it out but making the playoffs is probably going to happen because of how bad Atlanta is now. They only have two more wins and are on a bad losing streak. The only other team that will be fighting for it with us is Cleveland and their schedule is probably worse than ours.

Post #8 » by **dVs33** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:09 am

I honestly think we aren't going to end up with a playoff spot or lottery pick.

For months i thought "well maybe Smith can play the right way to win" and "maybe jennings can turn it around" but in reality and after watching hours and hours of horrible basketball, i realize that joe swung and missed.
this team has no structure and stability but still has the talent to scrape out a few wins. That all comes together as a team going absolutely no where.

As much as i hate it, Dumars needs to go. We need someone with a clear plan and vision for the teams future and not just band aid solutions.

MrBigShot · Post #9 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 6:08 am

Honestly, at this point I just want some direction.

A_dub06 · Post #10 » by **A_dub06** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 6:34 am

We are completely and utterly broken from an organisational perspective.

We have an owner who wants to win now without the right roster to command such, a foolish/scared GM that has season after season hurt us by assembling players that don't fit & hiring the wrong people and knucklehead players that don't realise how good they could be if they played team ball.

Dumars has ZERO incentive to tank as he will loose his job so he is trying to win, john loyer wants to win as I'm sure all assistants want the lead job and loosing only diminishes his chances and certain players are paid too much to be benched (aka smith).

As people have stated we are loosing because our team and direction suck not because we are deliberately doing it as we should. Gores at this point should say f*** it an tank as the chance of getting a star from this coming draft could help build a dynasty while making the playoff push will excite people for 4 games extra. We need to clean the house including owner

DCintheD · Post #11 » by **DCintheD** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 12:43 pm

^ those 4 extra games can go a long way into the development of Drummond and the young guys. Playoff experience, no matter how short, means alot more than losing deliberately for a fraction of a percentage chance at a top 3 pick. The chance of landing a superstar with the 8th pick in this draft is very slim.

I just hope this team can put something together and make a run for that final spot.

The Penguin · Post #12 » by **The Penguin** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 1:37 pm

We aren't keeping our pick this year. There's no way we are crashing the top 8 picks. Milwaukee, Philly, LAL and Orlando are uncatchable. Boston, Utah and Sacto are all shutdown tank candidates. NYK doesn't care whatsoever and New Orleans is decimated by injury. That's 9 teams right there. We can hope for lotto balls but jumping into the top 3 from the 10-12 range is unlikely at best.

I do think we'll make the 8 seed as I think there's more wins on our remaining schedule than for ATL.

I just hope Joe is gone and someone talks some sense into Gores. Two extra games worth of revenue is not worth topping our talent level off and treadmilling.

Post #13 » by **Snakebites** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 1:56 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:
Snakebites wrote:You shouldn't trust us to tank, because we won't.

We'll win a hair under 40% of our remaining games and probably stay near the same spot we're in now. Nobody below us is playing well enough to make a convincing push even with as bad as we are.

What are you basing this off of? We have a new owner. Winning one game against the Knicks doesn't change anything.

We have the same owner we had last year when we did not tank. Also the year before. We also are currently having similar fortunes to the last seasons. I agree that a win against the Knicks doesn't change anything, but I didn't think we were tanking before that.

There's nothing to base the contrary on. The ones convinced we are tanking or will tank are the ones with a weak case.

We just plain suck, and just plain sucking isn't enough given the state of the bottom of the league right now.

A_dub06 · Post #14 » by **A_dub06** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 2:03 pm

DCintheD wrote:^ those 4 extra games can go a long way into the development of Drummond and the young guys. Playoff experience, no matter how short, means alot more than losing deliberately for a fraction of a percentage chance at a top 3 pick. The chance of landing a superstar with the 8th pick in this draft is very slim.

I just hope this team can put something together and make a run for that final spot.

Look at the facts

We have cap space jammed up in or current squad and what we gain by ridding ourselves of Charlie and stuckey we will put back into Monroe and inevitably drummond is going to command the max.

Getting swept in the first round is not experience and if anything it will show our players how far off talent wise we are and how we will never get there.

Sure the eastern conference sucks this year but what happens next year when almost half the conference isn't tanking? So we push for the playoffs to make the 8 this season loosing our pick only to miss it next?

While I don't think we will land a star if we get the 8th pick, I still think we can land a very good starter and also the slim chance of moving into the 3 in this draft is more than enough enticing to miss out on 4 games. We're not landing any marquee free agents so the only way we can land a promising player without giving up some of our future is the draft.

I want to make the playoffs badly, I really do. But if it's at the expense of missing out on a good pick in a stellar draft for 4 games, how is that a good trade off?

Piston Pete · Post #15 » by **Piston Pete** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 2:25 pm

At this point, I don't trust this team to do ANYTHING well.

sfballa13 · Post #16 » by **sfballa13** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 4:25 pm

A_dub06 wrote:
DCintheD wrote:^ those 4 extra games can go a long way into the development of Drummond and the young guys. Playoff experience, no matter how short, means alot more than losing deliberately for a fraction of a percentage chance at a top 3 pick. The chance of landing a superstar with the 8th pick in this draft is very slim.

I just hope this team can put something together and make a run for that final spot.

Look at the facts

We have cap space jammed up in or current squad and what we gain by ridding ourselves of Charlie and stuckey we will put back into Monroe and inevitably drummond is going to command the max.

Getting swept in the first round is not experience and if anything it will show our players how far off talent wise we are and how we will never get there.

Sure the eastern conference sucks this year but what happens next year when almost half the conference isn't tanking? So we push for the playoffs to make the 8 this season loosing our pick only to miss it next?

While I don't think we will land a star if we get the 8th pick, I still think we can land a very good starter and also the slim chance of moving into the 3 in this draft is more than enough enticing to miss out on 4 games. We're not landing any marquee free agents so the only way we can land a promising player without giving up some of our future is the draft.

I want to make the playoffs badly, I really do. But if it's at the expense of missing out on a good pick in a stellar draft for 4 games, how is that a good trade off?

I was all about tanking a few weeks ago but finally came to my senses and I think alot of you should as well.

We arent going to be markedly better next year, in fact, we are probably going to be much worse as the new GM will try to remove Dumars' mistakes.

We have an even greater chance of getting a top 5 pick NEXT year than this year. Id rather the pick that goes to Charlotte be in the 9-15 range rather than 2-7 next year.

We make the playoffs, giving Drummond something to keep him positive for the summer months, give the Bobcats our pick, clean house in the offseason, and tank next year (which will happen esp if we get rid of most of our big contracts for trash --- aka the only way we can trade Smith / Jennings)

You think losing the 8th pick in the draft is a disaster? Imagine getting the 8th pick this year, still sucking next year, and giving up a top 3-5 pick to the Bobcats next season. That will set us back far more than losing the 8th pick in a draft.

BadMofoPimp · Post #17 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 4:48 pm

Personally, I don't think any draft Pick will be key to this teams long term success at this point. I mean, what the hell is another pick 8-10 really going to do?

ChipButty · Post #18 » by **ChipButty** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:04 pm

Piston Pete wrote:At this point, I don't trust this team to do ANYTHING well.

ComboGuardCity · Post #19 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:10 pm

Snakebites wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:
Snakebites wrote:You shouldn't trust us to tank, because we won't.

We'll win a hair under 40% of our remaining games and probably stay near the same spot we're in now. Nobody below us is playing well enough to make a convincing push even with as bad as we are.

What are you basing this off of? We have a new owner. Winning one game against the Knicks doesn't change anything.

We have the same owner we had last year when we did not tank. Also the year before. We also are currently having similar fortunes to the last seasons. I agree that a win against the Knicks doesn't change anything, but I didn't think we were tanking before that.

There's nothing to base the contrary on. The ones convinced we are tanking or will tank are the ones with a weak case.

We just plain suck, and just plain sucking isn't enough given the state of the bottom of the league right now.

There was absolutely no reason to tank last year. The draft was that weak. Everybody knew it and nobody was actively tanking last year. The fact that we held onto our useless expirings instead of giving the sixers cap relief to bolster our bench for this season, tells me playoffs or bust no longer exists. Even if joe is a lame duck, I'm sure Gores has guys he could entrust to make some low risk moves.

ChipButty · Post #20 » by **ChipButty** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:14 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Personally, I don't think any draft Pick will be key to this teams long term success at this point. I mean, what the hell is another pick 8-10 really going to do?

It would have to be the #8 pick. A top #8 pick would arguably be our second best asset and open up a lot of options. For example, what could a package of Moose and a top 8 pick net us?

Unfortunately, I agree that we are probably more likely to sneak into the playoffs.