Giving up a draft pick this year versus next

[theBigLip]

There have been some comments that we might be better to give up our pick to Charlotte this year because we might really suck next year and be giving up a top 5 pick next year. I was almost buying into it, although if we get a good coach and tweak our roster a bit, we really should be a playoff team next year. Regardless, I just read an article by Chad Ford that discussed the impact of a likely higher age limit to be implemented in next year's draft and we really, really need to keep our pick this year. Per Chad:

With all the top freshmen bolting for the NBA this year, and with no freshmen to come in and replace them in the draft pool, the 2015 draft would be filled with players who essentially couldn't cut it in the 2014 draft.

For teams that are in the rebuilding process at the moment, it would mean a historically weak draft that would be potentially devastating to the teams with high lottery picks -- essentially punishing teams near the top of the draft with marginal choices.

[sc8581]

We want this years pick, period.

[MotownMadness]

Give me it now.

[vic]

Gotta be this year. Only strong SF I see coming out next year is Stanley Johnson. Best pg ( not sure) is Tyus jones.
Not interested.

No comparison. Even with about 5 extra freshman/overseas guys that usually step up, there's no comparison to the depth of quality players in 2014.

The age limit threat makes it even more dangerous...

[ComboGuardCity]

We gotta hope embiid and Parker come out and give this pool top heavy depth.

We're not tanking next year. Gores isn't going to let the franchise die.

[ChipButty]

I definitely prefer keeping the pick this year. It almost makes up for the pain and suffering of everything we have been forced to witness this year.

That said, I do think that the success/failure of this years tank could affect our direction going forward. I think keeping the pick makes drafting a PG or PF and trading Moose for a young asset and pick in the 2015 draft a more viable option.

If we don't have a pick this year, I think it increases the chances of us blowing it up and trading Smith for any garbage that other teams are willing to offer and running with the youth in 14/15, knowing we have a good pick in the draft to look forward to.

[pistontr]

next year our pick is top one protected.

[pistontr]

by the way is twitter broken right now?

[BadMofoPimp]

I am starting to think this years draft is overrated while it is mostly just media generated hype. I don't really see any "Superstars." If this team really wants another KCP that badly, then go for it. But, a true Talent Evaluating GM can pick up a KCP any year via picks 15-30 also.

[Finn McCool]

We have become a generation that is always looking for immediate gratification. There have been whispers that Parker and Embiid are debating whether or not to stay in school. You have to bet right. We are continuing to lose games, while those with worse records keep us at #10 pre-Lottery. I'd love our pick. One of dumbest decisions Dumars has ever made to trade a 1st round pick to secure the departure of another horrendous decision. Honestly though, I knew we needed 3pt. shooting back then, and so did Joe. We still need it, unfortunately. I'd rather the pick go out the door with Dumars. Let it always be attached to him.

[Kilo]

All the big names will come out this year because Lakers, Boston, Philly, Orlando all have high picks. Sure you could end up in Milwaukee - but that's where Wiggins will go.

[rock digger]

Literally every year except this year's has been called a "historically weak" draft, the notion that next year will be historically weak means almost nothing to me. Coming into this season, this draft was supposed to be the greatest draft since 2003, but as the season has worn on it is clear that it was vastly overhyped. Also, the notion that the top players in next year's draft have to be freshman for it to be good is silly. Blake Griffin was a sophomore who got drafted #1 in what turned out to be one of the better drafts in the decade (the three best players of that draft were all non-freshman - Curry, Harden, and Griffin). The argument Ford is using makes it sound like those 3 couldn't make it in the 2008 draft (which was good in itself) and therefore the 2009 draft would be weak, which it clearly wasn't.

Also, I don't follow high school basketball much, but I'm pretty sure I saw an article in the wiretap earlier this year saying that Jahlil Okafor was supposed to be the next Hakeem or something like that. This is just bad journalism, in my opinion.

I'm kind of neutral on whether or not I want the pick this year. There is an extremely high possibility that we are going to be even worse next year and that's when we would want to keep our pick, however, having a draft pick usually leads to a team getting better anyhow.

[BadMofoPimp]

I'm kind of neutral on whether or not I want the pick this year. There is an extremely high possibility that we are going to be even worse next year and that's when we would want to keep our pick, however, having a draft pick usually leads to a team getting better anyhow.

FYI. Pistons are not going to win the lotto and if they keep their pick, will most likely pick about 8th. And, if you really want another Knight or KCP, then they won't lead the team to getting any better at this juncture.

[rock digger]

I'm kind of neutral on whether or not I want the pick this year. There is an extremely high possibility that we are going to be even worse next year and that's when we would want to keep our pick, however, having a draft pick usually leads to a team getting better anyhow.

FYI. Pistons are not going to win the lotto and if they keep their pick, will most likely pick about 8th. And, if you really want another Knight or KCP, then they won't lead the team to getting any better at this juncture.

I realize that but at the same point, in both of those years a starting caliber player was drafted immediately after we made our pick. Kemba in Knight's year and Burke this year. Those two players do make their team better, and we did draft our best player with the 9th pick overall. I agree that getting a great player is a long shot, however it is not unreasonable to assume that the #8-10 pick from this year's draft class will help our team improve next season, especially considering how bad we are this season.

[BadMofoPimp]

I'm kind of neutral on whether or not I want the pick this year. There is an extremely high possibility that we are going to be even worse next year and that's when we would want to keep our pick, however, having a draft pick usually leads to a team getting better anyhow.

FYI. Pistons are not going to win the lotto and if they keep their pick, will most likely pick about 8th. And, if you really want another Knight or KCP, then they won't lead the team to getting any better at this juncture.

I realize that but at the same point, in both of those years a starting caliber player was drafted immediately after we made our pick. Kemba in Knight's year and Burke this year. Those two players do make their team better, and we did draft our best player with the 9th pick overall. I agree that getting a great player is a long shot, however it is not unreasonable to assume that the #8-10 pick from this year's draft class will help our team improve next season, especially considering how bad we are this season.

It is a crapshoot. Regardless, you could get a Kemba Walker with the 15th pick too. You can't say that you will get one if you keep your pick this year or just pick next year. A solid GM could make something out of nothing by making wise selections and smart FA signings and trades. Joe, unfortunately as a former big supporter, has failed on all fronts.

What I do know is that the Pistons will not obtain a Game Changer in this years or next years draft, so why tank if you can get the same exact objective while winning?

[dVs33]

there's a chance we could get Hollins as coach next season and there's also a possibility that Msith gets trading this offseason, so if either of those things happen we're going to be much better next season. I vote we try and keep this years pick.

[ComboGuardCity]

I'm kind of neutral on whether or not I want the pick this year. There is an extremely high possibility that we are going to be even worse next year and that's when we would want to keep our pick, however, having a draft pick usually leads to a team getting better anyhow.

FYI. Pistons are not going to win the lotto and if they keep their pick, will most likely pick about 8th. And, if you really want another Knight or KCP, then they won't lead the team to getting any better at this juncture.

FYI Andre Drummond was the 9th pick. FYI Paul George wasn't picked top 8. Neither was Amare. Nor Granger. Not pierce. I'm not saying a top 3 pick isn't ideal, but to say we might as well give up the pick this year and hope to be bad next year is straight up stupid.

Think of this, oladipio wouldn't go until #8 if he was in this years draft. Are you saying you don't want him?

[rock digger]

FYI. Pistons are not going to win the lotto and if they keep their pick, will most likely pick about 8th. And, if you really want another Knight or KCP, then they won't lead the team to getting any better at this juncture.

I realize that but at the same point, in both of those years a starting caliber player was drafted immediately after we made our pick. Kemba in Knight's year and Burke this year. Those two players do make their team better, and we did draft our best player with the 9th pick overall. I agree that getting a great player is a long shot, however it is not unreasonable to assume that the #8-10 pick from this year's draft class will help our team improve next season, especially considering how bad we are this season.

It is a crapshoot. Regardless, you could get a Kemba Walker with the 15th pick too. You can't say that you will get one if you keep your pick this year or just pick next year. A solid GM could make something out of nothing by making wise selections and smart FA signings and trades. Joe, unfortunately as a former big supporter, has failed on all fronts.

What I do know is that the Pistons will not obtain a Game Changer in this years or next years draft, so why tank if you can get the same exact objective while winning?

I'm not too sure what you're arguing here. All I said was that a pick from #8-10 would increase our chance of winning more games in the next year. You on the other hand are talking about the draft not mattering for us in the next 2 years and questioning a tank. There is no tank present, today or next year, we're a bad team that's trying to win games but can't.

[BadMofoPimp]

I realize that but at the same point, in both of those years a starting caliber player was drafted immediately after we made our pick. Kemba in Knight's year and Burke this year. Those two players do make their team better, and we did draft our best player with the 9th pick overall. I agree that getting a great player is a long shot, however it is not unreasonable to assume that the #8-10 pick from this year's draft class will help our team improve next season, especially considering how bad we are this season.

It is a crapshoot. Regardless, you could get a Kemba Walker with the 15th pick too. You can't say that you will get one if you keep your pick this year or just pick next year. A solid GM could make something out of nothing by making wise selections and smart FA signings and trades. Joe, unfortunately as a former big supporter, has failed on all fronts.

What I do know is that the Pistons will not obtain a Game Changer in this years or next years draft, so why tank if you can get the same exact objective while winning?

I'm not too sure what you're arguing here. All I said was that a pick from #8-10 would increase our chance of winning more games in the next year. You on the other hand are talking about the draft not mattering for us in the next 2 years and questioning a tank. There is no tank present, today or next year, we're a bad team that's trying to win games but can't.

If you are debating adding another KCP will produce wins next year, you are arguing on deaf ears. At this point and juncture, no draft pick are going to change this around and most likely, just another young kid like KCP riding the bench.

The only thing that can help this team at this juncture are:

1) Top Knotch Coach
2) Trade of either Josh or Jennings or trade both
3) Trade KCP and whatever other Asset to get a top line SG which could create a better starting lineup.

[theBigLip]

The argument Ford is using makes it sound like those 3 couldn't make it in the 2008 draft (which was good in itself) and therefore the 2009 draft would be weak, which it clearly wasn't.

I think it is more along the line of thinking that there will be no good sophomores, since the best freshmen are leaving this year. That is guaranteed to have an impact on next year's draft.