what about trading down in the draft?

[jakebernat]

it's very possible that we could be drafting outside of the more talented tier of players. with that in mind, we should keep all possibilities open, especially trading down. since we seem to be (re)committed to the drumroe frontcourt, here's an idea i came up with:
our pick (8th overall?) to the suns for the 14th pick and the 18th pick. the suns are said to be looking to add a power forward, so they'd be in prime position to draft one of either vonleh, gordon, or possibly randle. we, on the other hand, would be able to draft ennis, a true PG who would get moose and drummond in perfect positions to score, and maybe even a great shooter like stauskas/harris/hood

[MotownMadness]

That would probably be a good scenario for us if we cant get Smart or nobody else falls that we need.

[jakebernat]

That would probably be a good scenario for us if we cant get Smart or nobody else falls that we need.

unless we make a leap of faith to the 6th pick, i don't see a scenario where smart falls to us. i guess we could trade up to get him, but that's even trickier and probably unlikely.

[MotownMadness]

That would probably be a good scenario for us if we cant get Smart or nobody else falls that we need.

unless we make a leap of faith to the 6th pick, i don't see a scenario where smart falls to us. i guess we could trade up to get him, but that's even trickier and probably unlikely.

Never know

[ImHeisenberg]

Detroit has to have a pick before they can consider trading down from it.

But, who knows how it will break? Obviously, we would have been better off trading down with Utah last June. Hindsight is always 20/20 though.

[Notanoob]

I actually was asking Suns fans about this. Thread: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1310858&p=39027682

Two guys were willing to give us their pick, the Wizard's pick, and Indiana's for our pick if we keep it. That would be a dream scenario. The best prospect around our pick are mostly big guys who we don't need (Vonleh, Gordon, Randle), so we could theoretically trade back and land some nice pieces. Currently those picks are #'s 14, 17 and 29.

[Sheeeeed]

The problem with having multiple 1sts in the middle of the draft it usually results in riskier picks, or a question trades in hindsight. T-Wolves, and Thunder have tried this the last few years, and they have little to show for it. The Rockets did good though, because they gave up Lamb and Toronto's 1st for Harden. Though Royce was a terrible pick, and Jones isn't anything special.

[Notanoob]

That's true, but I don't particularly like the prospects likely to be available at our pick (or at least the guys currently expected to go there) outside of Vonleh, but we already have a ton of power forwards. I'd rather trade down and take a shot at a couple wing prospects who are expected to go lower.

Hood can shoot and score very well, and is decent at getting his teammates looks. He's got the size for the position too, although he's skinny and probably won't be a good defender.

Kyle Anderson is got all sorts of things going for him-he's turned himself into a very good shooter, he's got the best A/TO ratio among wings and better than a number of PG prospects. He's the best defensive rebounder among SF prospects and near the top in steals too. He's smart, efficient, tall, and very long. Stronger and heavier than he looks too.

K.J. McDaniels is super-productive too. He's top among wings in blocks, 4th in rebounding and steals, 6th in points among all prospects and 8th in blocks among all prospects. He's a freak athlete, with a huge wingspan (nearly 7 feet when last measured). He's got a better stroke than his 3 point% indicates, and if he can get more easy looks (he's the center of attention at Clemson) and just quicken his release, he should be a serviceable shooter. He is very good at the line at least. His biggest problems are that he isn't a great passer (although he isn't selfish) and he's 21.

We could also land a designated shooter like Stauskas, or a SG to compete with Pope like Gary Harris.

[Clarity]

If we miss out on one of the elite prospects than that would make sense but not for multiple picks this year, want a future first. We are already young enough without 2 more rookies.

Just praying to the lord Joe moves aside the new GM comes in committed to Monroe & Drummond & we luck into that top 3.

[Laimbeer]

It's tricky because I see a drop off after seven.

Jabari Parker 6-8 235 SF Duke Fr.
Joel Embiid 7-0 250 C Kansas Fr.
Andrew Wiggins 6-8 200 SF Kansas Fr.
Marcus Smart 6-4 220 PG Oklahoma State So.
Dante Exum 6-6 188 PG/SG Australia Intl.
Noah Vonleh 6-10 240 PF Indiana Fr.
Julius Randle 6-9 250 PF Kentucky Fr.

If one of those guys is there I probably don't do it.

[Notanoob]

No chance that Parker, Embiid, Wiggins, or Exum are there barring major injuries or attitude issues. If they do somehow fall to us, then it's probably for a good reason.

Smart cannot shoot and is really a SG. Better Rodney Stuckey. I wouldn't be against drafting him if we just started him off at SG.

Vonleh and Randle are PFs, and we've already got way too many of those. I don't like Randle much either.

Phoenix is the most likely option, since they've got so many picks, and they could use a tough PF like Vonleh, Randle, or even take the likely fan favorite, Aaron Gordon from Arizona. One of those 3 is almost sure to be there, so if they are so inclined, and we are so lucky as to still have our pick this year, a trade down could happen.

I'm not going to count on it though.

[Damon_3388]

Jones isn't anything special.

Nah he's just a versatile, efficient power forward who is still just 22 years old and perfectly compliments an inside big man like Dwight Howard (or Andre Drummond).

[princeofpalace]

The NBA draft is not like the NFL, quantity is not better than quality. Id easily much rather have #8 than #14 and #18

[Q00]

I'm normally not into trading down, as it usually involves trading the best player in the deal for two lesser ones. In this draft though, there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference in talent between the 7-8 range and 9-15. So if they end up 7-8 again for the hundreth time, I might be into doing it this year if they can get like a mid-1st & late-1st out of the deal, and still get the same caliber perimeter player with the mid pick.

Watching that MSU game, Payne would look great next to Drummond. He's exactly the type of 3&D PF I want to pair with Dre. If they traded down they could probably get him in the late 1st and still get a great SG/SF with the other pick. Gary Harris perhaps?

That would be pretty cool though if they hired Izzo and ended up trading down for two 1st round picks and he drafted both Harris/Payne.

[Neptune]

our pick (8th overall?) to the suns for the 14th pick and the 18th pick.

No

[ImHeisenberg]

If we miss out on one of the elite prospects than that would make sense but not for multiple picks this year, want a future first. We are already young enough without 2 more rookies.

Just praying to the lord Joe moves aside the new GM comes in committed to Monroe & Drummond & we luck into that top 3.

That would be a near-dream scenario, Clarity. I'm sure Joe is gone, and there's a good chance Monroe is retained.

But a top 3 pick? That may be asking for too much.

[Sheeeeed]

Jones isn't anything special.

Nah he's just a versatile, efficient power forward who is still just 22 years old and perfectly compliments an inside big man like Dwight Howard (or Andre Drummond).

I didn't realize we're talking about Kevin Love here.

[Sheeeeed]

That's true, but I don't particularly like the prospects likely to be available at our pick (or at least the guys currently expected to go there) outside of Vonleh, but we already have a ton of power forwards. I'd rather trade down and take a shot at a couple wing prospects who are expected to go lower.

Hood can shoot and score very well, and is decent at getting his teammates looks. He's got the size for the position too, although he's skinny and probably won't be a good defender.

Kyle Anderson is got all sorts of things going for him-he's turned himself into a very good shooter, he's got the best A/TO ratio among wings and better than a number of PG prospects. He's the best defensive rebounder among SF prospects and near the top in steals too. He's smart, efficient, tall, and very long. Stronger and heavier than he looks too.

K.J. McDaniels is super-productive too. He's top among wings in blocks, 4th in rebounding and steals, 6th in points among all prospects and 8th in blocks among all prospects. He's a freak athlete, with a huge wingspan (nearly 7 feet when last measured). He's got a better stroke than his 3 point% indicates, and if he can get more easy looks (he's the center of attention at Clemson) and just quicken his release, he should be a serviceable shooter. He is very good at the line at least. His biggest problems are that he isn't a great passer (although he isn't selfish) and he's 21.

We could also land a designated shooter like Stauskas, or a SG to compete with Pope like Gary Harris.

The thing is though theres not going to be a whole lot minutes up grabs for the rookies if this team reminds close to the same now as it is now even with Stuckey and CV probably gone. Sure Harris might get a decent amount of minutes, but they might not be a whole lot minutes for a Anderson or McDaniels.

[RSCD3_]

It's tricky because I see a drop off after seven.

Jabari Parker 6-8 235 SF Duke Fr.
Joel Embiid 7-0 250 C Kansas Fr.
Andrew Wiggins 6-8 200 SF Kansas Fr.
Marcus Smart 6-4 220 PG Oklahoma State So.
Dante Exum 6-6 188 PG/SG Australia Intl.
Noah Vonleh 6-10 240 PF Indiana Fr.
Julius Randle 6-9 250 PF Kentucky Fr.

If one of those guys is there I probably don't do it.

I can see us drafting embiid (if we win the lottery) and trading monroe for a good 2 or 3 but why would we want randle or vonleh

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[Notanoob]

The thing is though theres not going to be a whole lot minutes up grabs for the rookies if this team reminds close to the same now as it is now even with Stuckey and CV probably gone. Sure Harris might get a decent amount of minutes, but they might not be a whole lot minutes for a Anderson or McDaniels.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lnlcc3x
If we pull this trade off, we'll have plenty of room in the rotation.
Jennings/Bynum
Caldwell-Pope
Dudley/Singler/Datome
Monroe/Ilyasova/Jerebko/Mitchell
Drummond/Harrleson
That's 12 guys with 4 draft picks. Stash a guy overseas or try to get rid of Jerebko/Datome.
Draft:
14 Gary Harris/Anderson
17 Kyle Anderson/McDaniels
29 Mitch McGary/Jordan Adams
38 Delon Wright