What are the constraints on trading Monroe?

Post #1 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Apr 3, 2014 11:42 pm

Does it have to be a sign and trade?

When can it occur?

ImHeisenberg · Post #2 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Thu Apr 3, 2014 11:47 pm

He can't be offered in any trade deals once the season ends as he's a free agent.

They can work a sign and trade with Monroe.

If they resign him outright, I am not sure if they would have to wait until November to trade him or not.

But, that's basically it. They sacrificed most of their trade leverage when the trade deadline passed.

Sheeeeed · Post #3 » by **Sheeeeed** » Thu Apr 3, 2014 11:53 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:He can't be offered in any trade deals once the season ends as he's a free agent.

They can work a sign and trade with Monroe.

If they resign him outright, I am not sure if they would have to wait until November to trade him or not.

But, that's basically it. They sacrificed most of their trade leverage when the trade deadline passed.

I think its in December.

Post #4 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 12:00 am

Ugh. We probably can't trade Smith. And it seems we need to spend training camp and the start of next season with the 3 headed monster again.

Need to hope for a sign and trade (or a miracle trade of Smith).

Defor · Post #5 » by **Defor** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 12:28 am

I'm hoping our new GM can pull a miracle trade with Smith , something along the lines of the Gay or Barganani trade. I know his contract is worse and he's such a knuckle head but a guy can hope.

Kilo · Post #6 » by **Kilo** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 12:39 am

If we were to trade him it would be a sign and trade most likely anyways - so whenever free-agency opens, in July I believe. And if a team tries to poach him, we match and can't trade him until December and then can be traded to any team but the team he signed the offer sheet to for a full year.

Neptune · Post #7 » by **Neptune** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 1:38 am

It's very unlikely we move Monroe. Dumars would be insane if he moved a talented 23yr big like Moose.

The Penguin · Post #8 » by **The Penguin** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 1:51 am

Neptune wrote:It's very unlikely we move Monroe. Dumars would be insane if he moved a talented 23yr big like Moose.

Dumars isn't going to be making any decisions

The Penguin · Post #9 » by **The Penguin** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 1:52 am

If he's in a S&T he can't be moved with any other players. I.e. we can't deal Smith & Monroe.

DCintheD · Post #10 » by **DCintheD** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 1:52 am

Smith to Sacramento for McCallum, Thompson, and Terry. Immediately after the season ends.

Jason Thompson needs a change of scenery and would be a nice big off the bench at a reasonable deal. Terry is a $5M expiring and I'd take Ray McCallum over Jennings any day.

If Smith can get his sh^t together and play within himself, he and Cousins can form a strong front court with Gay. Sacramento took a chance on Gay and his terrible deal, their owner likes to take risks and this would be worth it for them.

Then re-sign Monroe to no more than $12M a year and commit to the Monroe/Drummond tandem for atleast a year under a head coach that will do whatever it takes to make it work. Hollins is the popular choice but I'm curious as to why he doesn't have a job already.

The Penguin · Post #11 » by **The Penguin** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 1:55 am

DCintheD wrote:Smith to Sacramento for McCallum, Thompson, and Terry. Immediately after the season ends.

Jason Thompson needs a change of scenery and would be a nice big off the bench at a reasonable deal. Terry is a $5M expiring and I'd take Ray McCallum over Jennings any day.

If Smith can get his sh^t together and play within himself he and Cousins can form a strong front court with Gay. Sacramento took a chance on Gay and his terrible deal, their owner likes to take risks and this would be worth it for them.

Then re-sign Monroe to no more than $12M a year and commit to the Monroe/Drummond tandem for atleast a year under a head coach that will do whatever it takes to make it work. Hollins is the popular choice but I'm curious as to why he doesn't have a job already.

Cousins/Smith/Gay would be Dumars' wet dream.

Post #12 » by **dVs33** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 2:01 am

I'm of the thinking you don't trade Moose unless it's something amazing.
Even with smith on the roster, you can't just give away a 23yr old with Monroes talent. Smith can be traded, just need to be patient.
look at what the Raps got for Gay and he was sucking worse than Smith if that can be believed.

DCintheD · Post #13 » by **DCintheD** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 2:02 am

Piston Prince wrote:
DCintheD wrote:Smith to Sacramento for McCallum, Thompson, and Terry. Immediately after the season ends.

Jason Thompson needs a change of scenery and would be a nice big off the bench at a reasonable deal. Terry is a $5M expiring and I'd take Ray McCallum over Jennings any day.

If Smith can get his sh^t together and play within himself he and Cousins can form a strong front court with Gay. Sacramento took a chance on Gay and his terrible deal, their owner likes to take risks and this would be worth it for them.

Then re-sign Monroe to no more than $12M a year and commit to the Monroe/Drummond tandem for atleast a year under a head coach that will do whatever it takes to make it work. Hollins is the popular choice but I'm curious as to why he doesn't have a job already.

Cousins/Smith/Gay would be Dumars' wet dream.

btw remember when people thought Monroe was better than Cousins? Man... I rank Cousins up there behind Davis as one of the best young bigs in the league. Imagine if Sacramento drafted Drummond instead of the overhyped Robinson

The Penguin · Post #14 » by **The Penguin** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 2:13 am

dVs33 wrote:I'm of the thinking you don't trade Moose unless it's something amazing.
Even with smith on the roster, you can't just give away a 23yr old with Monroes talent. Smith can be traded, just need to be patient.
look at what the Raps got for Gay and he was sucking worse than Smith if that can be believed.

This is spot on. We simply can't let Monroe walk, even if it's a max deal. You can't let a 23 year old 7 footer whose established himself as a strong starter in the league walk for nothing. Smith has established himself in the league, I refuse to believe he's untradeable.

ImHeisenberg · Post #15 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 2:38 am

DCintheD wrote:Smith to Sacramento for McCallum, Thompson, and Terry. Immediately after the season ends.

Jason Thompson needs a change of scenery and would be a nice big off the bench at a reasonable deal. Terry is a $5M expiring and I'd take Ray McCallum over Jennings any day.

If Smith can get his sh^t together and play within himself, he and Cousins can form a strong front court with Gay. Sacramento took a chance on Gay and his terrible deal, their owner likes to take risks and this would be worth it for them.

Then re-sign Monroe to no more than $12M a year and commit to the Monroe/Drummond tandem for atleast a year under a head coach that will do whatever it takes to make it work. Hollins is the popular choice but I'm curious as to why he doesn't have a job already.

Love that plan, DC. I'd absolutely love that we brought McCallum back in the deal- as he would be our best PG.

win-win for Detroit, and I could actually see why Sacramento would pull the trigger on this deal as well.

Neptune · Post #16 » by **Neptune** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 2:46 am

Piston Prince wrote:
Neptune wrote:It's very unlikely we move Monroe. Dumars would be insane if he moved a talented 23yr big like Moose.

Dumars isn't going to be making any decisions

You might be right. Well, the only person we should trade Monroe for is Cousins. That's it, no if's, and's, or but's. If we're not trading Monroe for Cousins it only makes sense to re-sign Monroe to 4yr/52mil deal.

Minas · Post #17 » by **Minas** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:00 am

DCintheD wrote:Smith to Sacramento for McCallum, Thompson, and Terry. Immediately after the season ends.

Jason Thompson needs a change of scenery and would be a nice big off the bench at a reasonable deal. Terry is a $5M expiring and I'd take Ray McCallum over Jennings any day.

If Smith can get his sh^t together and play within himself, he and Cousins can form a strong front court with Gay. Sacramento took a chance on Gay and his terrible deal, their owner likes to take risks and this would be worth it for them.

Then re-sign Monroe to no more than $12M a year and commit to the Monroe/Drummond tandem for atleast a year under a head coach that will do whatever it takes to make it work. Hollins is the popular choice but I'm curious as to why he doesn't have a job already.

Apparently he's not very accepting of analytics

sc8581 · Post #18 » by **sc8581** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 9:17 am

If we keep Monroe we have to trade Drummond, they are both centers, one of them has to go.

Pharaoh · Post #19 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:23 am

sc8581 wrote:If we keep Monroe we have to trade Drummond, they are both centers, one of them has to go.

LMAO!

I'll be nice and say you are being foolish...or you're baiting people for fun.

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Manocad · Post #20 » by **Manocad** » Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:37 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
DCintheD wrote:Smith to Sacramento for McCallum, Thompson, and Terry. Immediately after the season ends.

Jason Thompson needs a change of scenery and would be a nice big off the bench at a reasonable deal. Terry is a $5M expiring and I'd take Ray McCallum over Jennings any day.

If Smith can get his sh^t together and play within himself, he and Cousins can form a strong front court with Gay. Sacramento took a chance on Gay and his terrible deal, their owner likes to take risks and this would be worth it for them.

Then re-sign Monroe to no more than $12M a year and commit to the Monroe/Drummond tandem for atleast a year under a head coach that will do whatever it takes to make it work. Hollins is the popular choice but I'm curious as to why he doesn't have a job already.

Love that plan, DC. I'd absolutely love that we brought McCallum back in the deal- as he would be our best PG.

win-win for Detroit, and I could actually see why Sacramento would pull the trigger on this deal as well.

I don't see Sacramento letting go of McCallum. He's been solid as hell and looks like a draft steal.