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Say we lose our pick and cant trade smith or jennings we just hire a new gm and a vet coach do we get better and get more wins

jennings/siva
kcp
smith/singler
monroe
drummond

Think about all the games we gave up in the forth quarter 15 at the most this team could have won 43 games with a good coach

-New PG or Jennings with a new pair off brains
-KCP
-Other SF via trade or FA
-Monroe
-Drummond

Smith off the bench

I mean, how can you say they wouldn't get better? KCP, Monroe, and Drummond would all have another offseason of development under them. The whole lineup would have had a year to be with each other. On top of that, I think that coaches don't get enough credit. If Detroit got a great one that knew what he was doing and could manage lineups and egos while implementing a system that worked, of course they would win some more games. Would the team really be that good though? No. They would be better... but it still wouldn't be good. Probably bottom playoff team if they got lucky and they would get swept by whoever was on top of the conference.

Also, you have to think just because they would get better doesn't mean other teams would stay the same. There are some problems that just can't be fixed that easily, the team would go through its struggles on defense and with spacing with these players.

Any roster with Josh 'you make me hate my life, not just basketball' Smith in it will fail.

i'm of the thinking that no matter what, one (or both) of either smith/monroe have to go. even if that's the only significant move we make, it simply has to happen.

Of course having a better coach makes the team better, but i don't think it'll make us good.
Smith just doesn't work.

A team with Josh Smith & Brandon Jennings as the top 2 options ceiling is around the 8th pick in the draft.

Lionel Hollins may be the first coach to actually bench Josh Smith for his foolishness but that would create a toxic locker room because of his inability to accept blame for his faults (ie the comments this week).

So really, no win until these 2 are gone. Luckily we can hope our new GM isnt from the Dumars tree because everyone in the world aside from Dumars, Q00, Kurtis & Neptune understand the problem.

If they came back with essentially the same pieces, with Stuckey being gone.

I think a good coach can get this team to the playoffs in the east. The coaching staff would have to have an offensive and defensive system the players can buy into. Unfortunately, with morons like Smith and Jennings, they can't incorporate anything that requires much thinking and reacting, as those aren't two strong suits for those guys. (So, no Spurs read/react system, or triangle offense).

But, the east will still generally suck next year, so a decent team can still go through picking up easy wins like the Bobcats did this year.

Then again, they could hire another also-ran coach and just as easily have another terrible year where we are nearly guaranteed to lose our pick to Charlotte as well.

We need to make a couple of small changes if we plan to see progress next season. We'll be a competitive team if we get a 2-guard who helps initiate plays, get a 3&D SF, and get a good coach. I really like Kyle O'quinn too, so hopefully he's on our summer list.

Coach: Hollins

Jennings/Siva
2-guard who helps run plays/KCP
Smith/3&D guy
Monroe/Smith
Drummond/Monroe/O'quinn

Neptune wrote:We'll be a competitive team if we get a 2-guard who helps initiate plays, get a 3&D SF, and get a good coach.

Coach: Hollins

Jennings/Siva
2-guard who helps run plays/KCP
Smith/3&D guy
Monroe/Smith
Drummond/Monroe

One of the bigs if one is not traded will have to come off the bench to be successful. The trio has statistically proven they are the worst trio in basketball.

MotownMadness wrote:One of the bigs if one is not traded will have to come off the bench to be successful. The trio has statistically proven they are the worst trio in basketball.

Motown if we get a good coach here and our big 3 still doesn't work within the first 20 games, I'll surely come around to your way of thinking. I recognize that our team may not look splendid from a statistically stand point. But before I throw in the towel, I want to give this squad an opportunity to play for a respectable coach and an opportunity to add role players to fill in the holes.

Neptune wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:One of the bigs if one is not traded will have to come off the bench to be successful. The trio has statistically proven they are the worst trio in basketball.

Motown if we get a good coach here and our big 3 still doesn't work within the first 20 games, I'll surely come around to your way of thinking. I recognize that our team may not look splendid from a statistically stand point. But before I throw in the towel, I want to give this squad an opportunity to play for a respectable coach and an opportunity to add role players to fill in the holes.

What have you seen from all this mess this season that gives you all this hope in this squad? I read all your posts and I can't make any sense out of any of it.

MotownMadness wrote:What have you seen from all this mess this season that gives you all this hope in this squad? I read all your posts and I can't make any sense out of any of it.

Its not hope my dude, there isn't any player that has Smith's caliber at the 4 position that we'll be able to acquire. I'm just keeping it realistic. When we move him to the 4 to help cover Monroe or to play next to Drummond, we have ourselves a 3-headed monster. People forget that we're top in the NBA in rebounds, top in the NBA in fast breaks, and we have two players(Smith and Drummond) who's top in the NBA in defensive stops(blocks and steals).

Now if we can move for Smith someone good, that's cool. But we have to at least get some value back.

wallace72 wrote:-New PG or Jennings with a new pair off brains
-KCP
-Other SF via trade or FA
-Monroe
-Drummond

Smith off the bench

Hollins HC
Sheed & Billups asst coach
Zeke head scouting
New GM

Stan Van Gundy could have won with this roster. He seems to have a way of getting effort out his guys and he understands how to make adjustments.

Lionel Hollins would have been an even better coach at the helm because he has a knack for dealing with strong willed players who have a bent towards mutiny. He controlled a team with OJ Mayo, Tony Allen, and Z-Bo. He won the admiration of those guys because he was tough and clear minded.

None of that murky stupidity we got from Cheeks when he would stand before the media saying he didn't know what to do or how to adjust or how to make the pieces fit. None of that getting into nose to nose shouting matches with players during a game because Hollins would command respect.

With that said, I am thoroughly annoyed with our lineup. I would like to see Smith gone. If he wants to be reunited with Rondo, send him to Boston. Jennings may be a good backup or potentially a good pg if he learns the game and stops playing NBA ball like it's a summer league game. Singler is good intangibles guy. KCP has unrealized potential. Drummond is on the verge of being a monster. Monroe has to be pushed to expand his game (offensively: take the perimeter shots; defensively: focus on pick and roll as well as help defense rotations).

I think we could have been no worse than the 6th seed with Hollins. now we must trade either Jennings or Smith cuz of the trash that went on this season. cant have the same roster next year.