Bad Boys vs '04

ComboGuardCity · Post #1 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:47 pm

Who you got?

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paQo the BAWSER · Post #2 » by **paQo the BAWSER** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:52 pm

I think the 2004 team was with the 2003 Spurs the best defensive team ever. The Bad Boys were great but he could hit the opps too much, nowadays the whole team would be fouls out.

Neptune · Post #3 » by **Neptune** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:57 pm

It'll be close, but I'll put my money on the bad boys in 6. RaSheed and Rip in there prime would give the bad boys trouble though.

Damn I wish our team would get it together so we could start winning again.

hoophabit · Post #4 » by **hoophabit** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:00 pm

Watched them both, no question in my mind the Bad Boys win this one. The BBs were a deeper, more diverse team. I just don't see the 04 team handling a frontcourt of Laimbeer, Mahorn, Edwards, Salley, Aguirre, and Rodman. After that you had the three guard rotation of Thomas, Dumars and Johnson. That said, it's something I don't really care to think on a lot as they both represented Piston championship teams I've enjoyed.

Notanoob · Post #5 » by **Notanoob** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:00 pm

Depends on the rules. If we let the Bad Boys get away with what they could get away, I think that they could get in the head of guys like Sheed, or maybe Big Ben, and get them off their game. The Bad Boys have a clear advantage in the backcourt, but if Bill and Rodman can get in everyone's heads, then they take this one in 6. If the Bad Boys have to worry about getting T'd up like mad, then the 04 Pistons beat them in 5 I think. They had incredible depth and would be able to wear them out. Plus, I like the offense on the 04 Pistons a bit more. They have the advantage of having a more modern game, which is a bit unfair, but yeah.

Depends on the officiating.

ImHeisenberg · Post #6 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:18 pm

Depends on the era. If they were playing in 2004, the Going to Work team would have won. They were much more athletic across the board, and had more balanced scoring with Billups, Rip, Prince and Sheed.

Bad Boy rules? It would be tough to say. I think Detroit would still have low post advantages with the Wallace's. Laimbeer was thrifty and dirty, but Big Ben would have overpowered him easily (like he did to everyone). Sheed is a match-up problem in any era in basketball.

Zeke, Dumars and Vinny would be a superior guard rotation to Billups, Rip and Hunter.

Again- depends on which era they're playing in really.

paQo the BAWSER · Post #7 » by **paQo the BAWSER** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:22 pm

If they play with the Bad Boys era rules, I think they could win easier than with the current rules. If the 04 team was a defensive beast, imagine if they could hit harder at the opps and do flagrant fouls as simply fouls.

I think the main differential factor would be Isiah Thomas.

kurtis48239 · Post #8 » by **kurtis48239** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:33 am

hoophabit wrote:Watched them both, no question in my mind the Bad Boys win this one. The BBs were a deeper, more diverse team. I just don't see the 04 team handling a frontcourt of Laimbeer, Mahorn, Edwards, Salley, Aguirre, and Rodman. After that you had the three guard rotation of Thomas, Dumars and Johnson. That said, it's something I don't really care to think on a lot as they both represented Piston championship teams I've enjoyed.

This right here,bad boys were deeper in my opinion.

MotownMadness · Post #9 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:01 am

Bad Boys, They were also playing together much longer than that 04 squad.

DBC10 · Post #10 » by **DBC10** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:33 am

The Bad Boys and a lot of the top teams during their era were stacked to the teeth. Like the Lakers, Celtics, and MJ's Bulls. I would think if the rules were not updated the the Bad boys can win by a close series. If we're playing today's rules, then I think the 04 team has a better chance if not edge them out.

Notanoob · Post #11 » by **Notanoob** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:42 am

I think that both teams were quite deep.

Bad Boys
Laimbeer/Edwards
Mahorn/Salley
Aguirre/Rodman
Dumars/Johnson
Thomas

Going to Work
Wallace/Campbell
Wallace/Okur
Prince/Williamson
Hamilton
Billiups/Hunter

The Bad Boys have a clear backcourt advantage IMO. Not even close between Dumars and Hamilton, and Johnson and Hunter. Chauncey is closer, at least due to his versatility and efficiency, but I think we can agree that Thomas was the better player. On the other hand, I think that the '04 squad has a clear advantage with the bigs. Sheed is the most talented player there, and while Laimbeer was great at getting in peoples' heads, he didn't have nearly the same sort of on-court impact that Big Ben did. Plus, while Edwards and Salley were really good backups, you can't knock Campbell and Okur.

It's tougher with the SFs. They are vauge mirrors of each other-Prince and Rodman are the defensive freaks, while Williamson and Aguirre are the scorers. But they are very different in how they got things done, and of course the difference between Prince and Rodman are obvious. I'd like to just call it a draw really.

Very close battle IMO though.

ElectricMayhem · Post #12 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:23 pm

I don't care, I just want to see Rodman and Big Ben battling for boards.

wallsfamily · Post #13 » by **wallsfamily** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:45 pm

great thread. Just an observation! If the 2004 rules were in place and officiating was tighter think how good Isaish would be with no hand checking. Wow!

wallsfamily · Post #14 » by **wallsfamily** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:48 pm

great thread. Just an observation! If the 2004 rules were in place and officiating was tighter think how good Isaish would be with no hand checking. Wow!

fleet40 · Post #15 » by **fleet40** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:19 pm

How exactly would Ben Wallace overpower Laimbeer? In what way?

Laimbeer did not post, and instead set picks and popped outside for long jumpers. So Ben Wallace would most likely rarely guard him.

Ben Wallace was one of the worst offensive players I have ever seen (love him as I do for all he did) - So Laimbeer could guard him down low with ease.

Laimbeer was a great Def. rebounder. One of the best of his generation. He would hold his own on the boards. Yes Ben would get his at times. But I also see Laimbeer getting his on both ends. As he was also a very sneaky offensive rebounder for tip ins and putbacks.

Laimbeer would have a hard time guarding Sheed down low, but he would bang with him as well.

Remember young bucks. Laimbeer guarded the likes of Moses Malone 4 times a season, as well as Ewing. He held his own against them, and sheed and Ben were never that class of player.

Clarity · Post #16 » by **Clarity** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:22 pm

Much different times, ill take the 04 team though, that team was locked in during that Playoff run & that defense was one of the greatest pro bball has ever seen.

Shame was not sending the 04 Pistons to Greece that Summer instead of that team they sent to the Olympics, USA bball would have ran everyone out of the building like normal instead of losing.

wallace72 · Post #17 » by **wallace72** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:29 pm

Give me a mix of the two teams.

Bad boys should play now, nobody stays on court due to fouling out.
:lol:

Laimbeer · Post #18 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:30 pm

Bad Boys were deeper and had a nice edge in the backcourt. Tay and Rip would be somewhat intimidated, and Sheed is the kind of guy you can get flustered. It's the mental game where the 2004 team would really have a problem.

DonVitoReturns · Post #19 » by **DonVitoReturns** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:16 pm

Bad boys in four. Not close.

mercury · Post #20 » by **mercury** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:39 am

The matchups clearly favor the 89/90 team...
Laim pulls Ben out of the paint for Zeke to do whatever he wants.
Rodman runs circles around Corliss & Sheed while annoying the hell out of them of defense.
Sheed wins the battle vs. Aquirre
Buddha might have a tough time vs EC due to being pushed out.
Joe was capable of staying step for step with Rip... all shots would be challenged... even
Memo vs Mahorn & Buddha... edge to Boys
Billups get dominated by Zeke... not even close.

Who wins a 7 game series, Bad boys or the '04 Champs?