JENNINGS VS CALDERON

MotownMadness · Post #1 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:31 pm

I just read this from DBB. It's hilarious how bad Dumars really screwed up this off season.

"I just read Tom Haberstroh's "Awards" article over at ESPN Insider, and it was very, very painful. In short, his awards demonstrate just how awful it was for Dumars to let Calderon go and replace him with Jennings. It seems as though Haberstroh gave out these awards specifically to give Pistons fans one more punch in the gut.

Here are the awards he gave to Brandon Jennings:

Most Drives Allowed: Jennings allowed more opposing players to blow past him (491) than any other player in the NBA. I knew it was bad, but wow.

Most Opportunistic Scorer: Jennings padded his stats during blowouts more than any other player in the NBA, scoring 8.2 more pts (Per 36) during double-digit leads (granted, the Pistons were blown out a lot) than when the games were close.

This is even more painful when contrasted with Calderon's awards…
Jose Calderon was also given two awards:

Deadliest Open Shooter: "Calderon shot 50 percent on unguarded catch-and-shoots this season, giving him a league-leading 74.6 percent effective field goal percentage once you account for the added value of the 3-pointer." Yeah, as if the Pistons needed that.

Least Opportunistic Scorer: Yes, the exact inverse of Jennings' above award! "In close games (score within three points), Calderon scored 15.9 points per 36 minutes, which is 4.3 points higher than he put up in routs (11.6 points per 36 minutes)."

I know we're mostly in the "Thanks, Joe" mode now that he's gone (and I do thank Joe for the memories), but boy, it really does hurt to see it laid out so clearly. We could've kept the guy who really fit our needs, but Joe let him walk (according to Calderon himself) and went instead with Smennings. "

ImHeisenberg · Post #2 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:34 pm

Neither can play lick of defense. But, Calderon is better at almost everything on offense than Jennings. He's not as athletic or quick, but he's a superior shooter, insanely higher BBIQ, and his passing is substantially better as well.

All things being equal, Calderon would have been the better signing- especially when you consider that it would have allowed Detroit to retain Knight and Middleton as well. It's a no-brainer (unless you're Joe Dumars, apparently).

mercury · Post #3 » by **mercury** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:36 pm

Calderon being more efficient make have cost us the pick this year.
The age just doesn't work for when this team is ready to make a serious run.

MotownMadness · Post #4 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:42 pm

mercury wrote:Calderon being more efficient make have cost us the pick this year.
The age just doesn't work for when this team is ready to make a serious run.

See I wish we would have built a decent squad and made the playoffs this year. I just wanted to tank once I seen what Jennings and Smith were all about. I didnt want us to make the playoffs in a weak Eastern Conference with Smith and Jennings chucking and stunting the young players. Because the Gores probably wouldnt have fired Joe and wouldnt want to trade Smith. But this would have been the year to get in and have a good shot at getting to the ECF.

DonVitoReturns · Post #5 » by **DonVitoReturns** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:00 pm

I was not a fan of Calderon. I didn't think he was a long term solution at PG.

But then he went out and got Jennings and I nearly died. I'd take 100 Calderons over Jennings.

I will always contend that Jennings sealed Dumars fate. That's when I turned on him.

DBC10 · Post #6 » by **DBC10** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:32 pm

DonVitoReturns wrote:I was not a fan of Calderon. I didn't think he was a long term solution at PG.

But then he went out and got Jennings and I nearly died. I'd take 100 Calderons over Jennings.

I will always contend that Jennings sealed Dumars fate. That's when I turned on him.

This is how I thought at the time too. I'd gladly eat crow now to say that Calderon would make this team look immensely better here than Jennings. At least one can run the offense and not shoot you out of games.

Spider156 · Post #7 » by **Spider156** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:52 pm

IF we end up winning the Lottery, this thread deserves to be shut down. I'm tired of the Dumars bashing. I wanted him out too and now he's gone. Get over it guys. The signings of Smith and Jennings could be what makes us into a dynasty. The draft is really the only measure of how badly Joe messed up. I'll wait and pass the judgement later.

DonVitoReturns · Post #8 » by **DonVitoReturns** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:02 pm

Spider156 wrote:IF we end up winning the Lottery, this thread deserves to be shut down.

That's a big IF, but IF it happens I will agree with you.

But if they don't get a top three pick, and their #8 selection is a marginal talent, AND they end up being one of the worst teams in the league next season while giving away their draft pick in the #2 thru #4 slot...then all he!! breaks lose.

Unfortunately, the latter is much more likely IMO. The former is basically luck. The latter is where this thing is probably headed.

DCintheD · Post #9 » by **DCintheD** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:09 pm

It's funny/sad that had we just kept the same team from last year we'd probly have the same record but with a much more financially flexible future and better young assets.

Laimbeer · Post #10 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:12 pm

Spider156 wrote:The signings of Smith and Jennings could be what makes us into a dynasty.

E-Z · Post #11 » by **E-Z** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:18 pm

I wanted Calderon to return, but he was never a long term solution. Clearly Joe wanted players that weren't too young, but not too old either. He was the GM full of compromises.

Q00 · Post #12 » by **Q00** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:54 pm

Calderon was awful here. Just because a player fits well on another team and succeeds doesn't mean you should've kept him on your team, when he clearly didn't fit.

That website is just a fan blog anyways. Why do people keeping posting those articles here lately as if they are credible sources? Its borderline spamming. Even bleacher report is probably more credible than than site.

E-Z · Post #13 » by **E-Z** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:00 pm

Q00 wrote:Calderon was awful here. Just because a player fits well on another team and succeeds doesn't mean you should've kept him on your team, when he clearly didn't fit.

That website is just a fan blog anyways. Why do people keeping posting those articles here lately as if they are credible sources? Its borderline spamming. Even bleacher report is probably more credible than than site.

How was he awful here?

MotownMadness · Post #14 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:07 pm

Q00 wrote:Calderon was awful here. Just because a player fits well on another team and succeeds doesn't mean you should've kept him on your team, when he clearly didn't fit.

That website is just a fan blog anyways. Why do people keeping posting those articles here lately as if they are credible sources? Its borderline spamming. Even bleacher report is probably more credible than than site.

Credible source lol, Its just showing theyre stats which yes is a credible fact.

Q00 · Post #15 » by **Q00** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:22 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
Q00 wrote:Calderon was awful here. Just because a player fits well on another team and succeeds doesn't mean you should've kept him on your team, when he clearly didn't fit.

That website is just a fan blog anyways. Why do people keeping posting those articles here lately as if they are credible sources? Its borderline spamming. Even bleacher report is probably more credible than than site.

Credible source lol, Its just showing theyre stats which yes is a credible fact.

Its a biased fan blog. They post articles skewed towards players they like and against players they hate. Anyone can write an article highlighting all of one players strengths and all of another players weaknessess. and it will make one look better than the other. Just because the stats are facts doesn't mean all the facts get presented and that's why its not a credible blog.

Q00 · Post #16 » by **Q00** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:27 pm

E-Z wrote:
Q00 wrote:Calderon was awful here. Just because a player fits well on another team and succeeds doesn't mean you should've kept him on your team, when he clearly didn't fit.

That website is just a fan blog anyways. Why do people keeping posting those articles here lately as if they are credible sources? Its borderline spamming. Even bleacher report is probably more credible than than site.

How was he awful here?

Did you watch those games?

We got blown out by like 25-30 pts almost every night with him and barely won any games the whole second half of the season after the trade. Then he was shut down for the last 7 games and we ended up playing better with Stuckey at PG. When you are better off with Stuckey as your PG than a guy, then that guy is not the answer.

Sheeeeed · Post #17 » by **Sheeeeed** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:30 pm

Q00 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
Q00 wrote:Calderon was awful here. Just because a player fits well on another team and succeeds doesn't mean you should've kept him on your team, when he clearly didn't fit.

That website is just a fan blog anyways. Why do people keeping posting those articles here lately as if they are credible sources? Its borderline spamming. Even bleacher report is probably more credible than than site.

Credible source lol, Its just showing theyre stats which yes is a credible fact.

Its a biased fan blog. They post articles skewed towards players they like and against players they hate. Anyone can write an article highlighting all of one players strengths and all of another players weaknessess. and it will make one look better than the other. Just because the stats are facts doesn't mean all the facts get presented and that's why its not a credible blog.

Its funny you mention that...

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1210122&start=100

MotownMadness · Post #18 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:33 pm

Q00 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
Q00 wrote:Calderon was awful here. Just because a player fits well on another team and succeeds doesn't mean you should've kept him on your team, when he clearly didn't fit.

That website is just a fan blog anyways. Why do people keeping posting those articles here lately as if they are credible sources? Its borderline spamming. Even bleacher report is probably more credible than than site.

Credible source lol, Its just showing theyre stats which yes is a credible fact.

Its a biased fan blog. They post articles skewed towards players they like and against players they hate. Anyone can write an article highlighting all of one players strengths and all of another players weaknessess. and it will make one look better than the other. Just because the stats are facts doesn't mean all the facts get presented and that's why its not a credible blog.

My god what team did you watch all year? Theres nothing being exaggerated in the article. Jennings is the biggest chucker and worst defender in the league at his position. Its backed up by statistics and everyone who watched the Pistons play this year, well its clear to everyone but you and Neptune I guess who like the team being the joke of the league right now.

E-Z · Post #19 » by **E-Z** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:38 pm

Q00 wrote:
E-Z wrote:
Q00 wrote:Calderon was awful here. Just because a player fits well on another team and succeeds doesn't mean you should've kept him on your team, when he clearly didn't fit.

That website is just a fan blog anyways. Why do people keeping posting those articles here lately as if they are credible sources? Its borderline spamming. Even bleacher report is probably more credible than than site.

How was he awful here?

Did you watch those games?

We got blown out by like 25-30 pts almost every night with him and barely won any games the whole second half of the season after the trade. Then he was shut down for the last 7 games and we ended up playing better with Stuckey at PG. When you are better off with Stuckey as your PG than a guy, then that guy is not the answer.

I find it amazing that you're pinning the Pistons' woes as a team on him. That doesn't mean that he was awful by any stretch.

Q00 · Post #20 » by **Q00** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:40 pm

Sheeeeed wrote:
Q00 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:Credible source lol, Its just showing theyre stats which yes is a credible fact.

Its a biased fan blog. They post articles skewed towards players they like and against players they hate. Anyone can write an article highlighting all of one players strengths and all of another players weaknessess. and it will make one look better than the other. Just because the stats are facts doesn't mean all the facts get presented and that's why its not a credible blog.

Its funny you mention that...

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1210122&start=100

What is this?