Ultimate Offseason...

GreekAlex · Post #1 » by **GreekAlex** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:28 pm

Assuming we don't win a top 3 pick in the lottery, here's my plan:

1. Sign and trade with the Pacers: Lance Stevenson for KCP
I'm not sure the Pacers will be able to afford to resign Stevenson and getting KCP on a rookie deal is a decent consolation prize.

2. Sign and trade with Spurs: Kawahi Leonard for Moose
Tim Duncan won't last forever and I think Monroe would do well under Popavich.

3. Hope Noah Vonleh is available at 8 or try to trade up to get Julius Randle.
Two potential franchise PF's to groom until they develop or J. Smith is dealt.
I think Vonleh had a freshman season much like that of Drummond and should do better in the NBA with his skill set and size.

4. Sign Chris Kaman to backup Andre.
I used to hate when people wanted to trade for him to start but at 32 bringing him to his home state on a small deal to play backup would be nice.

5. Sign Vince Carter as backup SG
I think he's got enough left to have value off the bench for 2 seasons. If there's enough money left he'd be a good look if he's willing to come here.

B.Jennings W. Bynum/P. Siva
L.Stevenson V. Carter
K.Leonard K. Sigler/ L. Datome / T. Mitchell
J.Smith N. Vonleh or J.Randle / J. Jerebko
A.Drummond C. Kaman / 2nd round pick

We can only hope JJ opts out and Gigi goes back to Italy.
If we do get a top 3 pick all bets are off... Hopefully we grab Wiggins or Parker.

What are your thoughts? Whats realistic and what isn't? Do these deals seem like good fits?

Notanoob · Post #2 » by **Notanoob** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:05 pm

1. Lance Stevenson is an unrestricted free agent. We do not need to trade anything to get him, just sign him outright. That said, I'm not a fan. He's crazy, his recent selfish play has apparently hurt the team's chemistry, and above all else he cannot shoot.

2. Spurs don't do it. Leonard is their only real SF and they are trying to win now. Moose would be backing Duncan up and they'd now need a new SF with no capspace to find one. Also, some believe that he could be their new franchise centerpiece once Duncan retires, so they are very unlikely to move him for much of anything.

3. I like Vonleh, but I do not like Randle. Vonleh has shown some range on his jumpshot and has nice shot-blocking instincts. Randle is a big short for a PF, who can only use his faceup game and rebound the ball.

4. Not a terrible idea to bring the guy home, but I don't know if his attitude is the best (he seems a bit apathetic). If we do move on from Monroe, I'd like to bring a more professional, leader-type guy to back up Dre. You know, set a good example for him.

5. I'd like to have him but I'm not sure if he would come. Dallas might want him back, and I think that he'd prefer to remain on a playoff team or more stable organization.

GreekAlex · Post #3 » by **GreekAlex** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:00 am

Notanoob wrote:...and above all else he cannot shoot.

Can you elaborate... his #'s suggest he can.

Notanoob · Post #4 » by **Notanoob** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:40 am

He shot 35% from three this year, a career high. That's still a bit under league average last time I checked.

Clarity · Post #5 » by **Clarity** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:25 am

Lance Stephenson, Josh Smith & Brandon Jennings

lol wow

DCintheD · Post #6 » by **DCintheD** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:30 am

I'd rather have KCP over Stephenson.

I'd do that trade with SA in a second but no chance Spurs trade Leonard.

I like Vonleh at 8 if no Smart.

Kaman as a backup is solid.

We need to trade Smith asap.

RSCD3_ · Post #7 » by **RSCD3_** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:58 am

So with regards to not liking randle because he is a small 4 who can rebound and face up only

How is he such a different prospect than griffin and why was one rated so higher than the other?

Also can randle get to griffin's level

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MotownMadness · Post #8 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:13 am

RSCD3_ wrote:So with regards to not liking randle because he is a small 4 who can rebound and face up only

How is he such a different prospect than griffin and why was one rated so higher than the other?

Also can randle get to griffin's level

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Randle is nowhere near as explosive of a athlete as Griffin.

Notanoob · Post #9 » by **Notanoob** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:15 am

Randle doesn't have nearly the same sort of hops as Griffin, nor the passing ability. I think Griffin had the better handle too, although I really can't remember how Griffin's handle looked his freshman year.

As a statistical reference at least, Griffin had triple the steals his freshman year (per40 pace adjusted) and a lot more blocks. Steals of course, are considered a good indication of NBA potential, or they're the best of any box score stat. Guys who get steals are usually athletic (or at least long), and generally show a sort of intuitive understanding of the game that translates to both ends of the floor. You have to actually watch the guy to see if he's just a stat-padder or if he's playing a zone that inflates his steals numbers, but in generally they're a good thing to check. Randle's steals numbers blow.

I'm pretty certain that Randle won't be nearly the caliber of player Griffin is, even if all goes well. He's got some real bust potential if he doesn't add more to his offensive game. Defense could be a real problem for him too.

DBC10 · Post #10 » by **DBC10** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:37 am

Clarity wrote:Lance Stephenson, Josh Smith & Brandon Jennings

lol wow

The league would have to change rules just for our team to have 3 balls on court at all times.

There's literally not enough shot attempts and chemotherapy of the cancer that it'll bring to the locker room and the fans watching at home.

Clarity · Post #11 » by **Clarity** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:50 am

DBC10 wrote:
Clarity wrote:Lance Stephenson, Josh Smith & Brandon Jennings

lol wow

The league would have to change rules just for our team to have 3 balls on court at all times.

There's literally not enough shot attempts and chemotherapy of the cancer that it'll bring to the locker room and the fans watching at home.

Great Post

MotownMadness · Post #12 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:02 am

Pass on Stephenson as well. We dont need anymore players with question marks as far as attitudes and cancerous mentalities are concerned. Plus im really intrigued to see what KCP develops into because he may be a very good player here in a few years.

The Penguin · Post #13 » by **The Penguin** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:29 am

Ultimate off season (without moving up):

1)Dump Smennings, Jerebko opts out
2) Draft Smart & Isaiah Austin
3) Sign Gordon Hayward & DeJuan Blair

Smart/Siva/Bynum
KCP/Singler
Hayward/Datome/Mitchell
Monroe/Blair
Drummond/Harrellson/Austin

We do that and I'm thrilled

GreekAlex · Post #14 » by **GreekAlex** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:09 am

Piston Prince wrote:Ultimate off season (without moving up):

1)Dump Smennings, Jerebko opts out
2) Draft Smart & Isaiah Austin
3) Sign Gordon Hayward & DeJuan Blair

Smart/Siva/Bynum
KCP/Singler
Hayward/Datome/Mitchell
Monroe/Blair
Drummond/Harrellson/Austin

We do that and I'm thrilled

I guess the more I see Stephenson the less I like him too... but whats everyone see in Hayward? He put up decent numbers on a bad team... and you know he barely shot 30% on his 3's... and is he even big enough to guard 3's?

Notanoob · Post #15 » by **Notanoob** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:11 am

I don't like Smart, but he's been discussed many times elsewhere, so I'll refrain from reiterating that argument.

But Austin hasn't been discussed much, so let me say that I think he'll be a bust. He's really weak, but he doesn't have a great frame to add more weight. I think he'll get pushed around in the pro's. He's also really slow though, so even if he does add strength, it'll only further slow him down. He's a terrible rebounder for a big man, and his steals numbers are bad too. He was billed as a shooter (with one glass eye), but he hasn't shot well from 3 or the free throw line. His scoring efficiency was terrible, easily the worst among centers in this draft, even if you just compare them on 2pt% and ignore all the 3's he took. His steals numbers are poor for a center too. The only thing that he does better than most of the centers in this draft is pass (not amazing) and block shots (a lot of them).

If you're looking for an actual stretch center, we should go with Alec Brown, who was very accurate from 3 (over 40% for the last two seasons on good volume), or that guy from Western Michigan, who we can pick up without a draft pick, because Austin does not fill that role well (28% and 30% from three). Or just stick with Jorts. If you want an extreme shot-blocker, we should go with Jordan Bachynski, or maybe Sim Bhullar, who both did it better, but can at least rebound the ball decently.

Notanoob · Post #16 » by **Notanoob** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:16 am

GreekAlex wrote:I guess the more I see Stephenson the less I like him too... but whats everyone see in Hayward? He put up decent numbers on a bad team... and you know he barely shot 30% on his 3's... and is he even big enough to guard 3's?

Hayward has been oddly inconsistent. He's shot 47%, 34%, 41% and then 30% from three. I don't know how to explain that really. It adds up to a career 37% from 3 though. He is at least tall enough to guard 3's; he is 6'8" tall. Not a great defender by any means, but he isn't short.

GreekAlex · Post #17 » by **GreekAlex** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:38 am

Notanoob wrote:Hayward has been oddly inconsistent. He's shot 47%, 34%, 41% and then 30% from three. I don't know how to explain that really. It adds up to a career 37% from 3 though. He is at least tall enough to guard 3's; he is 6'8" tall. Not a great defender by any means, but he isn't short.

I know what your're saying but I believe he's just Kyle Sigler on a team with less scorers.

As his minutes and shots increase, his efficiency goes down... he is the same height and has a slighter build than sigler.

For the size of contract he will command, what makes sense about signing him?

Shouldn't we just keep our version at a fraction of the price?

jakebernat · Post #18 » by **jakebernat** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:13 am

hayward is more athletic than singler and wayyy more skilled with the ball in his hands both as a scorer and a distributor. hayward's also a much better defender.

they're just both white.

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GreekAlex · Post #19 » by **GreekAlex** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:48 am

jakebernat wrote:hayward is more athletic than singler and wayyy more skilled with the ball in his hands both as a scorer and a distributor. hayward's also a much better defender.

they're just both white.

Is he 8 or 9 times better? Because that what it sounds like what he's going to get paid.

jakebernat · Post #20 » by **jakebernat** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:04 am

GreekAlex wrote:
jakebernat wrote:hayward is more athletic than singler and wayyy more skilled with the ball in his hands both as a scorer and a distributor. hayward's also a much better defender.

they're just both white.

Is he 8 or 9 times better? Because that what it sounds like what he's going to get paid.

singler's still on his rookie deal! he'll get more money on the open market.

that's like saying melo is 8 or 9 times better than drummond because that's what he's about to be paid.