OT: MIP - Drummond 1 vote

ComboGuardCity · Post #1 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:23 pm

The voter?

George blaha :lol:

http://www.nba.com/media/042314-2013-14 ... -Votes.pdf

Warspite · Post #2 » by **Warspite** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:34 pm

"Nobody likes Goliath."

Wilt Chamberlain

Billl · Post #3 » by **Billl** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:08 pm

2nd year players are usually discounted for MIP. It's just generally expected that they will improve.

tmorgan · Post #4 » by **tmorgan** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:25 pm

Except Anthony Davis came in third in the voting overall.

People are stupid -- Dragic definitely deserved to win, but Andre improved quite a bit (if nothing else, lots more minutes without stamina issues) and deserved more votes.

Q00 · Post #5 » by **Q00** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:35 pm

Don't look now...

ImHeisenberg · Post #6 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:37 pm

He was a truly awful team and was generally viewed as a minus defender. I can see why he was passed over.

Dragic was the leader on an over-achieving team, and should have made the all-star team.

I get it. No worries. Maybe it will motivate Drummond this summer?

ComboGuardCity · Post #7 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:53 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:He was a truly awful team and was generally viewed as a minus defender. I can see why he was passed over.

Dragic was the leader on an over-achieving team, and should have made the all-star team.

I get it. No worries. Maybe it will motivate Drummond this summer?

I agree he doesn't deserve it. I just found it funny that blaha thought he did.

Sheeeeed · Post #8 » by **Sheeeeed** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:10 pm

You can always count on Blaha for the homer vote.

DetroitSho · Post #9 » by **DetroitSho** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:32 am

tmorgan wrote:Except Anthony Davis came in third in the voting overall.

People are stupid -- Dragic definitely deserved to win, but Andre improved quite a bit (if nothing else, lots more minutes without stamina issues) and deserved more votes.

So you think he should have lost a little closer? I'm not sure what the difference is if you felt the right person won.

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Ghost · Post #10 » by **Ghost** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:57 am

I thought Drummond would get some votes, but you have to love how Dragic came on.. Everybody thought the Suns would be a bottom-5 team and were basically tanking and Dragic stepped up and had an all-star type performance for the season

RSCD3_ · Post #11 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:58 am

Did he vote KCP rookie of the year?

Lol blaha

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Billl · Post #12 » by **Billl** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:16 pm

"Except Anthony Davis came in third in the voting overall."

Yeah, that proves the point. By the numbers - Increases from the prior year

Dragic

+5.6 ppg
-1.5 apg
+0.1 rpg
0.0 bpg
-0.2 spg

Davis

+7.3 ppg
+0.6 apg
+1.8 rpg
+1.0 bpg
+0.1 spg

Dragic had a heck of a year, but Davis improved more in every major statistical category. Across the board, he improved more than dragic, but he still trailed a distant third in "Most improved" voting. Granted, Dragic certainly has a well deserved leg up due to his team success, but it's pretty obvious that 2nd year improvement is heavily discounted in the voting process.

wallace72 · Post #13 » by **wallace72** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:26 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:The voter?

George blaha

http://www.nba.com/media/042314-2013-14 ... -Votes.pdf

He should even vote for Dumars as GM off the year :lol:

tmorgan · Post #14 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:58 pm

Billl wrote:"Except Anthony Davis came in third in the voting overall."

Yeah, that proves the point. By the numbers - Increases from the prior year

Dragic

+5.6 ppg
-1.5 apg
+0.1 rpg
0.0 bpg
-0.2 spg

Davis

+7.3 ppg
+0.6 apg
+1.8 rpg
+1.0 bpg
+0.1 spg

Dragic had a heck of a year, but Davis improved more in every major statistical category. Across the board, he improved more than dragic, but he still trailed a distant third in "Most improved" voting. Granted, Dragic certainly has a well deserved leg up due to his team success, but it's pretty obvious that 2nd year improvement is heavily discounted in the voting process.

All I said was that Drummond didn't get enough respect for his improvement...

+5.6 ppg
+5.6 rpg (!)

Everything else about even, although he did manage to shoot an even higher percentage and improved his FT% a little bit.

Moose10Fan · Post #15 » by **Moose10Fan** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:20 pm

If his D would have been better he would have been in the mix, except it got worse.

I love Drummond and he's going to be a monster, but he needs to drastically improve defensively. he was really bad this season on that end of the court.

RSCD3_ · Post #16 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:26 pm

Moose10Fan wrote:If his D would have been better he would have been in the mix, except it got worse.

I love Drummond and he's going to be a monster, but he needs to drastically improve defensively. he was really bad this season on that end of the court.

Jennings giving up 452 drives ( most in the nba ) will do that

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Moose10Fan · Post #17 » by **Moose10Fan** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:45 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:
Moose10Fan wrote:If his D would have been better he would have been in the mix, except it got worse.

I love Drummond and he's going to be a monster, but he needs to drastically improve defensively. he was really bad this season on that end of the court.

Jennings giving up 452 drives ( most in the nba ) will do that

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Eh Jennings is a big problem, but Dre gets caught sleeping in the paint.

Minas · Post #18 » by **Minas** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:34 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:He was a truly awful team and was generally viewed as a minus defender. I can see why he was passed over.

Dragic was the leader on an over-achieving team, and should have made the all-star team.

I get it. No worries. Maybe it will motivate Drummond this summer?

This. Plus lottery picks in their second year should be expected to make a big leap. MIP is so ambiguous.

Minas · Post #19 » by **Minas** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:35 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:He was a truly awful team and was generally viewed as a minus defender. I can see why he was passed over.

Dragic was the leader on an over-achieving team, and should have made the all-star team.

I get it. No worries. Maybe it will motivate Drummond this summer?

This. Plus lottery picks in their second year should be expected to make a big leap. MIP is so ambiguous.

tmorgan · Post #20 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:35 am

Drummond's defense definitely wasn't as good as I expected, but I don't think it's fair to characterize it as "bad". Moose is bad. Jennings is very bad. Andre just isn't particularly "good" yet.