Sign & Trade Monroe for.....?

[MLBoyd]

I believe that one of our best chance to turn this franchise around is to get rid on Monroe (I know Smith is a problem too). This franchise can not afford to pay him the money he will receive from other teams this off-season. At the same time I don't believe we just let him walk. I would like to see the Pistons do a Sign & Trade with Monroe because there seems to be a good amount of interest from other teams in the NBA for monroe.

Who do you think the Pistons could get in a Sign & Trade deal for Monroe that could help the team move in the right direction?

[tmorgan]

Assuming we don't move up and draft Wiggins or Parker, I'd like to get a young 3 with some potential on a cheaper contract. If necessary, I'd be willing to take back some salary, too, but only expirings.

[Q00]

Barnes probably makes the most sense. I think he's a bit overrated, but he's better than nothing and his cheap contract means there's no real risk in trying him out for a few years.

The problem is with a sign and trade you are at the mercy of Monroe and the other team. First it depends on what team makes him an offer. Then it depends on which team he chooses to sign with, and then it depends on what that team has to offer in return.

So if Monroe isn't interested in signing with GS, then it doesn't matter if they want him and are willing to offer Barnes in a S&T.

Also, all this talk in the media about the Pistons willing to match any offer for Monroe doesn't really mean anything, because they have to say that right now, as its the only barganing chip they have left. Otherwise, no team is going to give them anything in a S&T, if that team knows there's no chance of the Pistons matching. So even if they were 100% set on trading him, they would still be saying they plan to match any offer.

[tmorgan]

Yeah, Barnes is who I had in mind while thinking about this. Monroe has more value than Barnes, but an expensive Monroe probably doesn't. If GS has an expiring that's fairly useless for them, Barnes + expiring for resigned Monroe works for me -- not because it's equal value, but because we can't GET equal value.

Again, before there's an uproar, I'm willing to try a year of Monroe with Drummond if Smith is gone. I'd still do this deal even if Smith is gone, but it wouldn't upset me to give them a try. I think we'll suck defensively in that scenario, but the offense will be entertaining, at least. Then it's about improving our play at the 1-2-3, and we have a TON of room for improvement there. All three starters will need to defend their position reasonably well, which rules out Jennings and Singler as starters.

[Q00]

Monroe has more value than Barnes, but an expensive Monroe probably doesn't.

This is exactly the quandry the Pistons are in. Barnes has value because he's young and on a rookie contract. A big part of Monroe's value the last few years too. Once Monroe is 24-25 and making 15 mil/yr though, if he's still the same player, he's not going to be nearly as valuable anymore.

That's why trading him now is essential. Its similar to a college sophmore deciding whether to enter the draft or return for his junior year. As a sophmore, a player still carries some of that luster from their freshman year, and can still get drafted in the 1st round just for being young with potential. Once they return as juniors though, none of that applies anymore. If they aren't bonafide stars by then, few GMs are willing to give up their 1st round pick for them anymore, as there will be a whole new crop of young talented freshman/sophmore's to choose from instead.

Monroe is at that same point right now. He's still got some of that luster left of being young with potential and can still maybe fetch another young prospect in return. At this time next year though, if he hasn't developed into a bonafide all-star, the only offers we'll be getting then will be for other teams overpaid, failed veterans that they are trying to unload too.

[sfballa13]

I still think we can jump into the top 3 by trading Monroe and taking back a huge deal

Lowry + KCP + #2-3 + #8 + Drummond looks like a nice roster to me

[ComboGuardCity]

I still think we can jump into the top 3 by trading Monroe and taking back a huge deal

Lowry + KCP + #2-3 + #8 + Drummond looks like a nice roster to me

You.
Can't.
Trade.
Monroe.
For.
A.
Draft.
Pick.
In.
The
2014.
Draft.

[Notanoob]

Pretty much no team near the top of the lottery has an awful deal on their cap sheet still, and even the Celtics wouldn't give us the #3 pick just to take on Wallace. I say just take on Wallace because we can't actually trade Monroe on draft night, because he's a (restricted) free agent. It's not allowed under league rules.

Edit- CGC beat me to it.

[sfballa13]

I still think we can jump into the top 3 by trading Monroe and taking back a huge deal

Lowry + KCP + #2-3 + #8 + Drummond looks like a nice roster to me

You.
Can't.
Trade.
Monroe.
For.
A.
Draft.
Pick.
In.
The
2014.
Draft.

Does. Not. Have. To. Be. On. Draft. Night.

[E-Z]

Not fond on trading Monroe for unproven talent. I'm about 75% convinced that he's not best utilized as a power forward, but I believe his stock can rise a bit more next season or so for a solid trade down the road. Detroit can still be a legitimate playoff team with him at the four. This team just needs a lot more work in other areas, chemistry for the most part.

[jakebernat]

you're telling me a young true low post scorer won't have any trade value in two years? please.

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[Clarity]

you're telling me a young true low post scorer won't have any trade value in two years? please.

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Well, he's trying to tell you that. No one believes him though.

[Neptune]

It doesn't seem as if we'll get the most value with a sign-and-trade. If we sign & trade Monroe we should look for a back-up 5 and a 3 in return. We'll need both! Maybe the Magic will offer Vucevic & Harkless. Maybe the Suns will offer Len & Tucker. Maybe the Celtics will offer Green & Olynyk. Maybe the Jazz will offer Kanter & Hayward(not sure if Hayward would work since he's a RFA).

I think the best option would be to match anything Monroe's offered and look to move him before the trade deadline if everything doesn't work out. Bigs will always have value, especially healthy, young, and talented ones.

[DBC10]

Not fond on trading Monroe for unproven talent. I'm about 75% convinced that he's not best utilized as a power forward, but I believe his stock can rise a bit more next season or so for a solid trade down the road. Detroit can still be a legitimate playoff team with him at the four. This team just needs a lot more work in other areas, chemistry for the most part.

This man gets it. Nobody listen to anything to the contrary since it's nonsense.

Moose's value won't plummet after his new deal (of whatever the market sets, mind you) gets signed. He'll still hold basically the same amount of value IMO since at worst he's still the same 16/10 bigman in a small ball league. He as a player can only go up from here, whether the money and new coach/GM motivates him to take the next step, is another discussion.

[Alexander]

Monroe is a piece I would only move in a blockbuster trade, not somebody I would trade for lesser parts.

[The Penguin]

It doesn't seem as if we'll get the most value with a sign-and-trade. If we sign & trade Monroe we should look for a back-up 5 and a 3 in return. We'll need both! Maybe the Magic will offer Vucevic & Harkless. Maybe the Suns will offer Len & Tucker. Maybe the Celtics will offer Green & Olynyk. Maybe the Jazz will offer Kanter & Hayward(not sure if Hayward would work since he's a RFA).

I think the best option would be to match anything Monroe's offered and look to move him before the trade deadline if everything doesn't work out. Bigs will always have value, especially healthy, young, and talented ones.

Those are some pretty "pie in the sky" ideas.....

[The Penguin]

I don't understand why people don't want to pay Monroe yet think we are going to get good young players/draft picks for him. If Monroe is signing for near max he will be a negative value piece when he signs regardless of him signing for us or someone else. The best we could realistically hope for in a S&T is someone like Thad Young or Channing Frye + one of the players the Suns take in the draft. The time to get nice draft picks/interesting players on a rookie contract was last summer.

[The Penguin]

Monroe is a piece I would only move in a blockbuster trade, not somebody I would trade for lesser parts.

Players involved in a S&T can't be moved with anything else. We either trade Monroe by himself in a S&T or we can't deal him till December.

[Neptune]

It doesn't seem as if we'll get the most value with a sign-and-trade. If we sign & trade Monroe we should look for a back-up 5 and a 3 in return. We'll need both! Maybe the Magic will offer Vucevic & Harkless. Maybe the Suns will offer Len & Tucker. Maybe the Celtics will offer Green & Olynyk. Maybe the Jazz will offer Kanter & Hayward(not sure if Hayward would work since he's a RFA).

I think the best option would be to match anything Monroe's offered and look to move him before the trade deadline if everything doesn't work out. Bigs will always have value, especially healthy, young, and talented ones.

Those are some pretty "pie in the sky" ideas.....

Haha, that's why it makes sense to just match anything Monroe's offered. We're not getting equal value in return if we sign & trade Monroe period.

[The Penguin]

It doesn't seem as if we'll get the most value with a sign-and-trade. If we sign & trade Monroe we should look for a back-up 5 and a 3 in return. We'll need both! Maybe the Magic will offer Vucevic & Harkless. Maybe the Suns will offer Len & Tucker. Maybe the Celtics will offer Green & Olynyk. Maybe the Jazz will offer Kanter & Hayward(not sure if Hayward would work since he's a RFA).

I think the best option would be to match anything Monroe's offered and look to move him before the trade deadline if everything doesn't work out. Bigs will always have value, especially healthy, young, and talented ones.

Those are some pretty "pie in the sky" ideas.....

Haha, that's why it makes sense to just match anything Monroe's offered. We're not getting equal value in return if we sign & trade Monroe period.

That's where my head is. We need to dump Smith without surrendering assets, add players who complement a Drummond-Monroe pairing and give it a real chance to work for 2 years. If it becomes obvious it'll never work then Monroe would be a 25 year old whose close to a 20-10 big with just a couple of years left on his deal, likely much more valuable then compared to now where we'd hope a team is willing to surrender real assets and give him a 4 year deal for close to $50 mil.


Joe should have been fired before last summer and we should have allowed someone with leeway to build a team that complements Drummond & Monroe. Instead we have an owner who is trying to run the team like another one of his PE/VC ventures. We all need to hope the Bucks sale showed him he can make 100-200 mil on his investment and he sells to someone like Illitch.