New Coach Candidate! Sam Presti and Rob Hennigan's coach.

vic · Post #1 » by **vic** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:24 pm

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2014/4 ... ge-profile

Check this story out this guy has a GM tree, not a coaching tree. He's changed NBA basketball by coaching a division III school.

ImHeisenberg · Post #2 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:27 pm

He coached players who would become GM's. That makes him a qualified coach how?

Clarity · Post #3 » by **Clarity** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:36 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:He coached players who would become GM's. That makes him a qualified coach how?

& in Presti's case, crappy GM's.

Pharaoh · Post #4 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:53 pm

Woah...Presti is a crap GM? How?

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ImHeisenberg · Post #5 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:05 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Woah...Presti is a crap GM? How?

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Trading James Harden for Steven Adams and Jeremy Lamb, essentially.

Trading James Harden because they didn't want to pay him, versus trading Kendrick Perkins.

Outside of his four good draft picks (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka), he really hasn't done well. The team is very top heavy, and is a major reason why OKC is having a terrible time against Memphis, and would be down 3-1 if it wasn't for the most generous refs in the league.

Sheeeeed · Post #6 » by **Sheeeeed** » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:14 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Woah...Presti is a crap GM? How?

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Trading James Harden for Steven Adams and Jeremy Lamb, essentially.

Trading James Harden because they didn't want to pay him, versus trading Kendrick Perkins.

Outside of his four good draft picks (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka), he really hasn't done well. The team is very top heavy, and is a major reason why OKC is having a terrible time against Memphis, and would be down 3-1 if it wasn't for the most generous refs in the league.

I think that has more to do with ownership not wanting to go into the luxury tax or paying Perkins to go away more than anything else.

epheisey · Post #7 » by **epheisey** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:56 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Woah...Presti is a crap GM? How?

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Trading James Harden for Steven Adams and Jeremy Lamb, essentially.

Trading James Harden because they didn't want to pay him, versus trading Kendrick Perkins.

Outside of his four good draft picks (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka), he really hasn't done well. The team is very top heavy, and is a major reason why OKC is having a terrible time against Memphis, and would be down 3-1 if it wasn't for the most generous refs in the league.

I agree that Presti has in many ways lucked into their roster via the draft, trading Harden was a necessary move. They're a small market team, keeping 3 of the top 20 players in the league on the same roster along with two large contracts to their bigs was impossible. In hind sight, Harden over Perkins would be an obvious change, but then again, we wouldn't have signed Josh Smith, CV, or Ben Gordon either.

I'm interested in Troy Weaver (I think that's his name). He's an assistant in OKC's front office and supposedly one of the top GM candidates in the league the past couple years

Pharaoh · Post #8 » by **Pharaoh** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:36 am

So Presti gets blamed for ownership refusing to pay the luxury tax and/or Harden refusing to take slightly less $$$ to stay with OKC?

That's a leap I'm not willing to take

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Redeemed · Post #9 » by **Redeemed** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:52 pm

As a GM Sam has drafted really REALLY well. Good eye for talent. And that eye has been good enough to let Jeff Green and Harden go and not miss a beat. I like the dude a lot. Not to mention the diamond they have in Reggie Jackson, a back up better than most of the starting pgs in the league.

The Penguin · Post #10 » by **The Penguin** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:09 pm

Bill Simmons live blog on the Westbrook pick -
"Andy Katz tells us Seattle is keeping the No. 4 pick. Unfortunately, Seattle isn't keeping its team. Anyway, the Sonics pull a minor shocker by taking Russell Westbrook. Loved his potential, loved him all season ... but even I can't defend that one. "Who would have thought last year at this time that Russell Westbrook would have been the fourth pick in this draft?" Bilas asks. Last year? What about last week? What about five minutes ago? How does Seattle pass on Kevin Love there?"

Simmons on the Harden pick-
""He's battled asthma since he was a child," Scott tells us. How does Rubio drop to No. 4? How?!? I feel like I'm gonna pass out. I like Harden as a glue-character guy and he definitely has a good porn name. But considering the Zombies have to worry about Durant fleeing in a couple of years, wasn't it in their best interests to find him an unselfish guard who's immensely fun to play with and was put on the earth to get Durant easy baskets? Big mistake."

Not that I think Simmons is all that, but that's a pretty good pulse on the general reaction to those picks at that time. In hindsight Presti hit grand slams with both. The Harden move is completely on ownership. Presti is doing his best to make chicken salad.

ImHeisenberg · Post #11 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:35 pm

epheisey wrote:I agree that Presti has in many ways lucked into their roster via the draft, trading Harden was a necessary move. They're a small market team, keeping 3 of the top 20 players in the league on the same roster along with two large contracts to their bigs was impossible. In hind sight, Harden over Perkins would be an obvious change, but then again, we wouldn't have signed Josh Smith, CV, or Ben Gordon either.

I'm interested in Troy Weaver (I think that's his name). He's an assistant in OKC's front office and supposedly one of the top GM candidates in the league the past couple years

As a GM you HAVE to have that foresight to be successful. He blew it on Harden. They just made the NBA finals, were incredibly young, and Perkins was useless in that series.

Now? They're battling the Grizzlies, just trying to get out of the first round, and they're down 3-2.

As for his assistant GM- we plucked an assistant from OKC last summer. It didn't work out too well for us. :lol:

Clarity · Post #12 » by **Clarity** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:37 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Woah...Presti is a crap GM? How?

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Trading James Harden for Steven Adams and Jeremy Lamb, essentially.

Trading James Harden because they didn't want to pay him, versus trading Kendrick Perkins.

Outside of his four good draft picks (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka), he really hasn't done well. The team is very top heavy, and is a major reason why OKC is having a terrible time against Memphis, and would be down 3-1 if it wasn't for the most generous refs in the league.

What he said.

Clarity · Post #13 » by **Clarity** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:38 pm

Piston Prince wrote:Bill Simmons live blog on the Westbrook pick -
"Andy Katz tells us Seattle is keeping the No. 4 pick. Unfortunately, Seattle isn't keeping its team. Anyway, the Sonics pull a minor shocker by taking Russell Westbrook. Loved his potential, loved him all season ... but even I can't defend that one. "Who would have thought last year at this time that Russell Westbrook would have been the fourth pick in this draft?" Bilas asks. Last year? What about last week? What about five minutes ago? How does Seattle pass on Kevin Love there?"

Simmons on the Harden pick-
""He's battled asthma since he was a child," Scott tells us. How does Rubio drop to No. 4? How?!? I feel like I'm gonna pass out. I like Harden as a glue-character guy and he definitely has a good porn name. But considering the Zombies have to worry about Durant fleeing in a couple of years, wasn't it in their best interests to find him an unselfish guard who's immensely fun to play with and was put on the earth to get Durant easy baskets? Big mistake."

Not that I think Simmons is all that, but that's a pretty good pulse on the general reaction to those picks at that time. In hindsight Presti hit grand slams with both. The Harden move is completely on ownership. Presti is doing his best to make chicken salad.

Bill Simmons is a moron though lol

epheisey wrote:
I agree that Presti has in many ways lucked into their roster via the draft, trading Harden was a necessary move. They're a small market team, keeping 3 of the top 20 players in the league on the same roster along with two large contracts to their bigs was impossible. In hind sight, Harden over Perkins would be an obvious change, but then again, we wouldn't have signed Josh Smith, CV, or Ben Gordon either.

I'm interested in Troy Weaver (I think that's his name). He's an assistant in OKC's front office and supposedly one of the top GM candidates in the league the past couple years

Presti completely lucked into his draft.

Everyone was taking Oden over Durant except Orlando.

Choosing Perkins over Harden alone will never allow Presti to not be considered medicore at best, thats going to go down in history as one of the dumbest moves made.

Presti built a team that peaked super early, then never improved them. Its why OKC as is, isnt winning a title.

DetroitSho · Post #14 » by **DetroitSho** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:26 pm

Clarity wrote:
Piston Prince wrote:Bill Simmons live blog on the Westbrook pick -
"Andy Katz tells us Seattle is keeping the No. 4 pick. Unfortunately, Seattle isn't keeping its team. Anyway, the Sonics pull a minor shocker by taking Russell Westbrook. Loved his potential, loved him all season ... but even I can't defend that one. "Who would have thought last year at this time that Russell Westbrook would have been the fourth pick in this draft?" Bilas asks. Last year? What about last week? What about five minutes ago? How does Seattle pass on Kevin Love there?"

Simmons on the Harden pick-
""He's battled asthma since he was a child," Scott tells us. How does Rubio drop to No. 4? How?!? I feel like I'm gonna pass out. I like Harden as a glue-character guy and he definitely has a good porn name. But considering the Zombies have to worry about Durant fleeing in a couple of years, wasn't it in their best interests to find him an unselfish guard who's immensely fun to play with and was put on the earth to get Durant easy baskets? Big mistake."

Not that I think Simmons is all that, but that's a pretty good pulse on the general reaction to those picks at that time. In hindsight Presti hit grand slams with both. The Harden move is completely on ownership. Presti is doing his best to make chicken salad.

Bill Simmons is a moron though lol

epheisey wrote:
I agree that Presti has in many ways lucked into their roster via the draft, trading Harden was a necessary move. They're a small market team, keeping 3 of the top 20 players in the league on the same roster along with two large contracts to their bigs was impossible. In hind sight, Harden over Perkins would be an obvious change, but then again, we wouldn't have signed Josh Smith, CV, or Ben Gordon either.

I'm interested in Troy Weaver (I think that's his name). He's an assistant in OKC's front office and supposedly one of the top GM candidates in the league the past couple years

Presti completely lucked into his draft.

Everyone was taking Oden over Durant except Orlando.

Choosing Perkins over Harden alone will never allow Presti to not be considered medicore at best, thats going to go down in history as one of the dumbest moves made.

Presti built a team that peaked super early, then never improved them. Its why OKC as is, isnt winning a title.

Dude, that was OWNERSHIP not Presti.

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Sheeeeed · Post #15 » by **Sheeeeed** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:07 pm

The Westrbook, and Harden picks were considered reaches at the time they were drafted. It wasn't just Simmons that were down on those picks.

Pharaoh · Post #16 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu May 1, 2014 2:27 am

Presti acquired Perkins, which provided them with the inside toughness they needed to contend

It's easy to say Presti chose Perkins over Harden...it's not true though. They offered Harden near Max money and he wanted more...so they moved him on and are still contenders!

Anyone that thinks it's easy to replace a vital cog like Harden and not miss a beat doesn't think, period!

People skim over the drafting of Ibaka or the value of Collison, Reggie Jackson, Lamb, Sefolosha...

All Presti did was nail the Draft?

Methinks people don't give him enough credit because he has Durant. Look at their entite organization: you think that begins with Bennett?

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Clarity · Post #17 » by **Clarity** » Thu May 1, 2014 7:03 pm

DetroitSho wrote:Dude, that was OWNERSHIP not Presti.

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Ownership is about numbers, if they would have cut lose that bum Perkins the numbers would have fit.

Mind boggling mistake.

Sheeeeed · Post #18 » by **Sheeeeed** » Thu May 1, 2014 7:16 pm

Clarity wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:Dude, that was OWNERSHIP not Presti.

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Ownership is about numbers, if they would have cut lose that bum Perkins the numbers would have fit.

Mind boggling mistake.

The ownership would still have had to pay him if they amnestied him.

DetroitSho · Post #19 » by **DetroitSho** » Thu May 1, 2014 10:40 pm

Clarity wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:Dude, that was OWNERSHIP not Presti.

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Ownership is about numbers, if they would have cut lose that bum Perkins the numbers would have fit.

Mind boggling mistake.

Do you think Presti played eenie meenie minie mo one day between Perkins and Harden and landed on Perkins at the end and figured in the spirit of the game he had to choose Perk? You're better than the simple explanation you just gave.

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DetroitSho · Post #20 » by **DetroitSho** » Thu May 1, 2014 10:42 pm

Sheeeeed wrote:
Clarity wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:Dude, that was OWNERSHIP not Presti.

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Ownership is about numbers, if they would have cut lose that bum Perkins the numbers would have fit.

Mind boggling mistake.

The ownership would still have had to pay him if they amnestied him.

This. They wasn't willing to pay him to go away. It's not that hard.

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