Jackson Fired - more competition for a coach

Post #1 » by **theBigLip** » Tue May 6, 2014 9:19 pm

Not surprisingly, Mark Jackson got fired today. That's actually not good for us. It just opens up a good coaching opportunity, a much more desirable job than Detroit. So that means one less coach available for us, unless we would consider Jackson. He is pretty firmly based in Southern California, so I don't know if he wants an East Coast (or Midwest) job.

DBC10 · Post #2 » by **DBC10** » Tue May 6, 2014 9:21 pm

Well if Schlenk is our new GM, then I think it's safe to say MJ won't come here since there was a report that Jackson had no allies inside the FO.

That and he's a solid West coast man.

rmfc · Post #3 » by **rmfc** » Tue May 6, 2014 9:34 pm

Hope we get Schlenk.

Blkbrd671 · Post #4 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue May 6, 2014 11:29 pm

theBigLip wrote:Not surprisingly, Mark Jackson got fired today. That's actually not good for us. It just opens up a good coaching opportunity, a much more desirable job than Detroit. So that means one less coach available for us, unless we would consider Jackson. He is pretty firmly based in Southern California, so I don't know if he wants an East Coast (or Midwest) job.

i think MJ coachs else where, meaning that while he created a coaching vacany he'll more than likely fill another one. i hope we don't go after him. While i think he's a good coach, i don't think he commands respect, exudes detroit style of Bball, and will be any better than Cheeks.

Q00 · Post #5 » by **Q00** » Tue May 6, 2014 11:40 pm

I think this is very good for us, actually. Sure it opens another job, but it also adds another great candidate to the mix. Latest rumors say Kerr is very interested in the Warriors job too (someone I don't think any Pistons fan wants anyways). So this is good news to me. I'd more than happy to get Jackson. He might not be the best coach on the market, but I think he could be the best fit for this team. He took over a similar level of young talent in GS that we have now, and turned them into a legit contender within 2-3 years. I think he's getting underrated as a strategic coach too. He's better than just a motivator, in my opinion. He turned that historically soft Warriors frachise into a top 5 defense. They were 4th in Drtg and 10th in points allowed this year. That's pretty impressive for a team with a bunch of soft defenders like Curry, Klay, and Lee.

As for him wanting to stay on the West Coast, he's from NY so I don't think he would be opposed to coming East at all. He might even prefer us, in terms of location, as we are the closest city to NY of all the jobs available.

Q00 · Post #6 » by **Q00** » Tue May 6, 2014 11:48 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:While i think he's a good coach, i don't think he commands respect, exudes detroit style of Bball, and will be any better than Cheeks.

I couldn't disagree more. He's one of the best coaches in the league at commanding respect. Even though management was against him, he had all his players backing him, and you could tell just by watching them that all those players went to war for him. He also absolutely exudes detroit basketball fundamentals, and he's a much better coach than Cheeks.

Kilo · Post #7 » by **Kilo** » Tue May 6, 2014 11:55 pm

I read that he really pushes his Christian faith on his team, works if you're a fellow believer, not so much otherwise.

MotownMadness · Post #8 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue May 6, 2014 11:55 pm

I wouldnt be all that upset if we ended up with him. You can definitely do worse than Mark Jackson as your head coach.

Clarity · Post #9 » by **Clarity** » Tue May 6, 2014 11:59 pm

That firing is so post Run TMC - drafting Steph of the Warriors. You're reminded how a crappy franchise stays crappy for so long.

That said Mark Jackson would be a phenomenal hire. The Warriors have talent but they were soft as tissues & couldnt spell defense before Mark instilled that in them. He is a no excuses guy, we need that badly.

No way he would coach a jerk off like Josh Smith though. He despises low IQ ball players.

Blkbrd671 · Post #10 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:00 am

Q00 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:While i think he's a good coach, i don't think he commands respect, exudes detroit style of Bball, and will be any better than Cheeks.

I couldn't disagree more. He's one of the best coaches in the league at commanding respect. Even though management was against him, he had all his players backing him, and you could tell just by watching them that all those players went to war for him. He also absolutely exudes detroit basketball fundamentals, and he's a much better coach than Cheeks.

The last thing we need on this team is a coach whom his bosses hated. Most players will back there coach, he's in the trenches with them everyday. At the end of the day he couldn't get the job done. Also we have completely different personnel on this team, MJ has never had a player like Josh smith. He sounds like a diva requesting 2 different ppl away from his team. We don't need that drama. MJ has definitely benefited from having the best scoring backcourt in the league,not to mention 3 other allstars.

Post #11 » by **dVs33** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:02 am

Kilo wrote:I read that he really pushes his Christian faith on his team, works if you're a fellow believer, not so much otherwise.

i've heard this too. It's not a good sign.
Having a HOF PG who can actually coach mentoring jennings would be great, but if he's a religious nut, it won't work for everyone.

DBC10 · Post #12 » by **DBC10** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:09 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:
Q00 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:While i think he's a good coach, i don't think he commands respect, exudes detroit style of Bball, and will be any better than Cheeks.

I couldn't disagree more. He's one of the best coaches in the league at commanding respect. Even though management was against him, he had all his players backing him, and you could tell just by watching them that all those players went to war for him. He also absolutely exudes detroit basketball fundamentals, and he's a much better coach than Cheeks.

The last thing we need on this team is a coach whom his bosses hated. Most players will back there coach, he's in the trenches with them everyday. At the end of the day he couldn't get the job done. Also we have completely different personnel on this team, MJ has never had a player like Josh smith. He sounds like a diva requesting 2 different ppl away from his team. We don't need that drama. MJ has definitely benefited from having the best scoring backcourt in the league,not to mention 3 other allstars.

Agreed. Josh Smith is a bonafide coach killer, barking at coaches between Cheeks and Loyer in this season alone. In Atlanta, he was a factor that drove Woody out of town after trying to get him to stop settling for 3s all the time and while him having a career season as well.

If we're hiring MJ, get rid of Smith, don't let Smith near anywhere near our coaching staff.

Kilo · Post #13 » by **Kilo** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:18 am

dVs33 wrote:
Kilo wrote:I read that he really pushes his Christian faith on his team, works if you're a fellow believer, not so much otherwise.

i've heard this too. It's not a good sign.
Having a HOF PG who can actually coach mentoring jennings would be great, but if he's a religious nut, it won't work for everyone.

Then again - no coach works for everybody. Also Phil Jackson was dubbed the Zen Master for a reason and his style didn't work for everybody either. Either you can buy in or you can't - doesn't make you a bad player or bad coach, it's about the proper fit of players and coach. Which is why you need a coach with some longevity in order to get his type of players on the team while moving out the players who don't fit/buy in.

Post #14 » by **dVs33** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:22 am

Kilo wrote:
dVs33 wrote:
Kilo wrote:I read that he really pushes his Christian faith on his team, works if you're a fellow believer, not so much otherwise.

i've heard this too. It's not a good sign.
Having a HOF PG who can actually coach mentoring jennings would be great, but if he's a religious nut, it won't work for everyone.

Then again - no coach works for everybody. Also Phil Jackson was dubbed the Zen Master for a reason and his style didn't work for everybody either. Either you can buy in or you can't - doesn't make you a bad player or bad coach, it's about the proper fit of players and coach. Which is why you need a coach with some longevity in order to get his type of players on the team while moving out the players who don't fit/buy in.

that's true. Obviously not everyone gets along, but i feel like if he's overly pushy with his beliefs he'll be isolating more players than he helps. Personally i'd avoid him unless all other options are gone.

rmfc · Post #15 » by **rmfc** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:23 am

Yeah... no to Mark Jackson.

Q00 · Post #16 » by **Q00** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:26 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:
Q00 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:While i think he's a good coach, i don't think he commands respect, exudes detroit style of Bball, and will be any better than Cheeks.

I couldn't disagree more. He's one of the best coaches in the league at commanding respect. Even though management was against him, he had all his players backing him, and you could tell just by watching them that all those players went to war for him. He also absolutely exudes detroit basketball fundamentals, and he's a much better coach than Cheeks.

The last thing we need on this team is a coach whom his bosses hated. Most players will back there coach, he's in the trenches with them everyday. At the end of the day he couldn't get the job done. Also we have completely different personnel on this team, MJ has never had a player like Josh smith. He sounds like a diva requesting 2 different ppl away from his team. We don't need that drama. MJ has definitely benefited from having the best scoring backcourt in the league,not to mention 3 other allstars.

Well if you're taking that stance, might as well just not hire anyone and go into hibernation for the next 3 years until Smith's contract expires.

For one, the only guaranteed player to be on this roster next year is Drummond anyways. So I wouldn't just assume Smith will even still be here, but if he is, he's succeeded on some good playoff teams in Atlanta with much mentally weaker coaches than Jackson. I think he would actually be a great coach for Smith, with his no nonsense approach. That's the kind of coach Smith needs. But ultimately its about Drummond, and I think he needs someone like Jackson who can keep him motivated, because he does have a tendency to get down on himself when he misses FTs or gets beat on defense, etc. I think a spiritual type of leader would be good for him.

Q00 · Post #17 » by **Q00** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:33 am

Kilo wrote:I read that he really pushes his Christian faith on his team, works if you're a fellow believer, not so much otherwise.

John Wooden was also very into pushing his religious beliefs on players and using it as part of his teaching method.

DBC10 · Post #18 » by **DBC10** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:33 am

A great breakdown from /r/warriors and I assume they know more about MJ than anyone. And we're not bringing MJ here anywhere near Smith, if this season is any indication, it'll be counter-intuitive since Smith will likely implode mid season like he did with Cheeks and Loyer. He has to go for MJ to work his magic in his magical motivation. He's a good motivational coach, that's about it.

It wouldn't make me hate it, but our record wouldn't really be all that much better regardless.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/24 ... at/chaawv8

rmfc · Post #19 » by **rmfc** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:40 am

DBC10 wrote:A great breakdown from /r/warriors and I assume they know more about MJ than anyone. And we're not bringing MJ here anywhere near Smith, if this season is any indication, it'll be counter-intuitive since Smith will likely implode mid season like he did with Cheeks and Loyer. He has to go for MJ to work his magic in his magical motivation. He's a good motivational coach, that's about it.

It wouldn't make me hate it, but our record wouldn't really be all that much better regardless.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/24 ... at/chaawv8

Thanks for the link!

Blkbrd671 · Post #20 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:50 am

Q00 wrote:
Well if you're taking that stance, might as well just not hire anyone and go into hibernation for the next 3 years until Smith's contract expires.

All i'm saying is there's a diffrence between Steph Curry and David Lee respecting a coach and Jennings and Smith Respecting a coach. Marc Jackson and Cheeks are both considered player coaches.

For one, the only guaranteed player to be on this roster next year is Drummond anyways. So I wouldn't just assume Smith will even still be here, but if he is, he's succeeded on some good playoff teams in Atlanta with much mentally weaker coaches than Jackson.

Actually all of our players under contract are guaranteed to be on the roster next year. So its more likely that smith is here than not. Also what makes woodson mentally weaker?

I think he would actually be a great coach for Smith, with his no nonsense approach. That's the kind of coach Smith needs. But ultimately its about Drummond, and I think he needs someone like Jackson who can keep him motivated, because he does have a tendency to get down on himself when he misses FTs or gets beat on defense, etc. I think a spiritual type of leader would be good for him.

You may have a point, but isn't that what Sheed was hired for. To always be in his ear? Your seeing this team as we are building around Dre, hwoever this is not reality. Our roster is a cluster f*, we need to hire a coach that can make this cluster f* work. I don't think we need a coach that can be there best friend, i think we need a coach that can lead