Drafting without a GM/Coach

[epheisey]

There was an article here on RealGM where Gores right hand man stated they would be ok entering the draft without a GM or coach in place.

WTF?! Gores is an embarrassment to Jerry Jones. If Gores and his cronies are left to do the drafting, I give up. I'm sure they still have front office staff to advise them, but this clearly puts someone into a position of power that they don't deserve, or they would be getting an opportunity at the job openings we have.

That article just makes my blood boil. The fact that Gores' guy thinks they are capable of handling the draft is frustrating. It shows what direction this franchise is truly headed, and that's not a good place.

[joseph mamah]

Its been pretty clear that we've had a bunch of buffoons running this thing for a while now, nothing they do surprises me anymore.

[MotownMadness]

I really hope we can get our GM in here before the draft. Were going to have every team in the league trying to call to take advantage of Gores stooges in trades for that pick. But it's important for the new GM to draft his own player and sign his own coach.

[Sheeeeed]

There was an article here on RealGM where Gores right hand man stated they would be ok entering the draft without a GM or coach in place.

WTF?! Gores is an embarrassment to Jerry Jones. If Gores and his cronies are left to do the drafting, I give up. I'm sure they still have front office staff to advise them, but this clearly puts someone into a position of power that they don't deserve, or they would be getting an opportunity at the job openings we have.

That article just makes my blood boil. The fact that Gores' guy thinks they are capable of handling the draft is frustrating. It shows what direction this franchise is truly headed, and that's not a good place.

Gores guys from Platinum Equity aren't the ones that are handling the draft and FA process. Ken Catanella and George David are the ones handling it until a GM is hired.

Barnhill never said they'd be ok having no GM at the draft.

Dery: Do you anticipate the new GM being in place by the draft, or is that not necessarily the case?

Barnhill: I think that's hard to say. It's not necessarily the case. We'll just have to see how this process plays out.

[wallace72]

Well if we draft without a GM or a HC, maybe we should ask
Zeke, just for draftnight, his opinion, in the past he did a decent
job drafting relative good players,
Opinions ?

[ImHeisenberg]

Well, there's a chance Detroit doesn't even have a first round pick this year. So, if the pick goes to Charlotte, who cares, right?

I think they really want to get the GM hiring right, and hopefully said GM makes the correct coach hiring.

George David is handling the pre-draft duties. It's not as if he's inexperienced in the process.

I'm not too worried about it. If we jump into the top 3 (I'd bet the farm it won't happen), it's a relatively easy pick to make unless you're picking #1 and choosing between Wiggins and Parker. If Detroit stays at 8, it's a Dumars-type pick, where they'll likely just take whomever falls to them from that second tier of players.

This team's draft is already decided for them due to their weak position in it.

[Q00]

The weird thing to me is if Gores trusts David enough to make his draft selection, and potentially even handle FA if it comes to that, why doesn't he just name him the GM permanantly?

Isn't that what he's going through this long drawn out process for, to identify a candidate who he trusts enough to make these type of major decisions for him?

And if he's willing to put that trust in David so easily, why is taking him so long to identify the permanent GM?

Heck, why didn't he just keep Joe on to make the pick? Isn't he a lot more qualified than David?

The whole thing is a mess to me. Its a joke that we could have a guy making our draft pick - a move that could affect the next 10 years of our franchise - and then 2 weeks later he won't even be with the organization ever again.

Can you imagine if we end up with the 1st overall pick and could have David deciding the fate of our franchise for the next 20 years? If it ended up another Darko situation where he chose the wrong guy, Gores would have to sell the team and go into a witness protection program from this fanbase lol.

[imagump1313]

I saw the article in the Detroit News and heard the radio interview. It is just laughable watching a bunch of corporate yahoos running around trying to pass themselves off as experts on the NBA. This franchise is doomed. I had a sinking feeling when this clown bought the franchise. There are plenty of owners in this league who don't know basketball, but those owners have people who know basketball already in place and let the basketball people worry about basketball.

In the short time this guy has owned the team he has turned it from a storied respected franchise into the NBA's version of the Detroit Lions. Great Job! The only hope here is that the franchise today is probably worth a bunch more than what he paid for it only a couple years ago so hopefully he cashes in soon. Take your money and run Gores, please!

[Pharaoh]

We had a basketball guy run the franchise...and he ran it into the ground!

Twice in 5 years he had significant cap space and twice he blew it!

The fact is our scouts and executives still working have been looking at the potential draftees for years! To think they don't know what they're doing is foolish.

Obviously who Gores hires as GM is vital to the future of this franchise...to assume Gores is willing to let David roll on through the Draft and free agency is speculation at this point.

What we know is that while we're looking at GM candidates we also have quite a lot if people working towards the draft...

And if you think the #8 pick in this Draft determines the fate of this organization for the next 5 or 10 or 20 years...you've got to be joking

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[Kilo]

^Exactly. Getting the GM right is much more important than the 8th overall pick. Not that I think we won't have a GM and even Coach in place by the draft, I think all the talk that we might not is just to keep the questions and pressure off the GM Hunt team. I have hopes Gores is being so thorough with this GM hunt because he plans to turn the basketball side largely over to this hire and then be hands off - so it's vitally important they hire the right guy as this hire will impact the team for the next decade and will make or lose Gores tens of millions - if not more, with good or bad decisions. Equity guys don't run businesses, they hire the right people to run the businesses for them while raking in the owners share of the profit. Remember one of the criteria for the hire is to be the face of the franchise - that should tell you Gores doesn't want to be the public face owner type like Jones, Cuban and their like - hire the right guy and get out of their way.

I get confidence from the thoroughness of this process so far -CEO hunts take months and months, and the GM is the basketball side CEO for all intents and purposes. And prospective coaches should be as well. I mean if Dumars was still here we'd probably have already hired Mike Woodson.

A guy like Mike Zarren would be impressed with the thorough process I would assume and would be more open to coming here given the process rather than if it was a case of "I read an interview you gave to the local paper and like what you said - want the job?" type offer.

[Q00]

We had a basketball guy run the franchise...and he ran it into the ground!

Twice in 5 years he had significant cap space and twice he blew it!

The fact is our scouts and executives still working have been looking at the potential draftees for years! To think they don't know what they're doing is foolish.

Obviously who Gores hires as GM is vital to the future of this franchise...to assume Gores is willing to let David roll on through the Draft and free agency is speculation at this point.

What we know is that while we're looking at GM candidates we also have quite a lot if people working towards the draft...

And if you think the #8 pick in this Draft determines the fate of this organization for the next 5 or 10 or 20 years...you've got to be joking

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First, Joe didn't run this franchise into the ground. He built a near dynasty and then father time took over and he went through a 5 year down period afterwards, like happens to all dynasties. If you don't believe me, go look up the 5 year records after their run ended of the 80s Celtics, 90s Bulls, and 80s Pistons, and we're likely seeing the same 5 year down period of the 00's Lakers right now. That doesn't mean those GM's ran their team into the ground. Their assets just all got old and they had to rebuild, and considering teams don't build new contenders every 5 years, its unrealistic to expect Joe to have done so. Most teams are lucky to have one contending team per decade.

As for David being qualified to make our pick, that's not the reason why its wrong to have him making the selection. He could be as qualified or more than the next GM, but ultimately it comes down to personal preference who a GM selects. At every spot in the draft, every team is presented with a group of players who are all in the same talent sphere, and it comes down to which they like best and who best fits their vision of what they are trying to build.

In terms of picking the most talented player on the board, sure David is capable of doing that. Obviously though, the vision David has for this team is going to be different than that of whoever the actual GM ends up being. So you can see why that would be a problem letting David make his selection for him.

And yes, if you mess up a top 10 pick it can absolutely affect your franchise for the next 5-10 years. If you mess up a #1 overall pick? It absolutely can affect your franchise for the next 20 years.

These are major decisions that should be made only by the person who is going to be in charge of building this team for that next 5, 10, 20 year period. Not some guy who has no GM experience and is likely to be working for another team a month from now.

[bballnmike]

They should let us, the REALgm's, make the pick. Fan vote

[ImHeisenberg]

They should let us, the REALgm's, make the pick. Fan vote

Hell no!

The vast majority of posters on here could get lost in a paper bag. The people on here that would make a logical non-homer choice, I could count on one hand.

[Southern Piston]

Everything is still in the air becuase of our draft position, if we end up with the first or second pick, all are options for coaching and gm will drastically open up with more interest coming are way. If not I think we have a gm and coach about one week after thats determined.

[mercury]

It's more than making the right pick... the new GM will be brought into the franchise without an in depth understanding of the current situation... will he look at analytics and think that Jennings is passable without understanding the issues he has defensively?... will he understand who is not compatible in the locker room?... there are several areas that will require on the job research when it comes to making intelligent decisions for the future.
Hopefully Gores does not push for short term band aids.

[imagump1313]

First, Joe didn't run this franchise into the ground. He built a near dynasty and then father time took over and he went through a 5 year down period afterwards, like happens to all dynasties. If you don't believe me, go look up the 5 year records after their run ended of the 80s Celtics, 90s Bulls, and 80s Pistons, and we're likely seeing the same 5 year down period of the 00's Lakers right now. That doesn't mean those GM's ran their team into the ground. Their assets just all got old and they had to rebuild, and considering teams don't build new contenders every 5 years, its unrealistic to expect Joe to have done so. Most teams are lucky to have one contending team per decade.

Excellent observation.

From what they are saying by constantly spewing out "its a process" makes me believe they have no idea what they are doing.
The new GM should be hired first. The new GM should hire the coach, period(unless they are one in the same). The new GM should make the pick (if there is a pick), period. The ass backwards way they are going about this is maddening.

I have zero hope that this is going to work because they are treating this like they are hiring a manager to run the corporate help desk. There are soo many hands in the pot trying to make this decision that its never going to work. Hiring by committee is going to get them the safest, most non controversial hire they could possibly get because no one is going to have to stick their neck out. We are going to wind up with John Smith as GM with another lame retread coach because they are not going to be bold with this hire in the least. It's going to be as safe as it gets which will mean 8th playoff seed at best for years to come.

[Kilo]

Everything is still in the air becuase of our draft position, if we end up with the first or second pick, all are options for coaching and gm will drastically open up with more interest coming are way. If not I think we have a gm and coach about one week after thats determined.

Any perspective candidate who is holding out to see where the pick is should be disqualified from consideration instantly.

[Sheeeeed]

First, Joe didn't run this franchise into the ground. He built a near dynasty and then father time took over and he went through a 5 year down period afterwards, like happens to all dynasties. If you don't believe me, go look up the 5 year records after their run ended of the 80s Celtics, 90s Bulls, and 80s Pistons, and we're likely seeing the same 5 year down period of the 00's Lakers right now. That doesn't mean those GM's ran their team into the ground. Their assets just all got old and they had to rebuild, and considering teams don't build new contenders every 5 years, its unrealistic to expect Joe to have done so. Most teams are lucky to have one contending team per decade.

You'd have a point if Dumars had actually tried to rebuild instead of retooling by handing out a bunch of terrible contracts, with the intention of getting the playoffs.

I honestly don't believe this notion they want David making the draft pick, or they're fine having no GM by the draft. You don't put out there publicly you have a time table for a hire, otherwise the candidates might use that against them in negotiations.

Nothing but **** impatience. All the other GM hires last year didn't happen until towards the end of May or early June.

[Clarity]

Well, there's a chance Detroit doesn't even have a first round pick this year. So, if the pick goes to Charlotte, who cares, right?

I think they really want to get the GM hiring right, and hopefully said GM makes the correct coach hiring.

George David is handling the pre-draft duties. It's not as if he's inexperienced in the process.

I'm not too worried about it. If we jump into the top 3 (I'd bet the farm it won't happen), it's a relatively easy pick to make unless you're picking #1 and choosing between Wiggins and Parker. If Detroit stays at 8, it's a Dumars-type pick, where they'll likely just take whomever falls to them from that second tier of players.

This team's draft is already decided for them due to their weak position in it.

Good Post as usual.

[Clarity]

You'd have a point if Dumars had actually tried to rebuild instead of retooling by handing out a bunch of terrible contracts, with the intention of getting the playoffs.

Ironically, BG, CV, Josh & Jennings have actually moved us further away from the playoffs.

BG & CV I honestly gave him passes for, CV's deal at the time wasnt horrendous & BG was coming off a very good season plus we didnt have a core like Monroe & Drummond.

Jennings & even more so Josh were just mind boggling mistakes.