The Player Who Will Save Our Franchise...

Entourage27 · Post #1 » by **Entourage27** » Wed May 21, 2014 7:14 am

After one of the worst days in Pistons history Stan Van Gundy will need a player to step in that franchise and save our team from another title drought. He can maybe find that player in the 2nd round (highly unlikely), trades, or through free angency. But lastly he can look to our own locker room and really depend on that player for a big year and that player is Kid Can't Play himself Kentavious Caldwell-Pope.

SVG will groom him to become the exact player he has the potential to be. Courtney Lee turned into a very solid role player for the Magic team that made the finals in 2010. He was a rookie back then and wasn't (and stil isn't) the type of athlete KCP is. KCP has all star potential that he flashed in college and even from a select few games from his rookie season. We know that the kid has at least All-Defensive Team potential. SVG will gell elevate his game to All-Star status.

I can see him becoming a mixture of Aaron Afflalo and Demar Derozan. KCP will improve his game greatly this upcoming season and help us to make the playoffs, even if its 6-8 seed which is where I project them to be.

What are your guys' thoughts on this and do you think SVG has what it takes to make this happen with all of KCP's talents?

Finn McCool · Post #2 » by **Finn McCool** » Wed May 21, 2014 7:41 am

Van Gundy is the worst thing that could have happened for KCP. Stan is notoriously over-critical in chastising players. KCP seems to be the kind of guy that works better with a more gentle, confidence-building approach. JMHO

tmorgan · Post #3 » by **tmorgan** » Wed May 21, 2014 7:44 am

Don't confuse over-critical with speaking his mind honestly. Stan will indeed call you out if you screw up, but he's also a real teacher with a real plan. I don't get the sense that KCP is thin-skinned, and I think the chance to work with a real coach will be a big positive. Cheeks is an embarrassment to coaching, and Loyer had no business sitting in the big chair.

Finn McCool · Post #4 » by **Finn McCool** » Wed May 21, 2014 8:02 am

tmorgan wrote:Don't confuse over-critical with speaking his mind honestly. Stan will indeed call you out if you screw up, but he's also a real teacher with a real plan. I don't get the sense that KCP is thin-skinned, and I think the chance to work with a real coach will be a big positive. Cheeks is an embarrassment to coaching, and Loyer had no business sitting in the big chair.

Maybe I came off as some kind of know-it-all, but forgive me if I think you are doing the same. No disrespect, Unless you know SVG personally or have worked side-by-side with him, I'm inclined to believe my own observations. I never suggested KCP was thin-skinned, but rather needing reaffirmation. I haven't met many people in my lifetime who respond well to guys with a personality like SVG. I dislike the guy. I'm willing to believe that you will change your opinion of him before I do.

tmorgan · Post #5 » by **tmorgan** » Wed May 21, 2014 8:25 am

I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Do you enjoy trying to make arguments personal? You expressed your opinion, I expressed mine. Lighten up, Francis.

Finn McCool · Post #6 » by **Finn McCool** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:07 am

tmorgan wrote:I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Do you enjoy trying to make arguments personal? You expressed your opinion, I expressed mine. Lighten up, Francis.

I returned with a rebuttal. If you felt personally attacked for my know-it-all remark, realize you are the one suggesting I am confused. I don't even know how to respond, but I assure you I wasn't going Psycho on you. I usually love quoting Sgt. Hulka myself. Maybe in the future you can choose not to engage in discussion with me and I'll return the favor. I'm not a young buck and am not here to irk anyone. If you got upset over my words, I apologize. Peace.

Pharaoh · Post #7 » by **Pharaoh** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:13 am

From everything I've seen, read & heard about SVG he's the perfect coach for KCP.

SVG values skill & workers

SVG will chastise you for breaking away from his system

SVG is fiercely loyal

SVG hopes he's not blunt, but is honest

Unless KCP is going to be lazy or refuses to get with the program SVG won't have a problem

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Finn McCool · Post #8 » by **Finn McCool** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:24 am

Pharaoh wrote:From everything I've seen, read & heard about SVG he's the perfect coach for KCP.

Unless KCP is going to be lazy or refuses to get with the program SVG won't have a problem

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KCP is an aquarius... aquarius people are known to be extremely hard workers from my experience.

Laimbeer · Post #9 » by **Laimbeer** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:36 am

SVG might help if KCP's problem was lack of discipline or effort. But it isn't, he just wasn't playing well. Coach can't make shots for him.

RSCD3_ · Post #10 » by **RSCD3_** » Wed May 21, 2014 11:52 am

Laimbeer wrote:SVG might help if KCP's problem was lack of discipline or effort. But it isn't, he just wasn't playing well. Coach can't make shots for him.

A lot of good shooters off the bounce have to adjust to shooting off the catch/ off a pick. Aaron afflalo was a dreadful shooter his first year and KCP is a very close player to him except maybe more athletic

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Ghost · Post #11 » by **Ghost** » Wed May 21, 2014 11:55 am

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Not sure if KCP could become an all-star, but I believe he could become a very good two-way player for us. That being said, I think you're looking at the wrong guy.

ImHeisenberg · Post #12 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed May 21, 2014 12:00 pm

For KCP to make a marked improvement, they need to get Josh Smith out of the way. Just taking those 20 bad shots and re-distributing them will be a net positive for the Pistons and KCP.

Jennings is probably sticking around, but he primarily deferred to Smith last season. If Smith were gone, he would probably be more liberal with his passing. Probably, maybe.

Sheedpocalypse · Post #13 » by **Sheedpocalypse** » Wed May 21, 2014 1:20 pm

Finn McCool wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:From everything I've seen, read & heard about SVG he's the perfect coach for KCP.

Unless KCP is going to be lazy or refuses to get with the program SVG won't have a problem

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KCP is an aquarius... aquarius people are known to be extremely hard workers from my experience.

I think you need to re-up on the differences between astronomy and astrology and which of them is an actual science.

kurtis48239 · Post #14 » by **kurtis48239** » Wed May 21, 2014 1:24 pm

Finn McCool wrote:
tmorgan wrote:Don't confuse over-critical with speaking his mind honestly. Stan will indeed call you out if you screw up, but he's also a real teacher with a real plan. I don't get the sense that KCP is thin-skinned, and I think the chance to work with a real coach will be a big positive. Cheeks is an embarrassment to coaching, and Loyer had no business sitting in the big chair.

Maybe I came off as some kind of know-it-all, but forgive me if I think you are doing the same. No disrespect, Unless you know SVG personally or have worked side-by-side with him, I'm inclined to believe my own observations. I never suggested KCP was thin-skinned, but rather needing reaffirmation. I haven't met many people in my lifetime who respond well to guys with a personality like SVG. I dislike the guy. I'm willing to believe that you will change your opinion of him before I do.

Iam with tmorgan on this,svg is more known for getting on players that are lazy or do stupid things on the court.Take for example,the howard situation,even after all of that they reconziled and talk to each other on the phone.Alot of the magic players still talk to stan and have nothing but nice things to say about him in interviews.That leads me to believe hes a father figure in that lockerroom,when your bad he gives you alittle yank to get you back on track,and when your doing what your supposed to do you get a pat on the back and a (good job).

Post #15 » by **dVs33** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:06 pm

I think i'm higher on KCP than most here. I saw a lot to like in KCP last year. I don't like to judge a rookie on their numbers. That probably sounds stupid, but i don't think it's fair.
He showed glimpses of a good all round scorer. He has nice shooting form and a willingness to attack the rim. He needs to work on his catch and shoot, but that will come with time. From all reports he's a hard working, no nonsense kid.
i think if he gains the trust of SVG and gets more freedom, he can take a big step forward next season. The Afflalo/Derozen hybrid comparison is spot on.

MotownMadness · Post #16 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:11 pm

We need KCP to really come out next season now for sure. We still have some young talent like KCP, Monroe and Drummond so we should be ok in the East with Stan around. But we need to get ahold of one of Bledsoe or Lowry.

rmfc · Post #17 » by **rmfc** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:14 pm

I am high on KCP as well (not too high prior to the draft, though). He did show some good things during the season. The defense is legit. The shooting mechanics are fine.

This next season will show us what he can really be in the NBA (assuming SVG doesn't go fully dummy like some of our previous head coaches).

Give him one full season at SG and go from there.

rmfc · Post #18 » by **rmfc** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:18 pm

MotownMadness wrote:We need KCP to really come out next season now for sure. We still have some young talent like KCP, Monroe and Drummond so we should be ok in the East with Stan around. But we need to get ahold of one of Bledsoe or Lowry.

As has been discussed already, Bledsoe/Lowry would be tough to get. SVG and co.need to find do the next Bledsoe type guys. May be, target a player like Reggie Jackson or a Dennis Schroeder?

Edit: Or make Jennings run the offense and stop his chucking ways....and may be start playing some real defense as well?

Yeah...whichever is easier to accomplish.

Kilo · Post #19 » by **Kilo** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:20 pm

Last season was a gong show here with Cheeks being shite, then being fired to bring in lame duck Loyer, with Dumars being the lame duck absentee GM as well and thus letting Jennings and Smith aka the inmates run the asylum. I think very highly of Pope and think he will be a big break out candidate with the stability provided by Stan next season. I do think the Pistons will bring in a starting SG though, with Pope not being handed anything - Maybe an Eric Gordon or Tyreke Evans with Asik going to the Pellies and Smoove to Houston or something. Houston will have to strike out on Love first though, we could be plan B with them.

MotownMadness · Post #20 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed May 21, 2014 2:23 pm

rmfc wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:We need KCP to really come out next season now for sure. We still have some young talent like KCP, Monroe and Drummond so we should be ok in the East with Stan around. But we need to get ahold of one of Bledsoe or Lowry.

As has been discussed already, Bledsoe/Lowry would be tough to get. SVG and co.need to find do the next Bledsoe type guys. May be, target a player like Reggie Jackson or a Dennis Schroeder?

Edit: Or make Jennings run the offense and stop his chucking ways....and may be start playing some real defense as well?

Yeah...whichever is easier to accomplish.

I know theyre unlikely but they should still be our #1 targets. Is Reggie a FA?