Darren Collison a free agent

DCintheD · Post #1 » by **DCintheD** » Thu May 29, 2014 8:02 am

Can we finally pursue this guy once and for all? I've been wanting him on the Pistons since his rookie year. He'd be a perfect backup giving a solid 25 mins a game. Get rid of Bynum and give this kid a reasonable deal. He'll challenge Jennings everyday in practice too. He's small but he's fiesty on d and skilled as a pg.

I'd offer him a 3 year deal for $10-12M (we'd have to buyout Bynum and decline Chauncey)

paQo the BAWSER · Post #2 » by **paQo the BAWSER** » Thu May 29, 2014 8:35 am

If he comes here he's going to be the starter PG, not the backup (at least if we keep Jennings). I love him, I'd offer a better contract for him no doubt.

epheisey · Post #3 » by **epheisey** » Thu May 29, 2014 10:11 am

I would imagine Collison will get a bigger payday than 3/12m, this is the NBA, where even average players get overpaid in free agency. Also, unless I'm mistaken, we don't have the option to decline Chauncey, that's a player option. Added in with the cost to buy out bynum, it's not worth it in my opinion. The slight talent improvement over bynum, for the considerable increase in salary, isn't a good use of salary for me.

aad · Post #4 » by **aad** » Thu May 29, 2014 10:51 am

No billups is a team option

ImHeisenberg · Post #5 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Thu May 29, 2014 12:58 pm

Why are people still high on Collison? His rookie season was his best season, by a wide margin. He struggled in Indiana, and was eventually benched.

Neptune · Post #6 » by **Neptune** » Thu May 29, 2014 1:15 pm

DCintheD wrote:I'd offer him a 3 year deal for $10-12M (we'd have to buyout Bynum and decline Chauncey)

I think Jennings will improve a lot this season and I expect he'll play a ton of minutes. I'd probably pass on Collison, we already have Bynum and Siva as our backup's and they're both on reasonably cheap contracts.

rmfc · Post #7 » by **rmfc** » Thu May 29, 2014 2:13 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:Why are people still high on Collison? His rookie season was his best season, by a wide margin. He struggled in Indiana, and was eventually benched.

This.

Why all the fascination with Collison? The guys showed some talent when he was with NO. After that, he has always shown that he is a very inconsistent players with not very good instincts when running an offense. He makes the wrong choice more often than not. Add to that, he is passive and he has no 3-ppint range to his game. He is a backup.....at best.

No to Collison.

Billl · Post #8 » by **Billl** » Thu May 29, 2014 2:13 pm

Neptune wrote:
DCintheD wrote:I'd offer him a 3 year deal for $10-12M (we'd have to buyout Bynum and decline Chauncey)

I think Jennings will improve a lot this season and I expect he'll play a ton of minutes. I'd probably pass on Collison, we already have Bynum and Siva as our backup's and they're both on reasonably cheap contracts.

His rookie season wasn't his best by a wide margin. He just hasn't progressed much. His scoring is flat. His assists were down this year since he didn't have the ball in his hands as much. He's a decent defender. He he shoots a good percentage from the floor and from distance. He's not a star, or even a starter IMO, but he'd be a heck of a backup. He would certainly be a big improvement for us. The big problem would be that we would have to overpay to get him and we already have a slightly overpriced backup pg.

wallace72 · Post #9 » by **wallace72** » Thu May 29, 2014 2:30 pm

rmfc wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:Why are people still high on Collison? His rookie season was his best season, by a wide margin. He struggled in Indiana, and was eventually benched.

This.

Why all the fascination with Collison? The guys showed some talent when he was with NO. After that, he has always shown that he is a very inconsistent players with not very good instincts when running an offense. He makes the wrong choice more often than not. Add to that, he is passive and he has no 3-ppint range to his game. He is a backup.....at best.

No to Collison.

At the moment everything is better than Jennings at pg...........
Hope fully he proofs me wrong this year.......

Southern Piston · Post #10 » by **Southern Piston** » Thu May 29, 2014 3:34 pm

3yr/27m contract for him, overlapping Jennings by one yr, then offer the othr Clipper Granger 2y 17m, and I think you let it play out. This help plus SVG coaching, we can sneak in the playoffs, win, and mature for two seasons until we can overhaul more.

Notanoob · Post #11 » by **Notanoob** » Thu May 29, 2014 3:38 pm

Southern Piston wrote:3yr/27m contract for him, overlapping Jennings by one yr, then offer the othr Clipper Granger 2y 17m, and I think you let it play out. This help plus SVG coaching, we can sneak in the playoffs, win, and mature for two seasons until we can overhaul more.

That's a horrible overpay for both of them. Have you seen Granger play this year? The guy is done. He can't provide much of anything.

MotownMadness · Post #12 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu May 29, 2014 3:56 pm

Southern Piston wrote:3yr/27m contract for him, overlapping Jennings by one yr, then offer the othr Clipper Granger 2y 17m, and I think you let it play out. This help plus SVG coaching, we can sneak in the playoffs, win, and mature for two seasons until we can overhaul more.

Way too much for Collison

DetroitSho · Post #13 » by **DetroitSho** » Thu May 29, 2014 4:05 pm

Southern Piston wrote:3yr/27m contract for him, overlapping Jennings by one yr, then offer the othr Clipper Granger 2y 17m, and I think you let it play out. This help plus SVG coaching, we can sneak in the playoffs, win, and mature for two seasons until we can overhaul more.

What has gotten into you people?

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HotelVitale · Post #14 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu May 29, 2014 4:12 pm

Billl wrote: His rookie season wasn't his best by a wide margin. He just hasn't progressed much. His scoring is flat. His assists were down this year since he didn't have the ball in his hands as much. He's a decent defender. He he shoots a good percentage from the floor and from distance. He's not a star, or even a starter IMO, but he'd be a heck of a backup. He would certainly be a big improvement for us. The big problem would be that we would have to overpay to get him and we already have a slightly overpriced backup pg.

He's actually had very very similar per-minute numbers every year since his rookie year (with a brief dip the one year in Indy). I watch a lot of Clippers too, and he's a legit player: hard to stay in front of, gives great effort, can shoot from all over. (He's small so he doesn't finish much from the paint.) His PER has been above average for almost all of his career too, hovering around the 16-17 range.

That said, I agree that he's not moving the needle for us as a starter. He's the type of guy that's a coup if you can get him for cheap (like the <$2m he's getting this season) but that is a gamble at midlevel and a bad idea above that.

HotelVitale · Post #15 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu May 29, 2014 4:13 pm

Southern Piston wrote:3yr/27m contract for him, overlapping Jennings by one yr, then offer the othr Clipper Granger 2y 17m, and I think you let it play out. This help plus SVG coaching, we can sneak in the playoffs, win, and mature for two seasons until we can overhaul more.

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Kilo · Post #16 » by **Kilo** » Thu May 29, 2014 5:23 pm

Neptune wrote:
DCintheD wrote:I'd offer him a 3 year deal for $10-12M (we'd have to buyout Bynum and decline Chauncey)

I think Jennings will improve a lot this season and I expect he'll play a ton of minutes. I'd probably pass on Collison, we already have Bynum and Siva as our backup's and they're both on reasonably cheap contracts.

I think we need to bring in a veteran PG that could start over Jennings if Jennings doesn't buy into SVG system. Jennings needs the threat of decreased playing time to hopefully keep him in line and the threat of Bynum or Siva starting over him isn't going to do it.

Collison is not that veteran though.

joseph mamah · Post #17 » by **joseph mamah** » Thu May 29, 2014 5:35 pm

Id rather try to bring in Mills or Chalmers to push Jennings.

joeposh · Post #18 » by **joeposh** » Thu May 29, 2014 6:04 pm

Southern Piston wrote:3yr/27m contract for him, overlapping Jennings by one yr, then offer the othr Clipper Granger 2y 17m, and I think you let it play out. This help plus SVG coaching, we can sneak in the playoffs, win, and mature for two seasons until we can overhaul more.

Mr. Dumars, is that you?

Moose10Fan · Post #19 » by **Moose10Fan** » Thu May 29, 2014 9:39 pm

joseph mamah wrote:Id rather try to bring in Mills or Chalmers to push Jennings.

Mills perhaps.

Chalmers no, even if he can shoot the 3, I would hate to have the guy on this squad.

Moose10Fan · Post #20 » by **Moose10Fan** » Thu May 29, 2014 9:40 pm

joeposh wrote:
Southern Piston wrote:3yr/27m contract for him, overlapping Jennings by one yr, then offer the othr Clipper Granger 2y 17m, and I think you let it play out. This help plus SVG coaching, we can sneak in the playoffs, win, and mature for two seasons until we can overhaul more.

Mr. Dumars, is that you?

I concur, those are some bad contracts, Granger is done, and we pay him 8.5 a year, yikes.