The Big Gamble on Lance Stephenson

ComboGuardCity · Post #1 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:14 pm

Yeah, he's an absolute head case, but he was also the only one competing in that Pacers series. He can play 1-3 and would be part of an ideal 3 guard lineup with KCP and (J)ennings.

The real question is, can SVG keep his head straight? I think its a huge risk, but if we bring Billups back I think it makes it even more probable.

Jennings/Stephenson
Stephenson/KCP
Singler (need to find an upgrade)/KCP
Monroe/Singler
Drummond/Monroe

Should we go all in on Lance Stephenson

Neptune · Post #2 » by **Neptune** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:27 pm

I'm down to take a gamble on Stephenson!

3yrs/28mil would probably be our starting point.

wire28 · Post #3 » by **wire28** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:29 pm

no thank you

he is clearly one of the players where you enjoy his trolling and flopping from afar. not on your team

MotownMadness · Post #4 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:31 pm

Hes definitely talented and only 23 years old. His immaturity is just scary considering that we also have dumb asses like Jennings and Smith. Im going to say No to Lance which is hard to do because hes probably already a top 10 SG.

wallace72 · Post #5 » by **wallace72** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:33 pm

The point is,
we need a bit of Stephenson in our game,
but we don't need his headcase 'moments'
we have enough of them in Jennings & Smith

wallace72 · Post #6 » by **wallace72** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:33 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Hes definitely talented and only 23 years old. His immaturity is just scary considering that we also have dumb asses like Jennings and Smith. Im going to say No to Lance which is hard to do because hes probably already a top 10 SG.

x2

thesack12 · Post #7 » by **thesack12** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:36 pm

Absolutely not.

He's not nearly good enough to justify having to put up with his antics. I personally think that its no coincidence that once Granger left Indiana's cheistry/psyche/morale went straight into the crapper. Granger was capable f holding the team together, but once he departed Lance ran the roost and poisoned that team. Dude is a straight up bad seed.

Its not like he is a great player anyways. I don't know if I would even call him a good player. He handles the ball way more than he should, incessantly pounds the ball while doing so which usually leads to a bad shot up against the shot clock, and he's not a great creator or shooter.

Dude is a problem, Detroit simply doesn't need.

Neptune · Post #8 » by **Neptune** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:38 pm

You guys must have forgot, we're the Pistons. We take players who's considered so called, "headcases".

MotownMadness · Post #9 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:42 pm

Neptune wrote:You guys must have forgot, we're the Pistons. We take players who's considered so called, "headcases".

Its a new era now under SVG and this isnt the 80s anymore. The Bad Boys and 04 squads were very talented and smart. Not a bunch of immature dumb asses like Smith, Lance and Jennings.

The Penguin · Post #10 » by **The Penguin** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:43 pm

It depends.

If we are able to get Hayward / Deng / Ariza etc then get them over Lance. If we strike out on anyone who can come in and start at the 2/3 and/or can dump at least one of Smennings then I become more receptive to Lance.

Adding Lance to the idiot twins is going to lock us into all kinds of awful for the formative portion of Drummond's career.

Redeemed · Post #11 » by **Redeemed** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:48 pm

He's a talented headcase who was at the core of the chemistry issues in Indy. If he can take a potential title contending team and deep six them, think of the damage he would do to the Pistons. I could't imagine SVG wanting him or putting up with him. SVG already has a huge task on his hands with BJennings & Josh Smith. It makes no sense to add such a toxic individual to a fragile team.

Neptune · Post #12 » by **Neptune** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:52 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
Neptune wrote:You guys must have forgot, we're the Pistons. We take players who's considered so called, "headcases".

Its a new era now under SVG and this isnt the 80s anymore. The Bad Boys and 04 squads were very talented and smart. Not a bunch of immature dumb asses like Smith, Lance and Jennings.

Just like you said, we're under a new era with SVG now. SVG might be able to pull out Smith, Jennings, and Lance potential without the knucklehead antics. Lance is a 23yr old triple double waiting to happen, we can't afford to pass on that talent man.

Post #13 » by **dVs33** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:54 pm

He's not going to come cheap enough to take the gamble.
I'm not a fan

MotownMadness · Post #14 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:59 pm

Neptune wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
Neptune wrote:You guys must have forgot, we're the Pistons. We take players who's considered so called, "headcases".

Its a new era now under SVG and this isnt the 80s anymore. The Bad Boys and 04 squads were very talented and smart. Not a bunch of immature dumb asses like Smith, Lance and Jennings.

Just like you said, we're under a new era with SVG now. SVG might be able to pull out Smith, Jennings, and Lance potential without the knucklehead antics. Lance is a 23yr old triple double waiting to happen, we can't afford to pass on that talent man.

Neptune, you have the same view as Dumars as to where you just want to add anyone with talent regardless of fit. SVG is not going to start Smith at the 3 like you want and hes not going to go out and sign the one player that could possibly make this team dumber and more immature. We have Drummond and Monroe as our building blocks right now. We now have to go out and sign players that fit around them and help to excel theyre skill sets. Not that Lance wouldn't be a nice talent upgrade, Its just that we are the last team that needs a guy with character issues right now.

haulerch · Post #15 » by **haulerch** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:05 pm

I'm a fan of his game. Bulldog on defense. Attacks the rim with man strength. Has handles including a nice crossover. Can create his own offense. Can hit the three. I think his passing is underrated, and he can rebound.

His antics are what scare me. If we didn't already have Josh and Brandon then I would say yes. Can SVG and Billups handle Josh, Jennings, and Lance? Not sure. But he is definitely talented and would make a very good 3 guard line-up with Jennings and KCP. Plus at 23 he is young enough to grow with Drummond as part of our core.

ComboGuardCity · Post #16 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:29 pm

I expect Josh to be gone by the end of July. I understand he's deemed a headcase, but those same antics are considered 'savvy' when a guy like Battier or Fisher did it in the past. If Stan is truly going to create a winning culture, I can see Stephenson buying in.

DocRI · Post #17 » by **DocRI** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:37 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:I expect Josh to be gone by the end of July. I understand he's deemed a headcase, but those same antics are considered 'savvy' when a guy like Battier or Fisher did it in the past. If Stan is truly going to create a winning culture, I can see Stephenson buying in.

Battier and Fisher never did anything like blowing in an opponent's ear and then later picking his nose. Those aren't "savvy," they're just stupid (like J.R. Smith untying people's shoes).

This is hard because Lance is exactly the type of creative, facilitating wing I most want to add to the Pistons. Still, I voted no because I think his price tag is gonna be too high. I'd consider paying him what he'll command on the open market if he was a choir boy, and I'd consider taking a risk on him outgrowing his immaturity issues if he came cheaply; however, putting the two together makes Lance a really tough investment.

Notanoob · Post #18 » by **Notanoob** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:37 pm

I am not a fan of Lance for us. We have too many headaches here already to afford adding another one, especially since there is a chance that he regresses due to butting heads with SVG (IMO). If we had a stronger locker room, I'd consider it, but I don't think that Lance is worth the risk or the money.

And really, this guy wasn't even an All-Star in the East. He's a solid player, but he's getting built up to be a lot more than he really is. I mean, the Pacer's offense was terrible, with a star player in George to lead them, and a solid vet in David West who can bully guys and hit jumpers. If Lance really was all that on offense, shouldn't their offense have been less painful to watch? I don't mean to put the Pacers' offensive woes all on Lance. I'm just suggesting that he isn't a great offensive weapon yet. Jumper is only okay, a bit TO prone - he still has plenty of work to do on his game, and there is no guarantee that he reaches it, especially once he gets paid.

I'd rather let someone else take that gamble. We can find a secondary ballhandler elsewhere.

Post #19 » by **theBigLip** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:51 pm

Agree with most of the comments. He will drive a high price because I'm sure a few teams will be bidding on him, making it a tough choice for the Pacers. We don't need to get into this bidding war.

The other thing is where we are currently at. Getting someone like Stephenson might make sense if we needed one more offensive weapons to push for a title. We're not there yet. We are building our team. We should do that with players that are sane.

ComboGuardCity · Post #20 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:55 pm

DocRI wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:I expect Josh to be gone by the end of July. I understand he's deemed a headcase, but those same antics are considered 'savvy' when a guy like Battier or Fisher did it in the past. If Stan is truly going to create a winning culture, I can see Stephenson buying in.

Battier and Fisher never did anything like blowing in an opponent's ear and then later picking his nose. Those aren't "savvy," they're just stupid (like J.R. Smith untying people's shoes).

This is hard because Lance is exactly the type of creative, facilitating wing I most want to add to the Pistons. Still, I voted no because I think his price tag is gonna be too high. I'd consider paying him what he'll command on the open market if he was a choir boy, and I'd consider taking a risk on him outgrowing his immaturity issues if he came cheaply; however, putting the two together makes Lance a really tough investment.

Battier used to always put his hand on people's faces. As did Bowen. As did Fisher. Fisher used throw elbows at opposing players regularly. Hell, Chris Paul grabs peoples junk! I'm not saying we pay the guy 13mill a year, but if he can be had for 8-10 over 4 years, I'd do it.

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