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Are there any cheap vets/prospects you would like to see the Pistons target?

I'd like it if SVG could convince Rashard Lewis to come to Detroit on a cheap 2-3 year deal. He's old (34), but he understands team defense and can stretch the floor. You would have to give him more $ or more years to keep him from going back to Miami or joining another contender.

Anyone else?

Grantland wrote a big article last week about how close Ray Allen & Lewis are and how they've both made over $100 mil and now it's about winning titles. I imagine Rashard would take the vets min in Miami over signing here for 2-3 mil. The Lewis - Mike Miller - Caron Butler - Danny Granger type FAs are all in "I'll take less money for a chance to win" mode.



Unless we move the Smennings or stretch Jerebko and/or Bynum we are looking at the following scenarios:

1) Add one of Stephenson / Hayward /Ariza / Deng / Lowry / Isaiah Thomas and use the $2.5 mil room exemption for another rotation piece

or

2) target multiple guys like:
Evan Turner
Shaun Livingston
Greivis Vazquez
Mario Chalmers
Jodie Meeks
Patty Mills
Jordan Hill
Jerryd Bayless
Darren Collison
DeJuan Blair
DJ Augustin
Al-Farouq Aminu
PJ Tucker
Anthony Morrow
Wes Johnson



My ideal offseason is option 1 and land one of Hayward/Lance/Deng/Ariza who'll come in and start at one of the wing spots, then use our $2.5 mil exemption to add a pg like Mills/Bayless/Collison/Vasquez/Augustin/Chalmers who are young enough to fit with Drummroe and good enough to push Jennings.

If we can sign Anthony Morrow without going overboard, he would really fit. I don't really want any of their career guys. Rashard Lewis is a good 3 point shooter, but hes not a drastic improvement at SF that it would make sense to sign him. He would/could help, but hes also 34.

After that I would pretty much just look to guys who can provide depth. I don't really want to see them go nuts on someone unless its surefire. And I realize nothing is set in stone. But everyone knew Jennings/Smith wasn't going to help as much as be names and lets not start on Gordon/Villanueva.

The Pistons should absolutely pick up Josh Harrellson option. Hes still tall, young, cheap and can shoot 3s.

chrbal wrote:If we can sign Anthony Morrow without going overboard, he would really fit. I don't really want any of their career guys. Rashard Lewis is a good 3 point shooter, but hes not a drastic improvement at SF that it would make sense to sign him. He would/could help, but hes also 34.

After that I would pretty much just look to guys who can provide depth. I don't really want to see them go nuts on someone unless its surefire. And I realize nothing is set in stone. But everyone knew Jennings/Smith wasn't going to help as much as be names and lets not start on Gordon/Villanueva.

The Pistons should absolutely pick up Josh Harrellson option. Hes still tall, young, cheap and can shoot 3s.

My concern with the quantity over quality approach is our roster & rotation are already kind of full. I think it makes more sense if we were able to flip Singler/#38/Jerebko/Bynum (aka a couple of decent young guys + expirings) for a sure starting wing.

If we are going quantity over quality I'd love to see Mills / Meeks / Turner / Hill

That would give us 4 guys who are 26-27, 2 guards who can really shoot, a SF who can serve as a play maker and a solid quality backup big.

Jennings/Mills/Bynum/Siva
KCP/Meeks
Turner/Singler/Datome/Mitchell
Monroe/Smith/Jerebko
Drummond/Hill/Harrellson

I'm not really saying quantity over quality. I was more trying to saying lets not try to not to go crazy, lets try to add some better fit parts...see how that works and that go at it in the future. I just really don't want to see them add another high priced guy only to see him not fit as the year moves on.

Assuming Smith isn't traded and Moose is resigned, I'd go with Mills, Meeks and PJ Tucker as targets.
Vasquez would be a good option if we strike out on Mills.
None should cost too much and they all spread the floor.

Morrow, Dudley(trade), maybe Stephenson if he isn't asking for too much. Evan Turner would be a nice pick-up, he'll probably be my last option though.

Meeks had a pretty good season for the Lakers last year, 15.7 points, 40% form three, 86% FT in 33 minutes sounds good to me for a team desperately trying to add some guys who can space the floor.

Collison could challenge Jennings for the starting PG job, both of these guys could be had for like 4 mil per year i think. No to Turner, he can't shoot the 3 well and is too ball dominant, bad defender too. There are not a lot of decent SF complimentary free agents. Wes Johnson could be worth a gamble, but i'd rather target a guy like Dudley per trade, can't fix all of our problems with free agency.

I still would try first to hit a home run with getting a guy like Lowry, if that doesn't work there is still time to pursue guys like Meeks and Collison.

Joe Asberry wrote:Meeks had a pretty good season for the Lakers last year, 15.7 points, 40% form three, 86% FT in 33 minutes sounds good to me for a team desperately trying to add some guys who can space the floor.

Collison could challenge Jennings for the starting PG job, both of these guys could be had for like 4 mil per year i think. No to Turner, he can't shoot the 3 well and is too ball dominant, bad defender too. There are not a lot of decent SF complimentary free agents. Wes Johnson could be worth a gamble, but i'd rather target a guy like Dudley per trade, can't fix all of our problems with free agency.

I still would try first to hit a home run with getting a guy like Lowry, if that doesn't work there is still time to pursue guys like Meeks and Collison.

That's why I like making a play for Hayward or Bledsoe. Make Utah or PHX match a big offer, work out a discounted trade with us or let a young guy walk. If they match, Lance may still be available with a discounted price tag or we can go about signing some guys like Meeks & Mills.

Detroit doesn't have many open roster spots, they're better off investing in a player who can do multiple things, opposed to just shooters.

I've gotten the impression from some posts (nobody in particular) that 3-point shooting will be the panacea to all of this team's problems. That simply is not true.

ImHeisenberg wrote:Detroit doesn't have many open roster spots, they're better off investing in a player who can do multiple things, opposed to just shooters.

I've gotten the impression from some posts (nobody in particular) that 3-point shooting will be the panacea to all of this team's problems. That simply is not true.

Completely agree.

The biggest problem is our defense BLOWS. Jennings can't stop guards from getting into the paint at will. Our rotations are an absolute mess. We can't defend a pick & roll. Monroe ends up being the scapegoat (and he deserves a fair amount of blame) but the Bobcats showed that a few quality defenders and a solid scheme was able to hide a guy like Al Jefferson.

It seems some people think if we added Ryan Anderson, Kyle Korver and Anthony Morrow we'd become a 50 win team overnight.

Piston Prince wrote:the Bobcats showed that a few quality defenders and a solid scheme was able to hide a guy like Al Jefferson.

It seems some people think if we added Ryan Anderson, Kyle Korver and Anthony Morrow we'd become a 50 win team overnight.

but we have a few quality defenders, and SVG is assuredly going to implement a defensive scheme conducive to the roster (which means no more leaving moose on an island 20+ feet from the basket and no more josh smith chasing smaller wing players around screens).

even discounting potential FA signings, i fully expect this team to greatly improve, especially on the defensive end. and perimeter shooting is absolutely a major need for this team, if not our biggest need. a guy like morrow alone doesn't simply put the team over the top, but his ability to stretch the court along with smith's impending position switch and an overall team defensive overhaul will absolutely put everyone in much better positions to succeed.

now with that being said, i'd love to bully the jazz into accepting a sign and trade deal for Hayward by offering $11-12 million per year over 4 years, a deal they'd probably balk at matching. that way, we'd open up some roster spots while maintaining a bit of cap space. not sure what we'd offer in terms of players, but since we'd have the leverage because of money, maybe we could get away with singler, jerebko, bynum, and a slew of future 2nd rounders?? i don't know, it's a bit of a pipe dream for me.

then we could turn and offer morrow a small 2-year deal like 4-5 million over two years.

jakebernat wrote:

Piston Prince wrote:the Bobcats showed that a few quality defenders and a solid scheme was able to hide a guy like Al Jefferson.

It seems some people think if we added Ryan Anderson, Kyle Korver and Anthony Morrow we'd become a 50 win team overnight.

but we have a few quality defenders, and SVG is assuredly going to implement a defensive scheme conducive to the roster (which means no more leaving moose on an island 20+ feet from the basket and no more josh smith chasing smaller wing players around screens).

even discounting potential FA signings, i fully expect this team to greatly improve, especially on the defensive end. and perimeter shooting is absolutely a major need for this team, if not our biggest need. a guy like morrow alone doesn't simply put the team over the top, but his ability to stretch the court along with smith's impending position switch and an overall team defensive overhaul will absolutely put everyone in much better positions to succeed.

now with that being said, i'd love to bully the jazz into accepting a sign and trade deal for Hayward by offering $11-12 million per year over 4 years, a deal they'd probably balk at matching. that way, we'd open up some roster spots while maintaining a bit of cap space. not sure what we'd offer in terms of players, but since we'd have the leverage because of money, maybe we could get away with singler, jerebko, bynum, and a slew of future 2nd rounders?? i don't know, it's a bit of a pipe dream for me.

then we could turn and offer morrow a small 2-year deal like 4-5 million over two years.

I think the Jazz might consider something built around Datome/Mitchell as compensation for letting Hayward walk if we came in with a big 4 yrs/50 mil deal.

Drummond/Monroe/Smith rotating at the 4-5 spots
Hayward/KCP/Singler rotating at the 2-3 spots
Jennings + a FA like Collison/Vazquez/Mills/etc at the 1

I think that's a 8 man rotation SVG can work with.

I think we can overpay for a guy like granger as long as its a 2yr deal, I still think he could put 15pts a game, I'd give him CV/DNP money for 2yrs, especially if we're developing a three behind him. Micheal Petrius, I'm putting money on it. I think we're set with bigs, and until we move bynum for delfeno, we can't get another pg.

I would love to sign deng/lowry and do a sign and trade for gordon /anderson.That would be my ideal dream.I understand that the hornets (or the fans at least) think that a sign and trade of moose for gordon/anderson might be one sided,but with both of gordons/andersons contracts and the issue with gordons health and displeasure with the team,I think its definitly fair considering they get to pair moose with davis.I wouldnt mind throwing in some type of filler,our roster would look like this and become more balanced.I know its a pipe dream,but man that would be an awesom lineup.


PG-Lowry
SG-gordon/kcp
SF-Deng/singler
PF-anderson
C-drummond-jorts

Southern Piston wrote:I think we can overpay for a guy like granger as long as its a 2yr deal, I still think he could put 15pts a game, I'd give him CV/DNP money for 2yrs, especially if we're developing a three behind him. Micheal Petrius, I'm putting money on it. I think we're set with bigs, and until we move bynum for delfeno, we can't get another pg.

He really can't give you 15ppg anymore, the dude looks practically washed up in LA. He's solidly into ring-chaser mode, I don't think that he can be a reliable contributor anymore.

How much cap space do we actually have if we pick up Jorts option & Chauncey walks away?

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Piston Prince wrote:Grantland wrote a big article last week about how close Ray Allen & Lewis are and how they've both made over $100 mil and now it's about winning titles. I imagine Rashard would take the vets min in Miami over signing here for 2-3 mil. The Lewis - Mike Miller - Caron Butler - Danny Granger type FAs are all in "I'll take less money for a chance to win" mode.



Unless we move the Smennings or stretch Jerebko and/or Bynum we are looking at the following scenarios:

1) Add one of Stephenson / Hayward /Ariza / Deng / Lowry / Isaiah Thomas and use the $2.5 mil room exemption for another rotation piece

or

2) target multiple guys like:
Evan Turner
Shaun Livingston
Greivis Vazquez
Mario Chalmers
Jodie Meeks
Patty Mills
Jordan Hill
Jerryd Bayless
Darren Collison
DeJuan Blair
DJ Augustin
Al-Farouq Aminu
PJ Tucker
Anthony Morrow
Wes Johnson



My ideal offseason is option 1 and land one of Hayward/Lance/Deng/Ariza who'll come in and start at one of the wing spots, then use our $2.5 mil exemption to add a pg like Mills/Bayless/Collison/Vasquez/Augustin/Chalmers who are young enough to fit with Drummroe and good enough to push Jennings.

I like Deng as the consummate professional used to working like a warhorse on a winning team. He would fit, but I think he's more likely to set his gaze on a winning team. If he's open to the Pistons I would love to have him.

Hayward is a guy who I think is better than he has shown. In the right system he could definitely develop and grow. I've watched him push up hard on healthy Kobe and battle him and some of the other top guys in our league. The guy has deceptive athleticism. With bigs like Drummond and Monroe and coach like SVG he could thrive.

There's no real point in me talking about Lowry, since I doubt there's any chance he will leave Toronto. But if he does and we were in the sweepstakes to get him...

Livingston is a pass first pg with great size. He can guard three different positions, so his versatility would make him a great asset. His love his BBIQ and his tenacity (demonstrated in his ability to comeback from such a devastating injury and play at such a high level).

Vasquez could work equally well as a playmaker or a spark plug off the bench. He has good size at 6'6" with great grit (he's fighter out there on the court).

PJ Tucker is in the Corliss Williamson mold. He's a college power forward who reworked his game to be successful at this level. He plays under control and has good range.

Anthony Morrow can flat out shoot the crap out of the ball. He lit us up a couple of times during the year. He's primarily a one trick pony, a specialist. But he's really good at shooting the ball.

We need to take a solid look at Patty Mills.

I say keep the cash. Jorts or another 4th or 5th big is a spot that needs to be filled, but otherwise, we have bodies at every position. There's no sense in spending money to bring in an equally or slightly less talented player to "push" a starter yet. Let SVG do his thing for a season, and then start making moves. This team has talent. That was what Joe D was all about, accumulating talent. The problem was, it was terribly coached, and didn't fit (likely because it was improperly used by coaches). I'd be perfectly ok if we went into the season with the same roster we had at the end of the season. There's no way in hell we don't improve drastically with the progression of Drummond and KCP , and most importantly, the addition of a coach. I know it sounds crazy, but..... GUYS WE ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL COACH!