Pistons Remain In Constant Talks With Greg Monroe's Camp

[Laimbeer]

“I’m in almost daily contact with David Falk," Stan Van Gundy said...

“We have targets," Van Gundy said of free agency.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... nroes-Camp

[RTM]

I'll be very disappointed if this team does no re-sign Monroe. Keep him in the fold, add shooting, and figure the rest (PG, SF, what to do with Jennings/Smith) out later.

[Q00]

It almost sounds like using the qualifying offer could be a legit option from the article.

It could be beneficial to both sides under certain circumstances. If Monroe doesn't want to resign here, but we refuse to let him walk or engage a S&T, his best option could just be to stay here one more year for $5 mil and then become an unrestricted FA next year.

For the Pistons, if they don't want to commit longterm to him before seeing how he looks in SVGs system, it would give them an extra year of evaluation at a cheap price before having to decide. It would also make it easier to trade him next season, making only 5 mil as opposed to trying to deal a newly signed max deal, and would give the Pistons the power to trade him where they choose, without Monroe's say, which they don't have now.

[sfballa13]

It almost sounds like using the qualifying offer could be a legit option from the article.

It could be beneficial to both sides under certain circumstances. If Monroe doesn't want to resign here, but we refuse to let him walk or engage a S&T, his best option could just be to stay here one more year for $5 mil and then become an unrestricted FA next year.

For the Pistons, if they don't want to commit longterm to him before seeing how he looks in SVGs system, it would give them an extra year of evaluation at a cheap price before having to decide. It would also make it easier to trade him next season, making only 5 mil as opposed to trying to deal a newly signed max deal, and would give the Pistons the power to trade him where they choose, without Monroe's say, which they don't have now.

Monroe already had one bad season for Detroit last year and if Van Gundy doesnt like his play style and relegates him to come off the bench that will drive his value down immensely especially in a far better free agent class in 2015. I highly doubt Falk convinces Monroe to take the QO. He will sign where he wants for max money and force the Pistons to match

BUT...if somehow Monroe signs the qualifying offer we can immediately trade him and Bynum to the Clippers for Deandre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and Dudley than throw the rest of our money again at either Parsons-Hayward

That will give them a cheap starting C while allowing them room to sign Lebron

CP3 - Crawford - Bron - Blake - Monroe (thats a title team right there)

We can easily turn around and package Jordan and trash for a SF

[jakebernat]

It almost sounds like using the qualifying offer could be a legit option from the article.

It could be beneficial to both sides under certain circumstances. If Monroe doesn't want to resign here, but we refuse to let him walk or engage a S&T, his best option could just be to stay here one more year for $5 mil and then become an unrestricted FA next year.

For the Pistons, if they don't want to commit longterm to him before seeing how he looks in SVGs system, it would give them an extra year of evaluation at a cheap price before having to decide. It would also make it easier to trade him next season, making only 5 mil as opposed to trying to deal a newly signed max deal, and would give the Pistons the power to trade him where they choose, without Monroe's say, which they don't have now.

Monroe already had one bad season for Detroit last year and if Van Gundy doesnt like his play style and relegates him to come off the bench that will drive his value down immensely especially in a far better free agent class in 2015. I highly doubt Falk convinces Monroe to take the QO. He will sign where he wants for max money and force the Pistons to match

BUT...if somehow Monroe signs the qualifying offer we can immediately trade him and Bynum to the Clippers for Deandre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Collison, and Dudley than throw the rest of our money again at either Parsons-Hayward

That will give them a cheap starting C while allowing them room to sign Lebron

CP3 - Crawford - Bron - Blake - Monroe (thats a title team right there)

We can easily turn around and package Jordan and trash for a SF

monroe on a one year qualifying offer deal would have very little trade value since he would become an UFA the next season. unless he agreed to sign an extension wherever he went, then it'd be just as bad as us losing him for nothing.

[Kilo]

Signing the QO is Monroe's ultimate leverage should he want out and not want his signing team to have to pay fair value in a trade for him but he's probably have to put almost all the $5M towards a huge insurance policy because one big injury and he loses big time - that's a helluva risk to take. I mean he's 23yo, so you suck it up and sign an offer sheet and Detroit matches and you make $50M guaranteed over the next four years and then become a UFA at 28yo. Unless you really hate it here, you don't risk your future and your families future for generations on signing the QO.

[DBC10]

Signing the QO is Monroe's ultimate leverage should he want out and not want his signing team to have to pay fair value in a trade for him but he's probably have to put almost all the $5M towards a huge insurance policy because one big injury and he loses big time - that's a helluva risk to take. I mean he's 23yo, so you suck it up and sign an offer sheet and Detroit matches and you make $50M guaranteed over the next four years and then become a UFA at 28yo. Unless you really hate it here, you don't risk your future and your families future for generations on signing the QO.

This. He's a young guy looking to get paid, and rightly so since there's a scarcity of big men like himself that can play PF/C. He's going to sign first then deal with the future later.

Which is good for us and good for him as he will be playing for an actual proven coach unlike his 3 years here who were mediocre coaches. It'll drive up his sale value playing under a proven system after he gets paid by us and then we can trade him later down the line should we feel it doesn't meet with our future goals. Easy.

[Q00]

Signing the QO is Monroe's ultimate leverage should he want out and not want his signing team to have to pay fair value in a trade for him but he's probably have to put almost all the $5M towards a huge insurance policy because one big injury and he loses big time - that's a helluva risk to take. I mean he's 23yo, so you suck it up and sign an offer sheet and Detroit matches and you make $50M guaranteed over the next four years and then become a UFA at 28yo. Unless you really hate it here, you don't risk your future and your families future for generations on signing the QO.

He's going to sign first then deal with the future later.

How do you know what he's going to do?

[Kilo]

Signing the QO is Monroe's ultimate leverage should he want out and not want his signing team to have to pay fair value in a trade for him but he's probably have to put almost all the $5M towards a huge insurance policy because one big injury and he loses big time - that's a helluva risk to take. I mean he's 23yo, so you suck it up and sign an offer sheet and Detroit matches and you make $50M guaranteed over the next four years and then become a UFA at 28yo. Unless you really hate it here, you don't risk your future and your families future for generations on signing the QO.

He's going to sign first then deal with the future later.

How do you know what he's going to do?

Common sense. How many RFA's have turned down big money offers and instead signed one year QO's in order to become UFA's the next off-season?

[Invictus88]

Signing the QO is Monroe's ultimate leverage should he want out and not want his signing team to have to pay fair value in a trade for him but he's probably have to put almost all the $5M towards a huge insurance policy because one big injury and he loses big time - that's a helluva risk to take. I mean he's 23yo, so you suck it up and sign an offer sheet and Detroit matches and you make $50M guaranteed over the next four years and then become a UFA at 28yo. Unless you really hate it here, you don't risk your future and your families future for generations on signing the QO.

He's going to sign first then deal with the future later.

How do you know what he's going to do?

Unless someone on these forums is actually Greg Monroe then nobody is going to be 100% certain what he will do. The only thing people can do is speculate based on available information and logic -- which is kind of the point of an internet forum like this one?

You might as well have asked DBC10 if he was actually Greg Monroe.

[Q00]

From Matt Dery's radio show today:

http://www.detroitsports1051.com/mattde ... 6SePPldVZg

Sean Devaney returns to reitterate what he said when SVG is hired. He thinks all this talk from Stan is just GM talk, akin to what Sauders is doing right with with Love, and said "I'd be really surprised if Monroe stays with the Pistons after this year".

So this guy is sticking to his sources. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Q00]

He's going to sign first then deal with the future later.

How do you know what he's going to do?

Unless someone on these forums is actually Greg Monroe then nobody is going to be 100% certain what he will do. The only thing people can do is speculate based on available information and logic -- which is kind of the point of an internet forum like this one?

You might as well have asked DBC10 if he was actually Greg Monroe.

He might as well have said he was Greg Monroe with a post like that. I mean, he just ended all speculation. He said he knows exactly what Monroe is going to do, so I guess whatever we suspect could happen now is all meaningless at this point lol.

Like you said, forums are for speculating. When one person speculates on something, and then another comes along and says 'no that's not happening, this is what's going to happen...', I just want to know how he knows that?

[Q00]

He's going to sign first then deal with the future later.

How do you know what he's going to do?

Common sense. How many RFA's have turned down big money offers and instead signed one year QO's in order to become UFA's the next off-season?

There's no such thing as common sense when it comes to these things. Every one of these situations plays out different. You either have inside knowledge on the situation (like Devaney) and therefore can make a bold proclamation, or you don't know anything and are just speculating. Making a bold proclamation with no inside knowledge though is not common sense. That's just buffoonery.

[Kilo]

From Matt Dery's radio show today:

http://www.detroitsports1051.com/mattde ... 6SePPldVZg

Sean Devaney returns to reitterate what he said when SVG is hired. He thinks all this talk from Stan is just GM talk, akin to what Sauders is doing right with with Love, and said "I'd be really surprised if Monroe stays with the Pistons after this year".

So this guy is sticking to his sources. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I touched on this yesterday here. Devaney said Monroe was gone once the news broke that SVG was hired. He must have had discussions with Stan, or had a trusted source that had discussions with Stan about Monroe as a PF in the past where Van Gundy indicated that Moose was a bad fit either as a PF or in the same front court as Drummond OR Monroe is a secret coach killer and Devaney knows Stan loathes players like that and with his power as PBR he's make sure none were on his team.

The pushback came from local beatwriters who are basically org mouthpieces and Stan himself who obviously doesn't want it common knowledge his true feelings on Greg.

Given Devaney is sticking by this and not walking it back it makes me believe the source isn't Stan himself because he'd be killing him as a source forever, but rather somebody close to Stan who had a conversation with Stan about Monroe in the past who then passed on this info to Sean.

[Kilo]

How do you know what he's going to do?

Unless someone on these forums is actually Greg Monroe then nobody is going to be 100% certain what he will do. The only thing people can do is speculate based on available information and logic -- which is kind of the point of an internet forum like this one?

You might as well have asked DBC10 if he was actually Greg Monroe.

He might as well have said he was Greg Monroe with a post like that. I mean, he just ended all speculation. He said he knows exactly what Monroe is going to do, so I guess whatever we suspect could happen now is all meaningless at this point lol.

Like you said, forums are for speculating. When one person speculates on something, and then another comes along and says 'no that's not happening, this is what's going to happen...', I just want to know how he knows that?

He never claimed to know Monroe or to have any insider info, nobody believes he knows Monroe - everybody recognizes it as his opinion on the matter. You use this silly bit whenever you disagree with somebodies stance and want to attack them.

[Q00]

Unless someone on these forums is actually Greg Monroe then nobody is going to be 100% certain what he will do. The only thing people can do is speculate based on available information and logic -- which is kind of the point of an internet forum like this one?

You might as well have asked DBC10 if he was actually Greg Monroe.

He might as well have said he was Greg Monroe with a post like that. I mean, he just ended all speculation. He said he knows exactly what Monroe is going to do, so I guess whatever we suspect could happen now is all meaningless at this point lol.

Like you said, forums are for speculating. When one person speculates on something, and then another comes along and says 'no that's not happening, this is what's going to happen...', I just want to know how he knows that?

He never claimed to know Monroe or to have any insider info, nobody believes he knows Monroe - everybody recognizes it as his opinion on the matter. You use this silly bit whenever you disagree with somebodies stance and want to attack them.

The only silly bit here is posters acting like know-it-alls, speaking in absolutes about topics they have no more knowlede of than the rest of us, and then trying to pass it off as opinion after they get called out on it.

Its not hard to include "I think" or "I predict" at the beginning of a statement to indicate an opinion or prediction, if that was the intention. Its not my fault if I misinterpret a post, if they didn't write it using proper english in the first place. You can only go by what's written on a forum, and considering there's a lot of know it alls on here who like to tell you stuff is/isn't going to happen all the time, there's no way of knowing what someone means if they don't clarify themselves.

[DBC10]

Signing the QO is Monroe's ultimate leverage should he want out and not want his signing team to have to pay fair value in a trade for him but he's probably have to put almost all the $5M towards a huge insurance policy because one big injury and he loses big time - that's a helluva risk to take. I mean he's 23yo, so you suck it up and sign an offer sheet and Detroit matches and you make $50M guaranteed over the next four years and then become a UFA at 28yo. Unless you really hate it here, you don't risk your future and your families future for generations on signing the QO.

He's likely going to sign first then deal with the future later.

How do you know what he's going to do?

Does this help? I didn't think anyone would take that as a literal and to the fullest extreme. This is an online community forum, and any time anyone actually spews out something, I take that as an opinion/grain of salt unless there's actual supporting evidence to confirm it. Which I had none and I was speculating, like you do, this forum does, and what I did.

Actually, nevermind, forget what's likely going to happen and reasoning/logic, I actually am Greg Monroe and yes I will sign instead of taking the QO since I hate money that I'll lose out on by waiting another year for a big contract.

[Q00]

From Matt Dery's radio show today:

http://www.detroitsports1051.com/mattde ... 6SePPldVZg

Sean Devaney returns to reitterate what he said when SVG is hired. He thinks all this talk from Stan is just GM talk, akin to what Sauders is doing right with with Love, and said "I'd be really surprised if Monroe stays with the Pistons after this year".

So this guy is sticking to his sources. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I touched on this yesterday here. Devaney said Monroe was gone once the news broke that SVG was hired. He must have had discussions with Stan, or had a trusted source that had discussions with Stan about Monroe as a PF in the past where Van Gundy indicated that Moose was a bad fit either as a PF or in the same front court as Drummond OR Monroe is a secret coach killer and Devaney knows Stan loathes players like that and with his power as PBR he's make sure none were on his team.

The pushback came from local beatwriters who are basically org mouthpieces and Stan himself who obviously doesn't want it common knowledge his true feelings on Greg.

Given Devaney is sticking by this and not walking it back it makes me believe the source isn't Stan himself because he'd be killing him as a source forever, but rather somebody close to Stan who had a conversation with Stan about Monroe in the past who then passed on this info to Sean.

yeah, I always tend to trust national writers over the local guys, of which most are paid by the Pistons to write what they want them to write.

[Q00]

He's likely going to sign first then deal with the future later.

How do you know what he's going to do?

Does this help? I didn't think anyone would take that as a literal and to the fullest extreme. This is an online community forum, and any time anyone actually spews out something, I take that as an opinion/grain of salt unless there's actual supporting evidence to confirm it. Which I had none and I was speculating, like you do, this forum does, and what I did.

Actually, nevermind, forget what's likely going to happen and reasoning/logic, I actually am Greg Monroe and yes I will sign instead of taking the QO since I hate money that I'll lose out on by waiting another year for a big contract.

Logic and reason says that if the guy in charge (SVG) didn't consider the qualifying offer as an actual possibilty, then he wouldn't be listing it as one of his 3 possible outcomes for Monroe.

If he knew that idea was already out of the equation, then why would he have mentioned it as a possibility still this late in the game? And why would Goodwill be tweeting about it as a possibility?

Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill 7h
Van Gundy knows Monroe will be sought after, pondering all options, including a qualifying offer: http://detne.ws/1lbBoQJ #Pistons

If your 'opinion' is that its not happening, cool, but since you don't have evidence to support it, I'm taking your opinion with a giant mound of salt.

[DBC10]

How do you know what he's going to do?

Does this help? I didn't think anyone would take that as a literal and to the fullest extreme. This is an online community forum, and any time anyone actually spews out something, I take that as an opinion/grain of salt unless there's actual supporting evidence to confirm it. Which I had none and I was speculating, like you do, this forum does, and what I did.

Actually, nevermind, forget what's likely going to happen and reasoning/logic, I actually am Greg Monroe and yes I will sign instead of taking the QO since I hate money that I'll lose out on by waiting another year for a big contract.

Logic and reason says that if the guy in charge (SVG) didn't consider the qualifying offer as an actual possibilty, then he wouldn't be listing it as one of his 3 possible outcomes for Monroe.

If he knew that idea was already out of the equation, then why would he have mentioned it as a possibility still this late in the game? And why would Goodwill be tweeting about it as a possibility?

Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill 7h
Van Gundy knows Monroe will be sought after, pondering all options, including a qualifying offer: http://detne.ws/1lbBoQJ #Pistons

If your 'opinion' is that its not happening, cool, but since you don't have evidence to support it, I'm taking your opinion with a giant mound of salt.

Cool, but the fact of the matter is this, that's only 1 option out of the 3 which seem the most unlikely, no? If Falk gets Monroe to go for the QO, then he's not doing his legendary job like he did for Hibbert in getting him that contract. Perhaps the fact that there is a massive historic precedence from Falk, it's likely he's going to do a S&T or re-sign rather than a QO. You're also forgetting the fact that he's losing out money that he will never make up if he takes the QO for next year when he could've gone to some other 10 teams that will look to give him big money.

Just because an arbitrary option of throwing out the QO does not mean it'll somehow happen more likely. I would hope SVG explores all options. But too bad I never outright dismissed the notion, just stating what was likely going to go down.
Hell, your article even says,

It’s rarely used by either side, because the player usually wants the long-term security and the team wants to lock up a talented player just the same.

Is it an option, sure, but it rarely happens and especially so for a bigman of Monroe's caliber. Historically it just does not happen enough to where I can say that likely, he signs a long term extension or S&T instead are more probable options.

What's likely going to happen, a young 23/24 year old big man with physical tools to be an offensive force that already has offers lined up for a big pay day, or he basically opts out and takes the QO (less money) so he can be unchained in FA status for next year? It's what has happened in the past (Falk + Hibbert) and what is likely for his personal financial future.

And my "opinion" was based on likelihood out of those 3 options. Don't be petty now.