Trade Jennings

kf96 · Post #1 » by **kf96** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 4:00 pm

If we get Isaiah Thomas he will be our starting PG and Brendon Jennings will be on trade block.

What realistic trade we can get for him?

Kilo · Post #2 » by **Kilo** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 4:02 pm

I dunno - but I think he is tradeable given his two years remaining at roughly $8M per season, given the contracts being given out this season, that would be seen as a bargain both in length and in money.

kf96 · Post #3 » by **kf96** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 4:03 pm

I think we would search for SF.

MotownMadness · Post #4 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 4:15 pm

Nobody wants to get take this scrub.

HotelVitale · Post #5 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 4:38 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Nobody wants to get take this scrub.

Yeah, we were about the only team interested in paying him $8m per season last year. Sounds like Isaiah Thomas, who is a significantly better version of BJ, is going to get similar money. Market's not looking great for lightning quick, weak-defense PG who can't figure out what a good shot is.

We might be able to trade him to a team like the Heat or OKC for bits and pieces (both need offensive minded backup PGs), but I'd be surprised if we could get even an expiring rotation player for him. His value was much higher last year and Knight (who was dreadful for us the season before) was seen as a pretty big return for him.

Post #6 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 4:41 pm

The more time goes by the less convinced I am of the likelihood of getting Isaiah Thomas.

Seems to me the only way we get him is after Bron/Melo/Wade/Bosh make their respective decisions. If the dust settles and Isaiah isn't with one of the other teams, THEN maybe the Pistons will be revisited.

He's not currently with the team because he prefers other options, which may very well include the Heat and Lakers.

PistonsFan4Life · Post #7 » by **PistonsFan4Life** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 4:44 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Nobody wants to get take this scrub.

I think Jennings and Smith will both be traded. I know a few people here have already suggested that Smith will probably be traded in the offseason to one of the teams that strike out on the bigger free agents.

I think that if we are unable to convince the Lakers to take Jennings in a sign-and-trade for Meeks that we are going to have to wait until another PG on a contending team is hurt and desperately needs help at PG during the season.

HotelVitale · Post #8 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:05 pm

Snakebites wrote: He's not currently with the team because he prefers other options, which may very well include the Heat and Lakers.

Right, if you're IT and you get the chance to be the Heat's new starting PG (or even a meaningful rotation guy), you'd have to believe that's worth taking $6m instead of $8m per year.

Ghost · Post #9 » by **Ghost** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:09 pm

I can't imagine there's a lot of value out there for him at all... Maybe Philly? Because even though Jennings is a bit out there, he is a much better shooter than their two point guards. Or maybe we just have to hang on to him for one more season before he becomes an expiring.

If we have to hang on to Jennings, let's hope SVG is a miracle worker and can somehow make him better! :lol:

like put some effort in on defense and shoot less :lol:

PistonsFan4Life · Post #10 » by **PistonsFan4Life** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:14 pm

HotelVitale wrote:Right, if you're IT and you get the chance to be the Heat's new starting PG (or even a meaningful rotation guy), you'd have to believe that's worth taking $6m instead of $8m per year.

I'm not sure that IT would be the starting PG in Miami if he decides to go there after Miami just drafted LeBron's favorite player in the draft. I don't think Miami looks like the best place for players to go now either. I think that LeBron probably returns to Miami for a couple years but Wade's is no longer a superstar and James will leave to go to another team that gives him a better chance to win when he realizes they aren't going to be the most dominant team in the league because of salary demands.

HotelVitale · Post #11 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:23 pm

PistonsFan4Life wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:Right, if you're IT and you get the chance to be the Heat's new starting PG (or even a meaningful rotation guy), you'd have to believe that's worth taking $6m instead of $8m per year.

I'm not sure that IT would be the starting PG in Miami if he decides to go there after Miami just drafted LeBron's favorite player in the draft. I don't think Miami looks like the best place for players to go now either. I think that LeBron probably returns to Miami for a couple years but Wade's is no longer a superstar and James will leave to go to another team that gives him a better chance to win when he realizes they aren't going to be the most dominant team in the league because of salary demands.

IT's going to be a much better player next year than Napier and the coach will play the best player. Lebron always buddies up with winners--he's hung out with Johnny Manziel and Roger Federer when they won big--but that doesn't mean he's got a crush on Napier and would hurt his team because he loves him so much.

And I don't see how going to Miami for a three year stint isn't the best possible situation: Lebron is the best player in the league, Bosh is still terrific (and he'd be happy to show it with more touches), and the surrounding cast is still solid. And he'd get to step right in and became the 3rd leading scorer and an absolutely indispensable player, something he couldn't do on any other contender. It'd also be a very professional and serious basketball environment and a really exciting off-court environment too. Just because the team might not win the title doesn't mean that there aren't major benefits to playing there.

Neptune · Post #12 » by **Neptune** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 5:41 pm

kf96 wrote:If we get Isaiah Thomas

Isaiah Thomas to the Pistons was never a reality bro

kf96 · Post #13 » by **kf96** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:04 pm

In Lakers team forum is them called Any intrested in Brandon Jennings? and it sees likr they are.
Go check it.

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PistonsFan4Life · Post #14 » by **PistonsFan4Life** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:16 pm

kf96 wrote:In Lakers team forum is them called Any intrested in Brandon Jennings? and it sees likr they are.
Go check it.

Some of the Lakers fans seem interested but it also seems like most of them would rather not have Jennings. I imagine the Lakers will have to make some trades to show they are trying to win next year though if they continue to strike out in free agency.

wallace72 · Post #15 » by **wallace72** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:22 pm

Neptune wrote:
kf96 wrote:If we get Isaiah Thomas

Isaiah Thomas to the Pistons was never a reality bro

We're stuck with Jennings for at least another year.....

DocRI · Post #16 » by **DocRI** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:44 pm

HotelVitale wrote:Right, if you're IT and you get the chance to be the Heat's new starting PG (or even a meaningful rotation guy), you'd have to believe that's worth taking $6m instead of $8m per year.

Sorry to disagree, but no, it's not worth taking less money for him. IT2 isn't Pau Gasol, nor is he even Trevor Ariza. We're talking about a kid who was a second round draft pick and has been paid <$1M per year for his career so far who now finally has a chance to negotiate a real contract. He's not gonna take a penny less than the top offer for his services, nor should he. Heck, like it or hate it this is the exact same strategy SVG used to land Meeks (come straight out with the highest financial offer to a player who's never truly had that, "Now my family never has to worry about money again!" moment).

Back on the original topic, here's a concern I've had — if memory serves, Jennings essentially burnt his last bridges with Milwaukee when they signed Jeff Teague to an offer sheet last summer. What're the chances we strike out on IT2 and he makes it clear he doesn't want to return to a team who was trying to replace him? And forget that he should just shut up and honor his contract, 'cuz we all know that's not always how these things work (for instance, Nomar with the Red Sox when they tried to trade for ARod). No matter what happens with IT2, we may have no choice but to find a new home for Jennings before opening night.

Q00 · Post #17 » by **Q00** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:47 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:Nobody wants to get take this scrub.

Yeah, we were about the only team interested in paying him $8m per season last year.

I don't know if that's true. From what I recall he was asking for 12 mil per season, and no one was interested in him at that price, but then when we got him for 8 mil the reaction around the league was that we got a good deal. And that was when his contract had 3 years on it. Now it only has 2 years, so interest can change from one year to the next as team needs change and contract lengths get shorter.

Thus, I think there could be teams interested in him now.

HotelVitale · Post #18 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:57 pm

PistonsFan4Life wrote:
kf96 wrote:In Lakers team forum is them called Any intrested in Brandon Jennings? and it sees likr they are.
Go check it.

Some of the Lakers fans seem interested but it also seems like most of them would rather not have Jennings. I imagine the Lakers will have to make some trades to show they are trying to win next year though if they continue to strike out in free agency.

Q00 wrote: I think there could be teams interested in him now.

I wouldn't be surprised if some teams like the Lakers are interested, but I don't think they're going to trade much for him. The Jennings' deal is definitely moveable, maybe not right now but within the next six months or so, just that we aren't likely to get anything good for it.

PistonsFan4Life · Post #19 » by **PistonsFan4Life** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:03 pm

HotelVitale wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if some teams like the Lakers are interested, but I don't think they're going to trade much for him. The Jennings' deal is definitely moveable, maybe not right now but within the next six months or so, just that we aren't likely to get anything good for it.

I don't expect to get much in return for Jennings but if he's not traded before too long the Pistons will be more likely to just hold on to him since his trade value increases the following season as an expiring contract.

HotelVitale · Post #20 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:10 pm

PistonsFan4Life wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if some teams like the Lakers are interested, but I don't think they're going to trade much for him. The Jennings' deal is definitely moveable, maybe not right now but within the next six months or so, just that we aren't likely to get anything good for it.

I don't expect to get much in return for Jennings but if he's not traded before too long the Pistons will be more likely to just hold on to him since his trade value increases the following season as an expiring contract.

Expiring contracts aren't really that valuable any more--they haven't been for the last five plus seasons--unless you're a contender. If you are, they let you trade for overpriced but still useful guys on multi-year deals (like Jennings!) who might help push you over the edge. Otherwise, these days they rarely get used to make significant moves, and even somewhat smaller moves tend to be facilitated with non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed contracts.