A defensive PF is not necessary?

[E-Z]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh5eIETc0is&list=UUSpvjDk06HLxBaw8sZw7SkA[/youtube]

Coach Nick provides a great analysis, and an interesting look as to what can propel a team into an elite basketball club on the defensive end. In short, he suggests the top 5 defensive clubs (Indiana, Chicago, San Antonio, Golden State, and Charlotte) featured power forwards who aren't rim protectors, to say the least. Most of the teams were capable of defending the pick and roll to some degree. However, all of the teams featured elite transition defense.

Coach concludes by suggesting the only two ingredients a team needs for a top defense is: a rim protector, and a defensive wing player.

I've been harping on Monroe's defense for months now, and the bottom line may just be that his defense wasn't really the elephant in the room.

[TurboTitan]

I agree. When you have a player like Drummond at Center who can protect the rim for you a defensive PF is not a need. It would definitely be a bonus but we can still play without one (Monroe)

[sc8581]

The problem is Monroe can't defend outside of the paint which is where basically all PFs hang out now. Whether it's at the 3-point line, the pick and roll or pick and pop, he can't do it.

[ChipButty]

I think it's a reach to draw conclusions on a single position.

Not many teams do have a rim protecting PF. 2 of the teams that do (Spurs and OKC) were 2 of the best 6 defenses in the league last year. Plus David West is one of the better defenders at his position and Gibson played more minutes than Boozer. There are reasons why Boozer was amnestied, Charlotte let McRoberts walk and Golden State appeared very willing to move Lee.

I don't think we can afford to have more than 2 of Jennings, Meeks, Singler, Butler, and Moose in the starting lineup.

[BadMofoPimp]

Ryan Anderson was even worse on defense than Monroe. One of the worst I seen while the Magic still had a great team defensive scheme. It would just hurt every once in a while when Ryno lost his man looking lost out there.

[DBC10]

We got an up and coming (and possibly elite) defender in KCP and Dre whose potential is through the roof on defensive end and rebounds. And on top of that, which the video doesn't really mention, those teams also had very good defensive coaches which we do too.

So maybe?

[kurtis48239]

Thats alot for dre to have to cover everygame,either he has to defend against a driving pg who can kick it out to a pf,or a driving pf who can kick it out to anyone.Sucks for dre.

[vic]

Thanks for posting this, I've been saying this all year: as long as you have 3 plus defenders, one in the paint, one on the wing, and one of the guards, you can have a great defense (provided your coach is average not clueless).

Monroe's efficiency on offense is going to make this a great team as long as Drummond, kcP, and Dinwiddies defensive abilities are allowed to develop.

[epheisey]

I think this simply shows that a coaching strategy that fits the team is the key. There isn't a formula, i.e. 1 defensive big + 2 defensive wings= a good defensive team, that answers the question. Theoretically, last years Pistons had some very good defensive players. Smith, Stuckey, KCP, Drummond. But the coaching was awful, and never put the team in a good scheme. I'm really expecting that to be the biggest change with SVG here. He is huge on maximizing the talent he has available to him in the best way possible.

If you look at those 5 teams, the coaching was undeniably a huge part of each team's success.

Monroe might not be the right fit for this team regardless, it's just unfortunate that the timing of Monroe's likely departure and SVG's arrival lined up like they did.

[Moose10Fan]

Totally agree!

If we expect Drummond to become the super max player we envision we are going to of course be asking a ton of him, thats exactly what we will be paying him for.

[Scottgaf]

I've been saying all along that Monroe's best option is right here. Drummond can account for him on the defensive end, and he is the first option in the post. Now that we have upgrade the perimeter shooting, Monroe is primed for a big year.

If I was him, I would be spending a lot less time worrying about my deal, get in the best shape of my life, and be ready to up my value.

Could he potentially sign a one year deal with Detroit for about $10 mil allowing them to keep his bird rights for next season, and not lose them due to a qualifying offer? Not sure how NBA contracts work.

[vic]

We could have had a great defensive team last season, but instead we had to sit through some of the most clueless coaches I've ever seen.

All they had to do was play stuckey at point guard, KCP at shooting guard, and one of Drummond or Smith.

I still remember the Memphis game where mow cheeks accidentally put Stuckey and KCP in at the same time and they proceeded to work the grizzlies and came back into the game until he decided that he did not want to win, and he totally changed the line up in the fourth quarter.

[sc8581]

Thanks for posting this, I've been saying this all year: as long as you have 3 plus defenders, one in the paint, one on the wing, and one of the guards, you can have a great defense (provided your coach is average not clueless).

Monroe's efficiency on offense is going to make this a great team as long as Drummond, kcP, and Dinwiddies defensive abilities are allowed to develop.

Monroe isn't efficient on offense, your post is a bunch of nonsense all around.

[DetroitSho]

Thanks for posting this, I've been saying this all year: as long as you have 3 plus defenders, one in the paint, one on the wing, and one of the guards, you can have a great defense (provided your coach is average not clueless).

Monroe's efficiency on offense is going to make this a great team as long as Drummond, kcP, and Dinwiddies defensive abilities are allowed to develop.

Monroe isn't efficient on offense, your post is a bunch of nonsense all around.

Yeah, yours is waaaaaay more insightful.

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[sc8581]

Thanks for posting this, I've been saying this all year: as long as you have 3 plus defenders, one in the paint, one on the wing, and one of the guards, you can have a great defense (provided your coach is average not clueless).

Monroe's efficiency on offense is going to make this a great team as long as Drummond, kcP, and Dinwiddies defensive abilities are allowed to develop.

Monroe isn't efficient on offense, your post is a bunch of nonsense all around.

Yeah, yours is waaaaaay more insightful.

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My first one was but you always ignore logic

[Pharaoh]

All this shows is that quality coaching makes a difference defensively, which we all know

Bigs might be more perimeter orientated than ever but teams all want shots at the rim and corner 3s. Having everyone funnel things to Drummond is the way to go.

A lot of teams over the years have had good team D with poor individual defenders. We can too

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[epheisey]

The problem is Monroe can't defend outside of the paint which is where basically all PFs hang out now. Whether it's at the 3-point line, the pick and roll or pick and pop, he can't do it.

So doing something different than the rest of the league makes it incorrect?

At some point couldn't taking a risk and doing it different provide a huge benefit over the rest of the league? If Monroe in a system designed by SVG can be decent defensively, couldn't having two almost 7 footers be a huge advantage over the rest of the league?

At one point, a team started playing a "stretch 4" before everyone else, and it's now caught on. Why can't this be the team to swing that back in the other direction of dominating the paint with two towering bigs?

[sc8581]

The problem is Monroe can't defend outside of the paint which is where basically all PFs hang out now. Whether it's at the 3-point line, the pick and roll or pick and pop, he can't do it.

So doing something different than the rest of the league makes it incorrect?

At some point couldn't taking a risk and doing it different provide a huge benefit over the rest of the league? If Monroe in a system designed by SVG can be decent defensively, couldn't having two almost 7 footers be a huge advantage over the rest of the league?

At one point, a team started playing a "stretch 4" before everyone else, and it's now caught on. Why can't this be the team to swing that back in the other direction of dominating the paint with two towering bigs?

Having one starting big that can shoot well is not some new thing, it's been that way for at least 25-30 years. Monroe is just one of those guys that can't even be a decent defender at the 4, a better system won't change that.

[epheisey]

The problem is Monroe can't defend outside of the paint which is where basically all PFs hang out now. Whether it's at the 3-point line, the pick and roll or pick and pop, he can't do it.

So doing something different than the rest of the league makes it incorrect?

At some point couldn't taking a risk and doing it different provide a huge benefit over the rest of the league? If Monroe in a system designed by SVG can be decent defensively, couldn't having two almost 7 footers be a huge advantage over the rest of the league?

At one point, a team started playing a "stretch 4" before everyone else, and it's now caught on. Why can't this be the team to swing that back in the other direction of dominating the paint with two towering bigs?

Having one starting big that can shoot well is not some new thing, it's been that way for at least 25-30 years. Monroe is just one of those guys that can't even be a decent defender at the 4, a better system won't change that.

And why won't he ever be a decent defender? Because you say so? Sorry but David Lee and the Warriors were a top 5 defensive team.

[sc8581]

So doing something different than the rest of the league makes it incorrect?

At some point couldn't taking a risk and doing it different provide a huge benefit over the rest of the league? If Monroe in a system designed by SVG can be decent defensively, couldn't having two almost 7 footers be a huge advantage over the rest of the league?

David Lee has faster feet, plus Iggy and Bogut are beasts.

At one point, a team started playing a "stretch 4" before everyone else, and it's now caught on. Why can't this be the team to swing that back in the other direction of dominating the paint with two towering bigs?

Having one starting big that can shoot well is not some new thing, it's been that way for at least 25-30 years. Monroe is just one of those guys that can't even be a decent defender at the 4, a better system won't change that.

And why won't he ever be a decent defender? Because you say so? Sorry but David Lee and the Warriors were a top 5 defensive team.