It may be early for trade talk but... Lakers /Detroit

GSR121 · Post #1 » by **GSR121** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:51 am

Rumor has it that LA is looking to trade Nash. We all know he is out for the year (maybe for ever) but he is a good size exp. contract. I see this year as more of a "developmental" season than anything for the Pistons. If that is the case would the Pistons be willing to gamble on this?

Det out: Jennings, Jerebko, Mitchell.

LAL out: Nash and Randle.

Why for Detroit: Pick up Randle and get a exp. deal for Jennings. It would leave us VERY thin at PG with DJ being the starter and we would probably have to pick up a backup off the waiver wires, at least until Dinwiddie gets his feet under him. Randle gives us insurance if Moose leaves at the end of the season and opens the door for a Smith trade if one comes along.

Why for LAL: If LA is going to move Nash for anything of value, they are going to have to sweeten the deal some how. With them not being able to trade a first round pick for a while they have few options. While they have Lin, Jennings would be a good sixth man and is a better player than most teams would offer. Jerebko and Mitchell are to make the numbers work.

This would be a very high risk, High reward trade for both teams. The Pistons have few options a PG after this and the free agent pool is shallow. But getting Randle and getting out of Jennings contract might be worth the risk. As for the Lakers, they are not used to loosing or playing second fiddle to the Clippers. Randle is a good prospect but probably won't be a huge help this season. If LA wants to get any kind of help for this year out of a Nash trade this might be the best offer.

Thoughts???

czar · Post #2 » by **czar** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:04 am

GSR121 wrote:Rumor has it that LA is looking to trade Nash. We all know he is out for the year (maybe for ever) but he is a good size exp. contract. I see this year as more of a "developmental" season than anything for the Pistons. If that is the case would the Pistons be willing to gamble on this?

Det out: Jennings, Jerebko, Mitchell.

LAL out: Nash and Randle.

Why for Detroit: Pick up Randle and get a exp. deal for Jennings. It would leave us VERY thin at PG with DJ being the starter and we would probably have to pick up a backup off the waiver wires, at least until Dinwiddie gets his feet under him. Randle gives us insurance if Moose leaves at the end of the season and opens the door for a Smith trade if one comes along.

Why for LAL: If LA is going to move Nash for anything of value, they are going to have to sweeten the deal some how. With them not being able to trade a first round pick for a while they have few options. While they have Lin, Jennings would be a good sixth man and is a better player than most teams would offer. Jerebko and Mitchell are to make the numbers work.

This would be a very high risk, High reward trade for both teams. The Pistons have few options a PG after this and the free agent pool is shallow. But getting Randle and getting out of Jennings contract might be worth the risk. As for the Lakers, they are not used to loosing or playing second fiddle to the Clippers. Randle is a good prospect but probably won't be a huge help this season. If LA wants to get any kind of help for this year out of a Nash trade this might be the best offer.

Thoughts???

This is actually a pretty solid trade. I would then sign Barea if this went through. He would compliment DJ perfectly off the bench. Not a big help on D, but a very solid contributor in the offensive end. If we could live with Jennings then I'm sure we could live with Barea :lol:

The Penguin · Post #3 » by **The Penguin** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:34 am

Lakers hang up the phone laughing.

Uncle Mxy · Post #4 » by **Uncle Mxy** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:48 am

This trade TOTALLY makes sense if we throw Aaron Gray into the mix. Uh huh.

ImHeisenberg · Post #5 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:02 am

Lakers already have Jeremy Lin, I doubt they sacrifice Randle for Jennings.

Furthermore, I doubt Detroit pursues an unproven talent when they currently have a lot of depth at PF and don't have a tremendous need for Randle.

ElectricMayhem · Post #6 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:25 pm

I would love Randle, but don't see why the Lakers do this. I think they are content to let Kobe live out his days trying to recapture his glory days while secretly tanking in preparation for L.A.K.E.R. (Life After Kobe Eventually Retires).

...I just made that up on the spot....How 'bout that?

Pharaoh · Post #7 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:10 pm

ElectricMayhem wrote:I would love Randle, but don't see why the Lakers do this. I think they are content to let Kobe live out his days trying to recapture his glory days while secretly tanking in preparation for L.A.K.E.R. (Life After Kobe Eventually Retires).

...I just made that up on the spot....How 'bout that?

Well done!

I too believe the Lakers are happy for Kobe to go down swinging while they look to grab young, cheap assets

Expirings aren't as valuable as they used to be, the cap is projected to sky rocket...Lakers best bet is to keep a clean cap sheet, build through the draft until Kobe retires then dive into free agency

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Bakuto · Post #8 » by **Bakuto** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:34 pm

The GM of the Lakers would have a heart attack at that offer.

Whisper · Post #9 » by **Whisper** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:43 pm

Catalysm wrote:The GM of the Lakers would have a heart attack at that offer.

If that were to happen, would the Lakers then hire someone who the basketball community respected??

Post #10 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:44 pm

Yeah, there's no way this happens.

Hopefully there are no Laker fans browsing this forum, because this one will get some heckling.

No way will a team trade an expiring AND a guy they just took in the mid-lottery for Brandon Jennings. He just doesn't have that kind of value. I frankly don't consider him an upgrade over Lin at all.

joeposh · Post #11 » by **joeposh** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:47 pm

I glanced at this trade and thought we were unloading all those pieces in a pure salary dump for Nash's expiring... then I noticed the replies mentioning Randle and had to scroll back and laugh.

No way LA does this deal. Solid PG's are easy to come by on a reasonable salary these days -- young, quality big men are not. They'll happily stash Nash and keep that money for free agency.

Kilo · Post #12 » by **Kilo** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:22 pm

If LA is looking to trade Nash rather than having his money for FA in the off-season I think it's tacit admittance that nobody will choose to play with Kobe so they trade for somebody with equal length contract to Kobe's deal (ie one year remaining after this current season) and then have monster cap space that following off-season when Kobe's contract is off the books along with this newly acquired player.

I think LAL could be somewhat interested in a Jennings for Nash straight up - but I don't think Stan Van is near ready to make such a dump and give up on Jennings yet, and when Van Gundy is ready to, the LAL would no longer be interested in him either.

Jennings is a Cali kid, slobbers Kobe on twitter every chance he gets, is a point guard with a lot of untapped potential still, and only have one year on his contract after this current season ie he'll be a FA same year as Kobe comes off the books.

The Penguin · Post #13 » by **The Penguin** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:31 pm

Kilo wrote:If LA is looking to trade Nash rather than having his money for FA in the off-season I think it's tacit admittance that nobody will choose to play with Kobe so they trade for somebody with equal length contract to Kobe's deal (ie one year remaining after this current season) and then have monster cap space that following off-season when Kobe's contract is off the books along with this newly acquired player.

I think LAL could be somewhat interested in a Jennings for Nash straight up - but I don't think Stan Van is near ready to make such a dump and give up on Jennings yet, and when Van Gundy is ready to, the LAL would no longer be interested in him either.

Jennings is a Cali kid, slobbers Kobe on twitter every chance he gets, is a point guard with a lot of untapped potential still, and only have one year on his contract after this current season ie he'll be a FA same year as Kobe comes off the books.

It looks like Scott views Kobe as the defacto PG and they could use someone to play next to him in the backcourt. That's why Lin has fallen out of favor for Ronnie Price as Lin is a ball dominant player and Price can play off the ball. Jennings is also a ball dominant player.

Nash's expiring and change for Eric Gordon might be a deal that makes sense for them. He could play as an off guard to Kobe and handle the ball a bit. His contract expires along with Kobe's.

whitehops · Post #14 » by **whitehops** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:41 pm

they might consider it if you swapped randle for boozer lol.

horrible trade for both sides, imo.

MotownMadness · Post #15 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:40 pm

Lol at Lakers trading Randle for a joke like Brandon Jennings.

tmorgan · Post #16 » by **tmorgan** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:57 pm

What's the incentive for the Lakers here? To have BJ at point guard?

If Jennings plays the right way this year (and he's off to a good start in the pre-season), he does have trade value on a 8mil/year contract, but people will rightly wonder if separating him from SVG will turn him back into a crazy chucker.

Randle, a top ten (arguably should have been top five) pick in a loaded draft, has waaaaaaay more value than that. The expirings of Nash (won't play), Jerebko (small value), and Mitchell (no value) have nothing to do with this.

Post #17 » by **theBigLip** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:24 pm

I would think Jennings/Monroe might get us Randle/Nash. That is a much more interesting trade.

BTW, as most everyone realizes, the Lakers are looking in big trouble this year. Kobe may score 40 a game, but unless he plays like he is 25, they are going to lose a lot of games. I'd think they will be open to do something this year to improve their roster. Monroe would have to look good for their long term plans.

tmorgan · Post #18 » by **tmorgan** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:51 pm

theBigLip wrote:I would think Jennings/Monroe might get us Randle/Nash. That is a much more interesting trade.

BTW, as most everyone realizes, the Lakers are looking in big trouble this year. Kobe may score 40 a game, but unless he plays like he is 25, they are going to lose a lot of games. I'd think they will be open to do something this year to improve their roster. Monroe would have to look good for their long term plans.

If Monroe signs a long-term contract with the Lakers, they'd certainly consider that. Assuming Moose is still leaving us anyway, we'd be stupid not to take it, too. In fact, that'd be awesome, because we'd only be paying Randle about what Monroe is making on his QO, leaving us more money to work with. Randle has better range than Monroe, too.

Interesting. It'd kill our season this year, though. Not sure that's a good idea.

Post #19 » by **theBigLip** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:49 pm

tmorgan wrote:
theBigLip wrote:I would think Jennings/Monroe might get us Randle/Nash. That is a much more interesting trade.

BTW, as most everyone realizes, the Lakers are looking in big trouble this year. Kobe may score 40 a game, but unless he plays like he is 25, they are going to lose a lot of games. I'd think they will be open to do something this year to improve their roster. Monroe would have to look good for their long term plans.

If Monroe signs a long-term contract with the Lakers, they'd certainly consider that. Assuming Moose is still leaving us anyway, we'd be stupid not to take it, too. In fact, that'd be awesome, because we'd only be paying Randle about what Monroe is making on his QO, leaving us more money to work with. Randle has better range than Monroe, too.

Interesting. It'd kill our season this year, though. Not sure that's a good idea.

To have a long term PF to pair with Drummond for a player that we may lose anyway? That would be great. Not sure how much it would kill our season. Augustine would get a lot more minutes (and Dinwiddie!), and Smith/Randle would be fine at PF. I think our season wouldn't suffer too much.

tmorgan · Post #20 » by **tmorgan** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:29 pm

Randle's not going to replace Monroe's production for THIS season, and Dinwiddie isn't going to replace Jennings', either. It'd probably cost us 5 wins, if not more.

It's a price I'd pay in a vacuum, but I'm sure establishing a winning environment is one of SVG's early goals. That's the interesting part of having a GM/HC as one person... will one entity sacrifice for another entity when both are the same person in different hats?