Drummond's Defense

pistontr · Post #1 » by **pistontr** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:44 pm

why doesn't it progress?

He Filled it Up · Post #2 » by **He Filled it Up** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:52 pm

I'm still very high on Drummond and expect great things out of him, but IMO we may be starting to see some of the draft concerns about his potential apathy. He seems completely disengaged, way more so than in previous seasons. I had really hoped he'd take momentum from FIBA into this season, but it seems like the opposite has occurred.

Maybe this is just related to a better (aka harder) coaching staff, and it will get better with time. But man, dude doesn't give a F.

need4detroit · Post #3 » by **need4detroit** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 3:54 pm

The Tony Mitchell syndrome.

oldfriendbear · Post #4 » by **oldfriendbear** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 4:21 pm

He Filled it Up wrote:I'm still very high on Drummond and expect great things out of him, but IMO we may be starting to see some of the draft concerns about his potential apathy. He seems completely disengaged, way more so than in previous seasons. I had really hoped he'd take momentum from FIBA into this season, but it seems like the opposite has occurred.

Maybe this is just related to a better (aka harder) coaching staff, and it will get better with time. But man, dude doesn't give a F.

Exactly where I am now. Maybe it's a personality thing and he thrives under freedom not control. It's nice to see both Davis and cousins blossom, I'm hoping the same for our two.

I'm sure it will be addressed in the future but Drummond was reaching out to svg as soon as he got the gig on how to improve and all that. It was non-stop ball after the season w summer league and fiba so fatigue has to be a factor. Sucks I'm saying this after the third game of the season...

Kilo · Post #5 » by **Kilo** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 4:29 pm

He lacks the innate feel that all the defensive dominators seem to have. Nerlens Noel showed it most recently in his performance against us. Davis has it. Mourning had it, Big Ben had it, Rodman had it etc. It doesn't help that he doesn't know how to use his size very well still, but that can be taught.

Spider156 · Post #6 » by **Spider156** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 4:38 pm

Drummond has a long way to go. I'm jus glad this season someone actually asks him to do a lot more things and it's showing on court. The reason we start SMith is because we want to post Dre. What if Monroe posted with Dre on the side? It doesn't matter cuz if you want Dre to get better then this is what must be done. As far his defense goes, I'm not too worried about that. He's spending a lot of his energy on offense. As soon as he gets better at some things, his defense will get better.

Kilo · Post #7 » by **Kilo** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 5:15 pm

Also worth pointing out that he has been in foul trouble all three games it seems. Probably easing up on defense a bit because he doesn't want to pick up more fouls.

princeofpalace · Post #8 » by **princeofpalace** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 5:16 pm

Drummonds not a good defender. He is a better weakside and help defender than Monroe, but Greg is actually a better post defender. I know that’s hard for some to hear. To be honest, Drummond needs to focus on defense before he even starts to look for his shot. We need him to anchor our defense and block shots far more than we need for him to score because a great C is one who plays great defense.

I agree that we are starting to see the predraft concerns with Drummond come to light. He’s looking like a guy who just wants to coast based off his size and athleticism and not like a guy who is always looking to compete. I don’t know if its exacerbated by the fact that we have too many who don’t care enough to play hard in Jennings and Smith. But, we def need to see some more energy and fire from Andre. He will never be a superstar player, if he’s unwilling to compete.

Hopefully SVG can light a fire underneath him but I also think that we need a leader and energy guy on this team. Someone who can go out and give out 100% each game and lead by example. Our veteran “leaders” have failed because they are too old to lead by example, Billups was done when he returned here and Butler is done now. I think Andre would truly benefit from some additional leadership on this team

Also, I think we need to temper our expectations of Andre and stop comparing him to Dwight and stop suggesting that we build this team around Andre the way that SVG built it around Dwight. Howard was a 18/12 guy in his third season with great defense the year before SVG went to Orlando. It's clear this isn't the year that Drummond has that type of impact. He was so raw when he drafted him, I think years 4-5 will be his breakout year.

ImHeisenberg · Post #9 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 6:12 pm

Easy answer- Drummond's overrated on this board. He simply isn't that great of a player yet.

He hasn't played with a sense of urgency or passion thus far.

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Ghost · Post #10 » by **Ghost** » Tue Nov 4, 2014 6:38 pm

Can we put some of the effect on being in foul trouble as well as being more involved on the offensive end of the court and being with a new coaching staff?

Before all he was looked to do was catch lobs and get offensive rebounds, but now every once and awhile he does also end up with the ball in his hands in the post. So there's more pressure on him to perform and be involved, and it's early in the year with a new system and he's expected to know what to do... and it may be shocking right now how everything is going.

That being said, is KCP really a 26% shooter? :lol:

will it be there at the end of the year? No. It's 3 **** games.

Bknight4three · Post #11 » by **Bknight4three** » Wed Nov 5, 2014 3:28 pm

Well considering the main reason Dre is always in foul trouble is because he lacks of discipline, I don't think it is much of an excuse. If you are in the right spots (some of this is natural instinct and some is learn-able) then you rarely pick up fouls. Dre is also called for a lot "cheap" fouls because he likes to reach and put a hand on defenders. The more you do things like that, the more you will get called for it.

Billl · Post #12 » by **Billl** » Wed Nov 5, 2014 3:53 pm

Dre is actually blocking more shots and grabbing more defensive rebounds per minute than he did last year. Unfortunately, he hasn't figured out how to put forth more effort without fouling. He trying, but he's often playing catchup and out of position.

Hopefully, he keeps positive and keeps the effort up and keeps listening to SVG. He desperately needs some good coaching on that end. It's going to take a while to establish good defensive habits, but once he does, those amazing athletic plays he makes will be game changers instead of him just catching up to the play.

DCintheD · Post #13 » by **DCintheD** » Wed Nov 5, 2014 4:06 pm

It's the Josh Smith effect. He's got a net negative effect on the whole team, especially Dre. We need a true vet leader in the post that Dre can learn from and pick up good habits from. The kid is only 21. He's not gonna figure things out on his own yet and if Smith is the main guy influincing him, we're not gonna see fast progress, if any at all.

Maker_84 · Post #14 » by **Maker_84** » Thu Nov 6, 2014 6:22 am

1. He's slow a foot laterally

2. His leaping while he gets high (not as high as i believed he could) it takes a long time so he has trouble contesting shots like we believe he should. In Other words he's a slow leaper

3. Borderline idiotic on help defense

Unfortunately all but #3 are correctable so unlikely he ever becomes an elite defender

ComboGuardCity · Post #15 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Thu Nov 6, 2014 7:12 am

Maker_84 wrote:1. He's slow a foot laterally

2. His leaping while he gets high (not as high as i believed he could) it takes a long time so he has trouble contesting shots like we believe he should. In Other words he's a slow leaper

3. Borderline idiotic on help defense

Unfortunately all but #3 are correctable so unlikely he ever becomes an elite defender

Well the good news is 1-3 are wrong.

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Phenomenonsense · Post #16 » by **Phenomenonsense** » Thu Nov 6, 2014 7:17 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:
Maker_84 wrote:1. He's slow a foot laterally

2. His leaping while he gets high (not as high as i believed he could) it takes a long time so he has trouble contesting shots like we believe he should. In Other words he's a slow leaper

3. Borderline idiotic on help defense

Unfortunately all but #3 are correctable so unlikely he ever becomes an elite defender

Well the good news is 1-3 are wrong.

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For real. Dude missed the last two seasons if he thinks that **** is for serious. Younger players have the highest learning curves for new schemes. And for Drummond the scheme literally revolves around him so he has the most to learn and be accountable for. ****, we're still a top 10 defense so we must be doing something right with him as our anchor.

pistontr · Post #17 » by **pistontr** » Thu Nov 6, 2014 10:57 am

another 5 foul in a game

BadMofoPimp · Post #18 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Nov 6, 2014 8:35 pm

I think he has trouble adjusting to SVG's schemes and conditioning. It will take some time. I think we should give Drummond 10-20 games and see how he comes along before panicking.

need4detroit · Post #19 » by **need4detroit** » Fri Nov 7, 2014 5:37 am

Maker_84 wrote:1. He's slow a foot laterally

2. His leaping while he gets high (not as high as i believed he could) it takes a long time so he has trouble contesting shots like we believe he should. In Other words he's a slow leaper

Leads the league in offensive rebounds -> slow leaper.
That makes no sense. You don't get 5 offensive rebounds in a single possession if your a slow leaper.

DTP · Post #20 » by **DTP** » Fri Nov 7, 2014 6:07 am

DCintheD wrote:It's the Josh Smith effect. He's got a net negative effect on the whole team, especially Dre. We need a true vet leader in the post that Dre can learn from and pick up good habits from. The kid is only 21. He's not gonna figure things out on his own yet and if Smith is the main guy influincing him, we're not gonna see fast progress, if any at all.

Complete bull and a total copout. Drummond's struggles has absolutely nothing to do with Smith....get real dude.