OT: Philly sux

Post #1 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:59 pm

Getting blown out by over 50. Some people say they are tanking the right way. I wonder what their season ticket sales are like. Or their per game tickets. But they are pathetic. When I saw they got blown out by 50, I was thinking everyone that plays them should pour it on heavy and continue to embarrass them. The lottery rules need to be changed for sure.

ComboGuardCity · Post #2 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:15 pm

Other than Wroten, they are routinely putting 12th men out there

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ComboGuardCity · Post #3 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:15 pm

And we probably wil lose to them

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princeofpalace · Post #4 » by **princeofpalace** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:16 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the fans on this board wanted to tank like Philly is. I think they are atrocious and have nothing to show for it especially if they trade MCW.

DBC10 · Post #5 » by **DBC10** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:18 pm

The tank is so disgustingly almost brilliant. None of their players are good enough to start on any other team except maybe MCW (Never really bought into the hype), so even if they wanted to leave, Philly wouldn't give a crap.

I'm hoping we can snatch McDaniels away somehow though, even though Philly will match easily.

The Penguin · Post #6 » by **The Penguin** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:46 pm

As far as attendance goes, they are drawing better than we are......

I'd love if our organization had the guts to pull the Philly move. Trade everyone but Drummond / KCP, surround them with young players on borderline tryouts and rent our cap space out for draft picks while racing to the bottom. Wroten is a great example, there's 29 other teams in the league who would have chained him to the bench but because Philly allowed him to play they may have found a real player.

How anyone thinks we are in better position than them, with a 30 year old Josh Smith jacking shots and taking up 1/4 of our cap, is beyond me. Our best player is probably better than 50/50 odds to walk for nothing at the end of the year. Our only hope for a franchise player is RAW. It only takes one Lebron/Durant/Brow to completely change everything and Philly is in a much better position to land that player than us and to correctly build around him than we would be.

Post #7 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:52 pm

Agree they may have a better future than us, but there should NOT BE AN INCENTIVE TO LOSE in the NBA. It just ruins the game. I understand, under the current rules, Philly has a plan and they are working it. But the rules need to change. Even lottery teams need to have incentive to beat each other, not to see who can lose.

The Penguin · Post #8 » by **The Penguin** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:09 pm

theBigLip wrote:Agree they may have a better future than us, but there should NOT BE AN INCENTIVE TO LOSE in the NBA. It just ruins the game. I understand, under the current rules, Philly has a plan and they are working it. But the rules need to change. Even lottery teams need to have incentive to beat each other, not to see who can lose.

I think the only way you are going to eliminate it is if you only had teams in California, Florida, Texas, Chicago and New York. A franchise player has so much impact on your chances for success as well as marketability. Outside of the Lebron situation, the only way the Detroits/Milwaukees/Minnesotas/Clevelands of the world are landing a player of that caliber is through the draft. Even then, unless the player has some sort of ties to the area you have to do everything right or you risk losing him to weather and tax advantaged areas.

I've lived in the midwest my entire life and it has strong ties, but if I had more than enough money to relocate my family and friends anywhere with me, you'd better believe it wouldn't be somewhere that required scraping ice off my car on November 14th.

I've yet to see a good example to fix the system. People are crazy if they think the wheel idea would actually work, a kid is just going to stay in college for another season if Milwaukee is due this year but the Lakers are up next year. It's not like the Wiggins/Parkers of the world weren't receiving money under the table while walking around as BMOC for a year. The simple truth is we are inherently disadvantaged, when presented with such a disadvantage, teams should do everything in their power to overcome.

Post #9 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:38 pm

Nice post and sorry about your current ice scrapping issues :-)

As for free agency, I think if they can keep TEAM cap limits high, but INDIVIDUAL caps low, then good free agents would naturally distribute themselves among the teams in order to get paid. Also, continue to give teams more advantages to keep their own free agents (higher increases, more years).

The wheel would be interesting because you could plan ahead. And it would also be good since there would be no incentive to lose. The other alternative would be a 3 year averaging of records, which makes it harder to tank, but I guess you could still do it but your fans would be pissed.

One other thing - it would be nice to have a percent of a players salary tied to wins. Maybe 10-20% of it is based on winning percentage. This way players would be working their asses off to get every single win, even late in the season.

Bottomline, every game needs to mean something to make it watchable. The NBA needs to fix this.

Han Solo · Post #10 » by **Han Solo** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:43 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:And we probably wil lose to them

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We will for sure.

BadMofoPimp · Post #11 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:18 pm

I wonder how many more years of being the worst team in the NBA they will have to be until they win a Superstar?

TurboTitan · Post #12 » by **TurboTitan** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:06 pm

They must really want okafor

chrbal · Post #13 » by **chrbal** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:45 pm

The Sixers have taken tanking too far. They have like 6 nba players on their roster (I don't count Richardson, because I'm pretty sure hes done). the 2 guys they got from Minnesota are playing bigger roles then they should. A good chunk of the bench shouldn't be in the NBA. and how it didn't make sense to at least sign a couple vets to one year deals just so it didn't become....well, what it has become blows my mind.

Not even because he wound up in Grand Rapids, but if I was Robert Covington I would've turned down the Sixers.

BadMofoPimp · Post #14 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:46 pm

I bet if Sixers get the worst record in the league again, they pick 3rd or 4th. Silver/Stern has been punishing those tankers for years now.

Sixers will continue to accumulate promising players that end up average.

bkseven · Post #15 » by **bkseven** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:37 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I wonder how many more years of being the worst team in the NBA they will have to be until they win a Superstar?

Embiid could become at least an all-star, same goes for Narlens

BadMofoPimp · Post #16 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:39 pm

bkseven wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:I wonder how many more years of being the worst team in the NBA they will have to be until they win a Superstar?

Embiid could become at least an all-star, same goes for Narlens

I will believe it when I see it.

epheisey · Post #17 » by **epheisey** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:46 pm

The NBA as an entire league is flawed. Every other professional sports league in the US has some semblance of parity. The NBA isn't even close.

Th salary cap structure is a complete farce. The way that small market teams can compete for big name players is by overpaying for them. Not in the NBA though, because it's impossible to do so unless you drafted the guy. Look at MLB. The Tigers are not a destination for free agents. But they continually pull in huge names (Torii Hunter, Ivan Rodriguez, Prince Fielder). Even teams like the Marlins were able to gather some talent a couple years ago because they spent the money and outbid other teams. In the NBA a player is looking for the location that can get him the most extra pay in the form of endorsement deals, and logically, where there are larger markets, there is more money.

Until the NBA scratches the "max" contract, it will forever be this way.

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BadMofoPimp · Post #18 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:55 pm

epheisey wrote:The NBA as an entire league is flawed. Every other professional sports league in the US has some semblance of parity. The NBA isn't even close.

Th salary cap structure is a complete farce. The way that small market teams can compete for big name players is by overpaying for them. Not in the NBA though, because it's impossible to do so unless you drafted the guy. Look at MLB. The Tigers are not a destination for free agents. But they continually pull in huge names (Torii Hunter, Ivan Rodriguez, Prince Fielder). Even teams like the Marlins were able to gather some talent a couple years ago because they spent the money and outbid other teams. In the NBA a player is looking for the location that can get him the most extra pay in the form of endorsement deals, and logically, where there are larger markets, there is more money.

Until the NBA scratches the "max" contract, it will forever be this way.

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Your way means the Lakers with their massive local TV contract can afford to Pay Lebron $100 mil a year to play for them and another $100 mil for Durant and another $100 mil for some other superstar so that nobody can compete with them.

Pure genius dude. :nonono:

Maybe, no max contract only for teams to resign their own players after Rookie contract is over.

Pharaoh · Post #19 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:38 pm

Has anyone thought about the Philly players?

Do you think those guys don't play hard? Do you think they don't want to win?

Given the fact no big time free agent will choose Philadelphia over a larger market or better climate how do you expect the organization to put together a contender?

The system is the problem - but how do you fix it?

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princeofpalace · Post #20 » by **princeofpalace** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:52 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Has anyone thought about the Philly players?

Do you think those guys don't play hard? Do you think they don't want to win?

Given the fact no big time free agent will choose Philadelphia over a larger market or better climate how do you expect the organization to put together a contender?

The system is the problem - but how do you fix it?

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MCW just wrote an awesome piece about he hated losing and so last year was so hard for him. MCW is giving it 100% every night but his FO is letting him down, by openly tanking. Last 6ers game, coach yelled at MCW for not getting back on D, MCW just pointed to the scoreboard cuz 6ers were down 40- that is why you don't take- it creates a losing culture. I have little doubt MCW would bolt from Phili the first chance he got.

Restructuring rookie contracts would also go a long way to discouraging tanking because players won't stay for that **** show.

Phili is a joke, I would stop supporting this team if we ever went that route. Very rarely do teams recover from tanking.