Tuning up the Pistons

Blkbrd671 · Post #1 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:26 am

Detroit In: Middleton, Illysova, Henson
Milwakee in: Monroe,Gigi, Mitchell

Milwakee Gets moose who is a perfect compliment to Sanders. Moose and BK7 are best friends, he maybe able to convince moose to stay. Mil looks like legit playoff contender this year, Moose would help them take that next step. Gigi still has potential, though his ceiling is a 3 point specialist. Mitchel gets buried on the bench with all his potential

Detroit changes moose into pieces that fit around dre better. Illy is a legit stretch 4 and defensively sound. Middleton maybe a long term piece, at worst he's a 3 and D SF, and better than anything we have on our bench. Henson maybe a potential long term piece next to Dre. I don't think we pay him, but he's a legit double double guy.

Detroit in: J. Thompson, D. Williams
SAC in: Smith

Detroit sheds it self of Smith, i'd even take Landry and Williams at this point. Smith's lackadaisical dumb mistake attitude is contagious. He needs a change of scenery and detroit needs a change. We get a legit PF either off the bench or starting and D. Williams will compete with our load of SF's for minutes. We surround Dre with more compliment players.

SAC gets Smith , who to be honest is a hard sell. I think SAC's environment would be good for smith, and i think Smith is a compliment to Demarcus. This also would in theory make rondo a prime target for them.

Detroit in: Meyers Leonard or Robin Lopez or Chris Kaman
Portland In: DJ Augustine

Detroit gets a legit backup center which is a need. Also Augustines departure opens up minutes for Dinwiddie who we'll force feed minutes. Kaman in all honesty would be the best selection , his scoring ability and the fact that he's a veteran is exactly what our team needs. Lopez would be a poor mans version of Varejo and leonard is a low risk high potential piece, whom i'd lease want of the three.

Portland gets a better backup PG.

We become:

Jennings/Dinwiddie
KCP/MEEKS/Martin
Middleton/Singler/Butler/Williams
Thompson/JJ/Illy/Henson
Dre/Kaman

Honestly, i don't see how we can possibly be worst. Looking at our team it looks like they have given up, we need a new attitude and we need to focus on ultimately whats important, and that's Dre. We surround him with a boat load of shooters, veteran presence, and players who don't know how much we suck. At worst we suck donkey dack and get a lotto piece to add to our core, and best we become a better shooting defensive team and at least contend for the playoffs. Either way we force feed dre minutes, and we set the blueprint for the future.

gusman · Post #2 » by **gusman** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:38 am

This thread should have been titled "engine swap".

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tmorgan · Post #3 » by **tmorgan** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:50 am

Milwaukee doesn't give up real assets (particularly Henson and Middleton) for Monroe unless they can sign him... as part of the deal. Moose has no good reason to do that unless it's a max offer, and even then, he might be looking for someplace closer to REAL contention and a bigger market.

I think Greg's going to see if he can get a max offer (or close to it) and play at home with Brow in N'awlins. That's a damn near perfect fit for him, although Asik would need to be moved.

gusman · Post #4 » by **gusman** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:22 am

I don't think unathletic big men can be choosers

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epheisey · Post #5 » by **epheisey** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:36 am

gusman wrote:I don't think unathletic big men can be choosers

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Quality big men, regardless of which side of the court they excel on, can indeed be choosers.

Check David Lee, Al Jefferson, Chris Bosh.

engelbert321 · Post #6 » by **engelbert321** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:30 am

Oh I thought you said tuning out.

Blkbrd671 · Post #7 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:39 pm

gusman wrote:This thread should have been titled "engine swap".

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lol, right

Blkbrd671 · Post #8 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:43 pm

tmorgan wrote:Milwaukee doesn't give up real assets (particularly Henson and Middleton) for Monroe unless they can sign him... as part of the deal. Moose has no good reason to do that unless it's a max offer, and even then, he might be looking for someplace closer to REAL contention and a bigger market.

I think Greg's going to see if he can get a max offer (or close to it) and play at home with Brow in N'awlins. That's a damn near perfect fit for him, although Asik would need to be moved.

Milwakee is deep with role players, they have no real low post threat quite like Moose. As you said they don't give up real assets, other than henson, nor should they for a potential rental. However with Kidd there, and gettin them to play winning basketball(so far) and other young assets, they could convince moose to stay. BK is his best friend, which would further entice him. Moose helps milwakee take that next step at minimal cost.

Post #9 » by **Snakebites** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:26 am

I wonder how many times I or someone else has tried to explain why a trade of Monroe is for all practical purposes impossible to work out.

No team has any incentive to deal for him.

epheisey · Post #10 » by **epheisey** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:17 am

Snakebites wrote:I wonder how many times I or someone else has tried to explain why a trade of Monroe is for all practical purposes impossible to work out.

No team has any incentive to deal for him.

I look forward to this post every time someone suggests trading Monroe.

Blkbrd671 · Post #11 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:25 am

Snakebites wrote:I wonder how many times I or someone else has tried to explain why a trade of Monroe is for all practical purposes impossible to work out.

No team has any incentive to deal for him.

As i explained Milwakee does this in a effort to get deeper in the playoffs as he is a perfect compliment to Sanders, and Moose would okay the trade as it is to BK. Milwakee also gives up pieces that aren't part of their long term plans.

Post #12 » by **Timmaytime** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:06 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:Detroit in: Meyers Leonard or Robin Lopez or Chris Kaman

One of these things, is not like the other

One of these things, doesn't belong

Post #13 » by **Timmaytime** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:08 am

epheisey wrote:
gusman wrote:I don't think unathletic big men can be choosers

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Quality big men, regardless of which side of the court they excel on, can indeed be choosers.

Check David Lee, Al Jefferson, Chris Bosh.

Bosh was very athletic back in the day. And even still you're really just talking about guys that play under the rim which doesn't necessarily mean a lack of athleticism, just look at Timmy D

Blkbrd671 · Post #14 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:49 pm

Timmaytime wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:Detroit in: Meyers Leonard or Robin Lopez or Chris Kaman

One of these things, is not like the other

One of these things, doesn't belong

We aren't exactly giving up a huge asset here. Kaman is as good offensively as he is bad defensivly. Meyers leonard is a athletic freak, but still raw. Lopez brings size and 2nd chance points.

That_Guy_Fresh · Post #15 » by **That_Guy_Fresh** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 12:21 am

Josh Smith is still a damn good ball player but on THIS team he doesn't fit. Simple as that. The reason he is shooting 38% is because he rarely gets easy baskets. Everything for him is going 1 on 1 going into traffic or a jumper. He shot selections has been decent.

This season is a lost unless we win the next 3. I look for DET to trade Smith. SAC is a team I think Smith will be perfect on and that team HAS to make the playoffs this year. No if ands or buts. So Smith to SAC is a trade I think they should and WILL try to do. Other teams I think might get him are New Orleans, BOS & Indiana.

I think Monroe is also gone. No way in heck he signs with DET long term if he has a choice. He's a good post player and great rebounder. Teams like PHX and MIL could use him.

No reason to keep anybody not named Drummond and MAYBE KCP. No lineup SVG tries, No matter who comes off the bench is gonna make the team better.

Pharaoh · Post #16 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 12:36 am

Smith is being showcased & has been all season. SVG obviously wants him off the team but he's not going to give him away for nothing.

This is SVGs first season...it's gonna take a while to fix the mess he was left with.

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Post #17 » by **Timmaytime** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 3:42 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:
Timmaytime wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:Detroit in: Meyers Leonard or Robin Lopez or Chris Kaman

One of these things, is not like the other

One of these things, doesn't belong

We aren't exactly giving up a huge asset here. Kaman is as good offensively as he is bad defensivly. Meyers leonard is a athletic freak, but still raw. Lopez brings size and 2nd chance points.

Thats what i'm saying, it would take a lot more to get Lopez

Blkbrd671 · Post #18 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 3:58 am

Timmaytime wrote:
Thats what i'm saying, it would take a lot more to get Lopez

Really!? he's pretty much a backup hustle center at this point. i don't think Portland see's him as their future center

Blkbrd671 · Post #19 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 4:00 am

Pharaoh wrote:Smith is being showcased & has been all season. SVG obviously wants him off the team but he's not going to give him away for nothing.

This is SVGs first season...it's gonna take a while to fix the mess he was left with.

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we are gettin to the point where anything would be good. I was definitely not for Smith for just expiring due to the fact that , the downgrade in talent wouldn't help this team win. Problem is that the talent on this team, isn't condusive to winning and that starts with smith and our lack of spacing and inability to create points in the 4th quarter

Post #20 » by **Timmaytime** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 5:10 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:
Timmaytime wrote:
Thats what i'm saying, it would take a lot more to get Lopez

Really!? he's pretty much a backup hustle center at this point. i don't think Portland see's him as their future center

he's averaging 15/10/2blks per 36, he's got a great drtg and fg% allowed at the rim and he's one of the most efficient offensive players in the game (59%TS)

If you use WS/48 he'd be the best player on our team by a mile