Will Van Gundy Fire Van Gundy if we continue to fail?

wire28 · Post #1 » by **wire28** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 12:41 am

President Van Gundy has to be losing his mind watching Coach Van Gundy have us go out there and have us get run out the gym night after night. Will President Van Gundy make a change or is he too loyal to Coach Van Gundy? If we lose to Philly methinks Coach Van Gundy will be getting a call upstairs to talk to his boss.

Kilo · Post #2 » by **Kilo** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 12:48 am

Nah, Coach Van Gundy will storm into President Van Gundy's office and demand trades are made to fix this broken roster.

ImHeisenberg · Post #3 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 1:37 am

I wouldn't be shocked if his long term plan is possibly grooming a new head coach and moving exclusively into the front office- similar to what Pat Riley did in Miami.

Pharaoh · Post #4 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 2:21 am

Pres SVG is trying to remake an entire organization! That requires stability in the coaching staff.

I think people seriously underestimated the absolute failure of Joe Dumars!

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epheisey · Post #5 » by **epheisey** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 2:21 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:I wouldn't be shocked if his long term plan is possibly grooming a new head coach and moving exclusively into the front office- similar to what Pat Riley did in Miami.

Nah, there was a good article written when he first signed here about why he was so adamant on having the GM/President title. He basically was left with a bad taste in his mouth from his two previous, and only, head coaching stops. In both situations, he was leading a winning, successful team, and got canned because of team politics. Having control as team president he doesn't have to look over his shoulder and sacrifice authority to appease players.

I think he'd also be hesitant to play the Pat Riley role for a very similar reason of putting a new coach into that same position.

He's here for the long haul on this one. For better or worse.

pistontr · Post #6 » by **pistontr** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 2:33 am

roster is the problem. we have hired 146 coaches since 2007. enough.

MrBigShot · Post #7 » by **MrBigShot** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 2:54 am

Nah, no way. The draw of coming here for him was being able to coach #1, but secondarily being able to have unity between the coaching and FO, which is now present since he's the coach and president. I don't think he wants to be exclusively a FO guy.

Nobody should get fired. Just ride out the season, try to trade away Smith, hopefully end up with a top 2-3 pick and draft BPA. And rehire Sheed as a bigman coach.

JD43320 · Post #8 » by **JD43320** » Mon Dec 1, 2014 3:10 am

Your thread is bad and you should feel bad. This team has a terrible roster full of players that nobody wants. There are two players we could trade that might get us something in return. One is Dre which we won't trade. The other is Monroe who loses his Bird rights if we trade him and can refuse any trade. There is no one in the history of history that could clean up 8 years of endless Dumars stupidity in one off season. We need a high draft pick. We need to be bad. :banghead:

wire28 · Post #9 » by **wire28** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 12:48 am

JD43320 wrote:Your thread is bad and you should feel bad.

Ghost · Post #10 » by **Ghost** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 1:38 am

wire28 wrote:
JD43320 wrote:Your thread is bad and you should feel bad.

Yeah, you better frown.

Spider156 · Post #11 » by **Spider156** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 2:50 am

It's really sad. After the 11th game (Orlando), I finally saw the truth behind the team. It was just THIS bad. It wasn't about closing games, they just don't have enough talent. I haven't watched a full game since then. I honestly get emotional over it. I've been following this team for years now and I just can't handle watching them lose every game like this. It's really sad. And right now I'm not sure if I see a light at the end of the tunnel. Drummond isn't even showing up like he used to. The season is long gone. It's just a matter of how good our GM is. As a hardcore fan I'm not sure how long I can keep watching. It's just really hard. There's absolutely no excuse in losing this much. It's a matter of execution and our players just don't want it enough. Everyone needs to go. Everyone...

Warspite · Post #12 » by **Warspite** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 5:02 am

In Detroit it is always the coaches fault.

If we brought in Phil in the offseason to coach and be GM this thread would still be made and posters would want to fire Phil freakin Jackson when the team plays bad. Dont blame the players.....

Did any of you think that maybe SVG is tanking? Well its a back door tanking. He is teaching his system and putting the foundation in place this yr. He doesnt care about wins and loses only how they play.

Pharaoh · Post #13 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 8:02 am

Warspite wrote:In Detroit it is always the coaches fault.

Did any of you think that maybe SVG is tanking? Well its a back door tanking. He is teaching his system and putting the foundation in place this yr. He doesnt care about wins and loses only how they play.

THIS!

SVG is here for 5 years! He's trying to build something special here, around Drummond.

That's a process that began in the off-season but won't be complete for another 2 seasons at the earliest!

Patience is a virtue

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wire28 · Post #14 » by **wire28** » Tue Dec 2, 2014 11:40 pm

Warspite wrote:In Detroit it is always the coaches fault.

If we brought in Phil in the offseason to coach and be GM this thread would still be made and posters would want to fire Phil freakin Jackson when the team plays bad. Dont blame the players.....

Did any of you think that maybe SVG is tanking? Well its a back door tanking. He is teaching his system and putting the foundation in place this yr. He doesnt care about wins and loses only how they play.

who is he putting the foundation in for, theres probably 2 players max with enough talent to stay here beyond this year :lol:

MrBigShot · Post #15 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 12:13 am

Drummond/Meeks/Butler/KCP/DJA/Monroe/Jennings are all guys that could find a role and fit on a contender imo, albeit some of them with limited roles (i.e. DJA back up PG in a good system, Butler mostly as a veteran presence, Meeks limited minutes off the bench shooting). Josh Smith as well, but his game is very dependent on where/who he's playing with. Put him on a far better team where he is the 4th option and suddenly he'd be a pretty good player again.

It doesn't mean much if our top players aren't great though. Honestly, we need to draft someone who can become a TRUE, legitimate franchise player. We aren't a big FA destination and our core that was Knight/KCP/Monroe/Drummond before the start of the off season before this year's is really just Dre/KCP, with moose one foot out the door.

Han Solo · Post #16 » by **Han Solo** » Wed Dec 3, 2014 12:19 am

We all complain about picking 8-9 in the draft and with a year we aren't going to fix.. I'd rather play the youth, somehow make a trade (or 2), and not tank, but use this season as a way to get the players Van Gundy wants to start with. Fire-sale and keep only what is needed.

It will hurt being terrible, but this roster is a mess.. Not just talent, but chemistry. No strong leaders on this team that are a significant talent. Let Moose walk too.. He's part of the losing culture.

Make everyone available not named Drummond. Drummond is a nice center and will work with Van Gundy's system going forward.. Just has to learn.. He is still just a kid.

kurtis48239 · Post #17 » by **kurtis48239** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 9:37 pm

What I dont understand is why stan signed a bunch of bench guys with our cap,when thats exactly what 98 % of this team is made up of.I bet hes really regretting that one,I bet he wishes he should of made that trade with sac to unload josh-max out monroe-and bring in a couple of good pieces with the cap.

Now maybe it was hes plan all along to tank the season,so all his moves make since (except moose).

Maybe there is some way we can add another 1st to this up coming draft.

JD43320 · Post #18 » by **JD43320** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 10:26 pm

We didn't get better players in free agency because better players wanted no part of coming here. Every major free agent except Melo went to a playoff team.

DTP · Post #19 » by **DTP** » Fri Dec 5, 2014 10:02 pm

Not sure which is bad at this point....the ignorant of the fan base or the actual team. Both are pretty sad...

mercury · Post #20 » by **mercury** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 1:29 am

Every year it's the same thing... first couple of months fire the coach/GM.
If someone has a proven track record he deserves at least two years to make his mark.
I wouldn't even be concerned with rotations this early in his tenure.... if he wants to experiment with lineups and give them a few weeks to see if they can create some decent chemistry that's fine... or OTOH prove that it doesn't work... no problem.
This is a learning year for the coach & GM... give him some breathing room. He's not dumb (of course we are all more qualified lol)
Sometimes the GM would like to see players get a chance to prove they are worth trading for.... sometimes they would like a chance to develop a young player to think with a new purpose of execution that they haven't shown yet due to poor coaching.
What's the hurry?... worse case we get a high pick this year.