Monroe And Drummond Need To Start Together

Spider156 · Post #1 » by **Spider156** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 7:40 am

I think this topic deserves its own thread. The Celtics game showed great potential and I think benching Smith would be a major positive. Let him be the "sixth man."

Let's go Stan! Bench Smith!!

MotownMadness · Post #2 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 7:44 am

Umm yup. Its just such a advantage with the two of them playing together. It just allows us to dominate the paint and offensive glass.

Lucidity · Post #3 » by **Lucidity** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 8:04 am

In other news the sky is blue but we've all known this for 2 years now.

The Monroe/Drummond ship has sailed, we had a once in a generation chance with 2 under 24 players with the potential to be top 5ish at their prospective positions & we passed on it to sign Josh Smith to the largest contract in franchise history.

It's the Josh Smith express for the next 2 years. It's time we face it.

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vic · Post #4 » by **vic** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 10:26 am

I won't give up!

Frank was a nerd, inflexible, and Drummind was a rookie.
Cheeks was wise (in hindsight) but had no control and was a losing coach.

I know SVG has a brain in his head somewhere, and balls in his pants somewhere, somehow. I'm not sure where they are yet, but I know they will show up and make an appearance on the sidelines sometime this year!

Svg has a winning record, people that win, win for a reason! I have to believe that both his brain aNd his balls will make an appearance sometime soon, hopefully before 2015 starts!

princeofpalace · Post #5 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 10:53 am

Unfortunately we have a coach who would rather ride Josh Smith instead of do the obvious. I don't know how many more games it will take for SVG to realize that his reliance on Smith is the reason that we are so horrible offensively. Not sure how SVG justifies calling Monroe a "go to guy" but then he's got Monroe taking the 4th most attempts a game and wonders why we are so bad offensively when Smith is leading us in FGA at 15 while shooting 37% Its mind boggling a this point.

We had an opportunity to build a very good future around Monroe/Drummond but sadly Joe D signed the disaster thats Josh Smith and SVG failed to move him when he could and is now riding him hard. I want to believe that a light bulb will go off in SVG's head but sadly- I bet we'll see more of the same.

Ghost · Post #6 » by **Ghost** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 11:00 am

6 games until December 15th.. I hope we make a move not long after that.

The Penguin · Post #7 » by **The Penguin** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 12:06 pm

Ghost wrote:6 games until December 15th.. I hope we make a move not long after that.

I think Monroe gets dealt as soon as it's legal and we get a decent picks/prospects package. Wouldn't be surprised to see SVG allow Josh to do whatever to tank/attempt to get through to him that he has to change. Depending on how this season goes we'll either have a reformed Josh (not likely) or we'll sell him to anyone and move forward with the youth movement.

gusman · Post #8 » by **gusman** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 12:21 pm

Have to play smith. Need the asset to have value.

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Ghost · Post #9 » by **Ghost** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 12:22 pm

The Penguin wrote:
Ghost wrote:6 games until December 15th.. I hope we make a move not long after that.

I think Monroe gets dealt as soon as it's legal and we get a decent picks/prospects package. Wouldn't be surprised to see SVG allow Josh to do whatever to tank/attempt to get through to him that he has to change. Depending on how this season goes we'll either have a reformed Josh (not likely) or we'll sell him to anyone and move forward with the youth movement.

I really think Smith will be moved to either Charlotte or Sacramento. I know the majority of us have grown to hate his play, but I do believe he could help those situations. He just can't help our situation.
I don't know about Monroe, it's an almost impossible situation.. best case is that SVG already knows 100% what Monroe is doing. I don't want to gamble on it. If he's going to sign an extension, then we can hang on to him. If he's not, we have to get something, ANYthing for him.

ImHeisenberg · Post #10 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 12:24 pm

I don't see the point. Monroe didn't play more minutes that Josh last night? It still resulted in a loss. Sure, Moose brought the Pistons back in the 4th, he was an offensive beast.

But, he was also a defensive liability as well, with the Celtics forwards attacking any time Moose was their cover, either getting open on the perimeter and getting an open jumper or just dribbling past Moose with his statue style defense.

princeofpalace · Post #11 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 12:40 pm

Are we really pretending like it was Monroe's man that won the game for Boston? Green and Sully went off from 3 in overtime, those guys were primarily being covered by Butler and Drummond.

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"They played well but they had trouble on Sullinger's two threes, especially for Andre when he has to guard someone who pulls him away from the basket," Van Gundy said.

Green had 5 in OT, Sully had 10 but keep burying your head in the sand and pretend that Monroe was being exploited on defense while his man barely got touches in OT. Thats not even mentioning that Olynk was destroying Smith in the 4th before Smith thankfully fouled out.

Most teams do not have centers that can hit the 3 that will take Drummond from the basket. Monroe/Drummond clearly gives us the best option to win games- ppl really need to stop pretending that Greg is a liability on defense while asserting that either Smith or Drummond are defensive stalwarts.

DetroitSho · Post #12 » by **DetroitSho** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:10 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:I don't see the point. Monroe didn't play more minutes that Josh last night? It still resulted in a loss. Sure, Moose brought the Pistons back in the 4th, he was an offensive beast.

But, he was also a defensive liability as well, with the Celtics forwards attacking any time Moose was their cover, either getting open on the perimeter and getting an open jumper or just dribbling past Moose with his statue style defense.

Seriously wtf game were you watching?

BigFatBob · Post #13 » by **BigFatBob** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 3:08 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:I don't see the point. Monroe didn't play more minutes that Josh last night? It still resulted in a loss. Sure, Moose brought the Pistons back in the 4th, he was an offensive beast.

But, he was also a defensive liability as well, with the Celtics forwards attacking any time Moose was their cover, either getting open on the perimeter and getting an open jumper or just dribbling past Moose with his statue style defense.

Seriously wtf game were you watching?

Heisenberg is right on this one DetroitSho. Will we ever see Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond play together and not lose the game?

DetroitSho · Post #14 » by **DetroitSho** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 3:31 pm

BigFatBob wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:I don't see the point. Monroe didn't play more minutes that Josh last night? It still resulted in a loss. Sure, Moose brought the Pistons back in the 4th, he was an offensive beast.

But, he was also a defensive liability as well, with the Celtics forwards attacking any time Moose was their cover, either getting open on the perimeter and getting an open jumper or just dribbling past Moose with his statue style defense.

Seriously wtf game were you watching?

Heisenberg is right on this one DetroitSho. Will we ever see Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond play together and not lose the game?

Even more hyperbole. I'm not even sure what you're saying. Are you seriously saying the Pistons have never won a game they've played together? Orrrrrrr......

Lucidity · Post #15 » by **Lucidity** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 4:43 pm

princeofpalace wrote:Unfortunately we have a coach who would rather ride Josh Smith instead of do the obvious. I don't know how many more games it will take for SVG to realize that his reliance on Smith is the reason that we are so horrible offensively. Not sure how SVG justifies calling Monroe a "go to guy" but then he's got Monroe taking the 4th most attempts a game and wonders why we are so bad offensively when Smith is leading us in FGA at 15 while shooting 37% Its mind boggling a this point.

We had an opportunity to build a very good future around Monroe/Drummond but sadly Joe D signed the disaster thats Josh Smith and SVG failed to move him when he could and is now riding him hard. I want to believe that a light bulb will go off in SVG's head but sadly- I bet we'll see more of the same.

This pretty much sums it up.

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Lucidity · Post #16 » by **Lucidity** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 4:47 pm

princeofpalace wrote:Are we really pretending like it was Monroe's man that won the game for Boston? Green and Sully went off from 3 in overtime, those guys were primarily being covered by Butler and Drummond.

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"They played well but they had trouble on Sullinger's two threes, especially for Andre when he has to guard someone who pulls him away from the basket," Van Gundy said.

Green had 5 in OT, Sully had 10 but keep burying your head in the sand and pretend that Monroe was being exploited on defense while his man barely got touches in OT. Thats not even mentioning that Olynk was destroying Smith in the 4th before Smith thankfully fouled out.

Most teams do not have centers that can hit the 3 that will take Drummond from the basket. Monroe/Drummond clearly gives us the best option to win games- ppl really need to stop pretending that Greg is a liability on defense while asserting that either Smith or Drummond are defensive stalwarts.

Yup. Monroe has been the superior defender of the 3 so far this year.

& Again w/ a true #1 (aka what we have been ignoring for 3 years) & Monroe & Drummond as the #2 & 3 options, we win most of these close games.

Not many bigs aside from Lamarcus can do what Monroe did in the 4th qtr last night.

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Piston Pete · Post #17 » by **Piston Pete** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 5:04 pm

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think Monroe/Drummond only works in limited minutes together.

1) On offense, they both want to set camp within 7 feet of the basket and when they both do - it clogs up everything for everyone else - not to mention getting in eachother's ways
2) On defense, neither is quick enough to cover legit stretch-4's

JD43320 · Post #18 » by **JD43320** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 5:05 pm

We're going to suck no matter who starts. Sure maybe a tweak in the rotations will cause this team to get an extra win or two. So what? You want to another 8-10 pick in the draft? **** that. Bring on the tank. This team needs talent. Top tier talent. We need a top 3 pick. Funny how every year people here bitch about how we won just enough to get a late lottery pick. Now we look like the lottery team we need to be and people still bitch. We aren't going to get any talent through trades. Our players suck. Best we can hope for is to trade crap for crap on shorter contracts. This season is a big waste. Just like every season since 08. At least Gundy has the balls to go full tank instead of Dumars half measures and stupidity.

Lucidity · Post #19 » by **Lucidity** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 5:39 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think Monroe/Drummond only works in limited minutes together.

1) On offense, they both want to set camp within 7 feet of the basket and when they both do - it clogs up everything for everyone else - not to mention getting in eachother's ways
2) On defense, neither is quick enough to cover legit stretch-4's

You're definitely in the minority with Dumars & SVG who still doesn't get it. "Drummond isn't quick enough"??? A 7 footer doesn't get quicker than Drummond.

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DetroitSho · Post #20 » by **DetroitSho** » Thu Dec 4, 2014 6:03 pm

Piston Pete wrote:Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think Monroe/Drummond only works in limited minutes together.

1) On offense, they both want to set camp within 7 feet of the basket and when they both do - it clogs up everything for everyone else - not to mention getting in eachother's ways
2) On defense, neither is quick enough to cover legit stretch-4's

So we're worried about being able to guard the Ilyasova's and Ryan Andersons of the league?