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Trade 1: Detroit trades Andre Drummond to MN for Andrew Wiggins. Why for us- we need a SF. Why for MN- they have a wing glut and could use a young c with potential.
Trade 2: Detroit trades Josh Smith to Kings for Williams/Thompson. Detroit swallows their pride and takes the Kings offer for Smith which gives them more cap flexibility in FA.

Draft: PG- Emmanual Mudiay in the lottery, get the BPA in the 2nd

Resign- Greg Monroe to a 5 year max.
Resign Joel Anthony to a 1 year min contract
Sign- SF/PF Draymond Green to a 4/48 deal. Green can rebound, defend and stretch the floor.
Sign- PF Brandon Wright to a 3/18 deal. Wright is a solid backup PF- who rebounds, defends and blocks shots.
Sign- SF- Alonzo Gee to a 2 year min contract.

2015-2016 Detroit Pistons

Mudiay/Jennings/Dinwiddie
KCP/Meeks/Martin
Wiggins/Butler/Gee
Green/B. Wright/BPA
Monroe/Thompson/Anthony

We have a balanced young team that can shoot and defend. We also have superstar potential at the PG and SF spot while having Monroe's post game downlow paired with Green who can defend and stretch the defense out with his shooting.

Greg Monroe is a max? Draymond seems more worthy of the max at this point.



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gusman wrote:Greg Monroe is a max? Draymond seems more worthy of the max at this point.



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Any comments on the roster? I am uninterested in having another conversation about Gregs contract value. I think its clear that he will command a max offer from some team and Detroit's only chance at retaining him is making the money so attractive that he cannot turn it down.

We cannot lose both Monroe and Drummond and in this scenario we trade Drummond to get a young wing with star potential.

You have a weird obsession over greg monroe. If anything hes a problem.

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gusman wrote:Greg Monroe is a max? Draymond seems more worthy of the max at this point.



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Any comments on the roster? I am uninterested in having another conversation about Gregs contract value. I think its clear that he will command a max offer from some team and Detroit's only chance at retaining him is making the money so attractive that he cannot turn it down.

We cannot lose both Monroe and Drummond and in this scenario we trade Drummond to get a young wing with star potential.

the only team thats dumb enough to offer him a max are teams that are lower teir in the league like new york or new orleans. That doesnt mean we should bc hes not worth that kinda money. I can get the same production at 1/2 the price from a guy like mareese speights. Just an example.

Its time to bottom out and draft a star

Hotmayo wrote:

princeofpalace wrote:

gusman wrote:Greg Monroe is a max? Draymond seems more worthy of the max at this point.



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Any comments on the roster? I am uninterested in having another conversation about Gregs contract value. I think its clear that he will command a max offer from some team and Detroit's only chance at retaining him is making the money so attractive that he cannot turn it down.

We cannot lose both Monroe and Drummond and in this scenario we trade Drummond to get a young wing with star potential.

the only team thats dumb enough to offer him a max are teams that are lower teir in the league like new york or new orleans. That doesnt mean we should bc hes not worth that kinda money. I can get the same production at 1/2 the price from a guy like mareese speights. Just an example.

Its time to bottom out and draft a star

I'm not going to argue with you because this assertion is beyond ridiculous. However this roster features 2 top picks and its youngest starter would be 25. We are currently bottoming out which is putting us in position to land a star in Mudiay

I think it takes the right recipe to build a championship team or at least a good team. The ingredients on this team are not blending well. Maybe all it takes is the switching of one ingredients, however some of our ingredients are strong and overwhelming. If you look at 04 - 2010 team that cake sure fell flat when Chauncey was traded. At this point I feel the Pistons have a cultural and identity problem. The players have been conditioned to lose. I would love to start with Meeks next year with a brand new roster, but in my opinion the whole team needs to go. Just like we should have got rid of Stuckey and Hamilton immediately when they lead s mutiny.

It bothers me that I have never seen Josh smith and jennings even talk to each other. There is zero chemistry on this team.


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princeofpalace wrote:

Hotmayo wrote:

princeofpalace wrote:
Any comments on the roster? I am uninterested in having another conversation about Gregs contract value. I think its clear that he will command a max offer from some team and Detroit's only chance at retaining him is making the money so attractive that he cannot turn it down.

We cannot lose both Monroe and Drummond and in this scenario we trade Drummond to get a young wing with star potential.

the only team thats dumb enough to offer him a max are teams that are lower teir in the league like new york or new orleans. That doesnt mean we should bc hes not worth that kinda money. I can get the same production at 1/2 the price from a guy like mareese speights. Just an example.

Its time to bottom out and draft a star

I'm not going to argue with you because this assertion is beyond ridiculous. However this roster features 2 top picks and its youngest starter would be 25. We are currently bottoming out which is putting us in position to land a star in Mudiay

Beyond ridiculous. How so? Since weve drafted greg weve been under 500. Josh smith was in the playoffs before he came here. Jennings was in the playoffs before he came here. Weve added Drummond. We watch brandon knight leave playing for potential playoffs. Might it be just a little bit possible that greg monroe hurts a team more than helps? Hmmmmmmmmmmm

He hurts us more than josh. And thats pretty bad bc josh is playing horrible offensive efficiency. And both together means worst team in NBA.

But greg, man.

When you miss 4 layups in overtime on hollis thomspon vs the worst team in the NBA that moment SUMS GREG MONROE is a nutshell. Just that moment I can pull out every reason why greg monroe isnt a max player and how hes the weakest link on this team and why we will never be good with him.

SVG isnt gonna resign him. I dont think he ever wanted to or was going to.

And I think joe d wanted to trade him bc he desperately wanted cousins and never wanted greg.

I'm not really a fan of these kinds of threads but for future reference, Greg is gone. There is no way he is staying. I'm not a fan of him anyway he will never be worth the contract and is emotionally weak.

There is exactly zero chance that Minny would do Wiggins for Drummond.

I'll humor you and say "okay all this happens" and you're right about everything.

What I would like about this team is the defensive identity and the starter ability for the 1-3 to switch onto anyone, and Greens ability to guard 3/4s. It's a very versatile defensive potential team, great size/length/speed. However, a rim protecting center/lob catching center like a Tyson Chandler type would be really better than Monroe imo to go all-in on that identity. It's going to take a while too because Mudiay is known for not being able to shoot, KCPS shot is inconsistent, I felt like Wiggins shot was inconsistent, and Green can stretch the floor... but he's like a 30% 3pt shooter last time I checked. If the team could grow and improve their shooting together, it could be very dangerous. Overall, an interesting set of moves.

Collymore wrote:There is exactly zero chance that Minny would do Wiggins for Drummond.

Lol before the season part of the board wouldn't trade Drummond for Wiggins+Parker

Wiggins is still unproven. I don't believe Dre is untouchable like some posters here do, but if we do trade him, it should be for a proven wing player. Wiggins has potential, but potential is just that...potential. I haven't seen enough from Wiggins to convince that he'll be a star.

I like the idea of going after Green and Wright for sure, though Green would have some serious problems defensively going against the likes of Dirk/LMA/Anthony Davis/Pau at PF, but then again those guys abuse everyone anyway.

Under no circumstances should Monroe be signed to a 5 year max contract (which would be like what, 5 years/80 mil?). He's yet to make significant improvements since his 2nd year in the league and is mostly a one-way player. I don't want him to leave, but signing him to a 5 year max would set us back. His on the court production doesn't even come CLOSE to other players that typically get 5 year max deals.

I'd sooner sign Knight to a 5 year max than Monroe(though neither should get that), at least he's a two-way player who has made significant improvements in his game since coming into the league and plays with heart and hustle. Not to mention he's clutch. He's hit several game winners for Milwaukee, and he hit one for us as well. He doesn't fold in crunch time. I can't think of a single 4th quarter where Greg Monroe put us on his back and lead us to a win.

Just to look at it from a different perspective. What if our only big moves are moving Smith and letting Monroe walk? Then we just sign Anthony to the minimum. We start with this:

Jennings expiring/Augustin expiring/Dinwide
KCP/Meeks
X/Butler expiring/Martin expiring.
X/?
Drummond/Anthony expiring

Plus whatever we get for Smith, if it's to Sac, then pencil Thompson in to the backup PF.

Look at all them expirings that could be moved, even if it's just for trade exceptions to good teams. I could see playoff teams wanting either PG or Butler to come off the bench for them.

We get to draft someone.. Mudaiy, Towns, Winslow, Johnson, I don't know. But then we just "develop our talent" next year. (Get another top 5 pick). If we get an Alpha Dog personality, a leader, in the draft this year, I believe Drummond and KCP would follow and play hard every night.
I like the idea of Green because he really does hustle and he plays defense, we don't necessarily need him, but I'd love to get a guy who brings that every night for us. It'd be good for everybody. Like the 76ers, I'd take less talent for a player who was going to give it all and do everything in his power to prove everyone wrong and get better to play at one of the positions (pg/sf/pf).

Keep Drummond and every pick, make packages with the rest to try to get any team to take Jennings and Smith, burn KCP in the process, he is bad too.

Try to get expirings and some young unproven talent that you can buy cheap.

Tank the season.

If you get the 1st pick, and you will draft Okafor, trade Drummond RIGHT AWAY

Rookie scale Monroe is a pretty good player. 5 year max Monroe would be a bad player. Thats how we keep getting ourselves in this situation. Theres no need to max out someone like Monroe who doesn't move the needle forward at all since hes been here. He needs to be a teams 4th best player and not theyre 1st.

Monroe just doesnt have a high impact towards the game in terms of winning. He might give you a consistent 15&9 throughout the season but hes not going into no 4th qtr or overtime battling for wins either kinda guy. Best too just move on from him as well since hes been nothing but part of the losing culture here.

Honestly, I would just sign Kanter as Monroes replacement. Utah doesnt seem to be too high on him but I liked what I saw from him earlier this season. Hes got a actual mid range shot and would probably come cheaper then Monroe anyways. He hasnt proven as much as Monroe has in the stat sheets but sometimes others just fit in better.

Fischella wrote:Keep Drummond and every pick, make packages with the rest to try to get any team to take Jennings and Smith, burn KCP in the process, he is bad too.

Try to get expirings and some young unproven talent that you can buy cheap.

Tank the season.

If you get the 1st pick, and you will draft Okafor, trade Drummond RIGHT AWAY

I just dont think Okafor is a better prospect then Drummond. I think Okafor and Monroe are damn near the same player in terms of skillset. I would probably just draft Mudiay at this point and time and move forward with him and Drummond.

Its fair to draft Mudiay over Okafor, but Jah is a fair better prospect than Drummond, basically because he knows how to play his position and his physical, Drummond is a man child and more athletic, but he is soft, he lacks awareness on both ends and his IQ is abysmal.

If he puts it together he might be a good role player, a little better DJordan, or some sort of that, but I dont see him as a franchise palyer, ever, Okafor could be a top15 player in the league.

There is a big difference there.

Fischella wrote:Its fair to draft Mudiay over Okafor, but Jah is a fair better prospect than Drummond, basically because he knows how to play his position and his physical, Drummond is a man child and more athletic, but he is soft, he lacks awareness on both ends and his IQ is abysmal.

If he puts it together he might be a good role player, a little better DJordan, or some sort of that, but I dont see him as a franchise palyer, ever, Okafor could be a top15 player in the league.

There is a big difference there.

Okafor is a one way center with no athleticism and no range. The kid looks very polished offensively in the low post but hes no better then Monroe down there. Im just seeing Okafors absolute ceiling as a Al Jefferson but right now hes not even on Monroe's level. Top 15 player? Um not from what I see. Athleticism goes a long way in the big boy league and without that hes going to have to have amazing footwork and craftiness to be a top 15 player.