Let's Get NETS

[vic]

Can we get Deron Williams and AK47 for Jennings and Smith?

Would the Nets do it? they are just trying to save money right? I'd take Joe Johnson too if we had too.

Gores needs to eat that cost for what he's put the Pistons fans through.

Deron Williams would be a great unselfish point guard to mentor Dinwiddie, and AK47 would be a good smart defensive SF. Joe Johnson immediately becomes starting SG.

[MrBigShot]

They'd save a lot of money, but is there any other incentive for them to do that other than saving money? Their owner is one of the richest in the NBA. Maybe moving in a different direction and tanking, but I don't think that's their goal. At 8 and 11 they are still the 8th seed. I think they are more likely to try and retool or try and trade for someone with a shorter contract to try and make some big signings this off season.

Taking on both DWill and Joe would put a damper on our cap space this summer. I'd rather have cap flexibility and go after some FAs this off season (Draymond Green, Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Knight, Matthews ect...)

[MotownMadness]

Can we get Deron Williams and AK47 for Jennings and Smith?

Would the Nets do it? they are just trying to save money right? I'd take Joe Johnson too if we had too.

Gores needs to eat that cost for what he's put the Pistons fans through.

Deron Williams would be a great unselfish point guard to mentor Dinwiddie, and AK47 would be a good smart defensive SF. Joe Johnson immediately becomes starting SG.

We definitely dont want both Johnsonson and Williams. They both make LeBron james type of money. I would however trade Smith and Jennings for one of them, Preferably Johnson seeing as he only has 2 years left and would actually fill a need here.

[Ghost]

They'd save a lot of money, but is there any other incentive for them to do that other than saving money? Their owner is one of the richest in the NBA. Maybe moving in a different direction and tanking, but I don't think that's their goal. At 8 and 11 they are still the 8th seed. I think they are more likely to try and retool or try and trade for someone with a shorter contract to try and make some big signings this off season.

Taking on both DWill and Joe would put a damper on our cap space this summer. I'd rather have cap flexibility and go after some FAs this off season (Draymond Green, Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Knight, Matthews ect...)

They don't have their firsts . Ainge kind of raped them.

Their incentive for doing DWill for Smith/Jennings type would be that Jennings contract is 2 years while DWILL is 3, so they get out of 7M of the contract a year early (if they did Johnson for Smith/Jennings, we get out of Smith's contract a year early). Also, even though DWill healthy may be better, we all know his ankles are a **** timebomb. This also provides stability in the terms of health of their players.

Our incentive would be the addition by subtraction situation+when healthy DWill will work with Drummond/Monroe very well. The bad news is that we lose 7M of cap next-next offseason, as well as potentially winning more games because of Williams :/ (who is clearly not a long term solution).
(This also applies to Johnson)

[MotownMadness]

They'd save a lot of money, but is there any other incentive for them to do that other than saving money? Their owner is one of the richest in the NBA. Maybe moving in a different direction and tanking, but I don't think that's their goal. At 8 and 11 they are still the 8th seed. I think they are more likely to try and retool or try and trade for someone with a shorter contract to try and make some big signings this off season.

Taking on both DWill and Joe would put a damper on our cap space this summer. I'd rather have cap flexibility and go after some FAs this off season (Draymond Green, Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Knight, Matthews ect...)

They don't have their firsts . Ainge kind of raped them.

Their incentive for doing DWill for Smith/Jennings type would be that Jennings contract is 2 years while DWILL is 3, so they get out of 7M of the contract a year early (if they did Johnson for Smith/Jennings, we get out of Smith's contract a year early). Also, even though DWill healthy may be better, we all know his ankles are a **** timebomb. This also provides stability in the terms of health of their players.

Our incentive would be the addition by subtraction situation+when healthy DWill will work with Drummond/Monroe very well. The bad news is that we lose 7M of cap next-next offseason, as well as potentially winning more games because of Williams :/ (who is clearly not a long term solution).
(This also applies to Johnson)

The part that scares me is that we would start winning a few games. Getting top 3 pick this year is a must for this franchise. Smith and Jennings are the main reasons why we suck so bad, So we should at least wait until the deadline too see if we can fall so far back in the standings that it isn't a concern. Honestly I would like to try for another top pick next year as well. This team just needs more talent and assets before it moves forward.

[MrBigShot]

Thanks for the correction. That is a good point, I think we can all agree that Williams, even at that contract, is leaps and bounds more valuable than Smith. But sitting at 3-19 right now, it's pretty clear the playoffs are more or less out of the picture. And having a chance at one of the better players in this draft would be a lot more preferable to being in no-man's with DWill.

All in all the Kings trade idea centered around Smith for Thompson/Williams is better imo.

[Kilo]

AK47 is heading to Philly for along with a second rounder for a TE.

I wouldn't do Jennings/Smith for Deron Williams alone as Pistons are taking on too much money in 2016-2017 when Jennings has expired and only Smith/Deron are on the books for their final seasons under contract. If we're taking on $8-9M extra in the deal overall, we need to get some sweetener. I mean Detroit gave the 9th overall pick to Charlotte to take on the last year of Gordon's deal - so basically the 9th overall pick was sold for $12M, Brooklyn doesn't have a first rounder in forever so I'd want Plumlee.

Deron also has pretty significant health red flags as well - ankles are sort of important to point guards with all the direction changes, the stops and starts etc.

[vic]

Cap space would be good....

Maybe the best move would be Smith for AK47 plus whatever.

I agree longterm flexibility and keeping money is most important.
I think we need to keep the age range of our core in the early twenties. All the more reason to get rid of Smith. Gotta get rid of smith.

I love the Smith for Williams too. Anything to end this madness

[ImHeisenberg]

What's the point of a win-now trade? This team would have to exceptional over the next 60 games to just make the 8th seed.

Starting out like this had put the team in a hole that it can't realistically climb their way out. They'd have to go on a 15 game winning streak (franchise record) just to get to .500.


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[DBC10]

The reason why the Nets are trading AK's contract is to save them from minimum of 12 mil in luxury tax, even though his contract is like 3 mil or so left. They're trying to save money and stockpile assets. I'd try and get Joe since his is ending soon iirc for Smith.

[Skates]

In the short term your team would be better with Deron replacing Josh Smith and Jennings, assuming he stays healthy, but you probably move into the middle of the lottery at best, allowing you to draft a player who can help you reach the latter portion of the lottery, maybe scratch out an eighth seed in a weak East. Then what?

Monroe will still likely leave unless you pay him the home team max, which he is far from being worth. Nice player, but not a full, Bird's rights max guy. Solid guy in KCP and potential star in Drummond, plus Deron and a decent, not great lottery pick. So you either have that with Monroe walking, or with an overpaid Monroe eating up way too much cap space on the roster. It is a recipe for mediocrity, and if Drummond really does blossom, he won't stay if you can't give him the one per team top max because you gave it to Monroe.

Don't grab at straws, accept the opportunity to rebuild the right way around Drummond and Pope. The Nets are toxic for a reason. Don't let SVG be your Doug Collins (five former, current or future first rounders traded for Bynum/Moultrie and the carcass of Jason Richardson by DC, there really wasn't much left for Hinkie to blow up), trust me, it never, ever ends well.

[sfballa13]

Jennings, Smith, Monroe for JJ, Teletovic is the best we will ever hope to get in a trade

We are stuck paying Jennings/Smith 21M next year anyways why not give that money to JJ to play SF and spend our cap space as intended on Dragic and a PF replacement

Even if we get Joe Johnson the fact our PF rotation will be Teletovic/Jerebko and our PG rotation will be Augustin/Dinwiddie pretty much guarantees us a top 5 finish in the lottery anyways

If Gores wants a trade he wants the JJ one not the Thompson/Williams deal, if that is even still available to us at this point. We dump Jennings/Smith for JJ, someone who will bring fans to the Palace and turn our loser mentality culture around

[The Penguin]

Do people realize how bad DWill's contract is? Take Smith's remaining years and basically double the money (after his trade kicker) and that's D-Will's deal.

Heck yes to Josh Smith for Joe Johnson, that balances us a bit and takes a year off Smith's deal at the cost of losing some cap space this summer. Walk away from D-Will though.

[MotownMadness]

Do people realize how bad DWill's contract is? Take Smith's remaining years and basically double the money (after his trade kicker) and that's D-Will's deal.

Heck yes to Josh Smith for Joe Johnson, that balances us a bit and takes a year off Smith's deal at the cost of losing some cap space this summer. Walk away from D-Will though.

D Will has a bad contract for sure but hes still a much better player then Jennings and Smith. Smennings contracts together are basically the same amount as Williams. His contract is the same length as Smiths but a year longer then Jennings.

That trade would no doubt make us a better team by subtracting two atrocious overpaid players for a avereage ovepaid one. Williams stats this season arent bad-

17.1 ppg
43 fg%
40 3pt%
90 ft%
6.5 apg
3.4 rpg
1.1 stls
17.6 PER
57 TS%

Obviously not worth 20 mil per but he would still be our best player while getting rid of possibly the two most damaging team players in the league.

[The Penguin]

Do people realize how bad DWill's contract is? Take Smith's remaining years and basically double the money (after his trade kicker) and that's D-Will's deal.

Heck yes to Josh Smith for Joe Johnson, that balances us a bit and takes a year off Smith's deal at the cost of losing some cap space this summer. Walk away from D-Will though.

D Will has a bad contract for sure but hes still a much better player then Jennings and Smith. Smennings contracts together are basically the same amount as Williams. His contract is the same length as Smiths but a year longer then Jennings.

That trade would no doubt make us a better team by subtracting two atrocious overpaid players for a avereage ovepaid one. Williams stats this season arent bad-

17.1 ppg
43 fg%
40 3pt%
90 ft%
6.5 apg
3.4 rpg
1.1 stls
17.6 PER
57 TS%

Obviously not worth 20 mil per but he would still be our best player while getting rid of possibly the two most damaging team players in the league.

Which might make us good enough to screw up our draft pick but nowhere near ever winning a title with D-Will and leaves us with over $60 mil committed to a 30 year old with 2 bad ankles. We don't need a best player who is no longer an all star, is on the wrong side of 30, has an attitude as bad as Smith & Jennings.

[kurtis48239]

Honestly if we traded for D-will,he would become our best player and stan would probably ride him and cause him an injury for the rest of the season.

I would LOVE to have johnson on this team,but he would screw our lottery chances for a top pick,and we really do need to add good young talent to this team,which is also good for trades later on down the line (when you do it right and dont let them become a fa and walk lol)

We need to ride out this season,see if we can trade smith for anything,as long as it gets us out of smiths contract early.We need to play the youth and develope them for next year,and we need to go after a pg and a sf with next years cap space.Iam would love to add dragic and any 3 & D small forward.

[mattao313]

Yea I agree with kurtis I would have a top pick and over pay a SF in FA than JJ.

[DBC10]

Honestly if we traded for D-will,he would become our best player and stan would probably ride him and cause him an injury for the rest of the season.

I would LOVE to have johnson on this team,but he would screw our lottery chances for a top pick,and we really do need to add good young talent to this team,which is also good for trades later on down the line (when you do it right and dont let them become a fa and walk lol)

We need to ride out this season,see if we can trade smith for anything,as long as it gets us out of smiths contract early.We need to play the youth and develope them for next year,and we need to go after a pg and a sf with next years cap space.Iam would love to add dragic and any 3 & D small forward.

Agreed with ya bro. I'm on board with getting Joe Jesus as much as anyone but that might make us go into this year's draft at the 8th spot again.

I think us losing Smith might make us more competitive since the young guns will have more intensity and fire to do well, which would cause us to overperform and lose our spot in the draft lol.

[sfballa13]

Honestly if we traded for D-will,he would become our best player and stan would probably ride him and cause him an injury for the rest of the season.

I would LOVE to have johnson on this team,but he would screw our lottery chances for a top pick,and we really do need to add good young talent to this team,which is also good for trades later on down the line (when you do it right and dont let them become a fa and walk lol)

We need to ride out this season,see if we can trade smith for anything,as long as it gets us out of smiths contract early.We need to play the youth and develope them for next year,and we need to go after a pg and a sf with next years cap space.Iam would love to add dragic and any 3 & D small forward.

Agreed with ya bro. I'm on board with getting Joe Jesus as much as anyone but that might make us go into this year's draft at the 8th spot again.

I think us losing Smith might make us more competitive since the young guns will have more intensity and fire to do well, which would cause us to overperform and lose our spot in the draft lol.

Rather go into the draft in the 5-8th spot and lose Smith and have JJ bc with our dumb luck we wont even get in the top 5 anyways

[Sheeeeed]

Trading Smith/Jennings for D-Will would be nothing but a lateral move. Hes a cancer, and SVG referred to him as the most overrated player in the NBA last year when he was still unemployed.