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They appear to be just fine at small forward and center, with Kyle Singler and Andre Drummond ranked firmly in the middle of the league. And while Brandon Jennings has been on the decline lately, he's still among the top 20 starters at point guard.

Josh Smith leads the team in shot attempts and is second on the team in minutes played. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope leads the team in minutes and is second on the team in shot attempts. These two players who are the weakest links in the starting lineups have been allowed to have the greatest influence on the team. And their struggles have been mostly predictable, as their wins produced figures aren't horribly off from last year.

With simple tweaks to the rotation, it's possible that this team may be able to be competitive as is. Moving Butler and Monroe into the starting lineup gives Detroit five players who are in the middle of the league among starters. They'd have the seventh highest combined win shares per 48 minutes in the Eastern Conference, essentially making them look like a playoff team. And that's even before taking into account replacing Smith with Jerebko in the rotation and Meeks returning as soon as tomorrow.

SVG is a smart guy and i am sure he knows this or someone on his staff knows this. Yet he still continues to play with Smith.

Its either he's trying to advertise smith

He's ignoring monroe because he's gone any ways

Or he's over analyzing the simple solution.

i do like that he's force feeding KCP minutes, while its going to suck watching him go through growing pains and listening to all of you call him a bust, its best he gets as much experience as possible.



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While I have very low opinions of both Pistons blog sites- DBB and PP- I do agree with their analysis on this issue-SVG's rotations are horrible as I've said in numerous game threads.

I am not encouraged when I read that Larry Brown- a guy who won us a championship but has never been able to coach up a bad team as evidenced by his stints with NKY and CHA, is giving SVG advice to stay the course.

in the 15 yrs I have been reading RealGM every coach that has been with the Pistons has had bad rotations. I refuse to believe that Pistons fans on RealGM are smarter than Brown, SVG, Flip, and most likely Daley.


The arrogance IMHO is unbecoming.

Stan is driving the stealth tank. Blatantly tanking incures the wrath of the lotto gods.

Warspite wrote:in the 15 yrs I have been reading RealGM every coach that has been with the Pistons has had bad rotations. I refuse to believe that Pistons fans on RealGM are smarter than Brown, SVG, Flip, and most likely Daley.


The arrogance IMHO is unbecoming.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think any coach out there would turn this roster into a good team by any means, but I don't think we're bad enough to be 3-19. We were 10-10 with Mo Cheeks at one point last year with the same core more or less, and he's clearly a worse can than SVG.

Any rotation with this current roster featuring Josh Smith playing major minutes has issues. Last two games he's only played 22 minutes or so, so I can't really complain. Would like to see that continue honestly, because playing him to increase his value doesn't work when he plays really poorly.

Warspite wrote:in the 15 yrs I have been reading RealGM every coach that has been with the Pistons has had bad rotations. I refuse to believe that Pistons fans on RealGM are smarter than Brown, SVG, Flip, and most likely Daley.


The arrogance IMHO is unbecoming.

Well our record speaks for itself

This team's shooting is driving the Piston's tank. As a TEAM, we're shooting 40.4% from the field. Compared to almost 44.7% last season. That's AWFUL. Absolutely awful. We are last in the league. Next closest, is Philly, at a crazy 41.4%.

You change that one thing, and this team will start winning games. And when Meeks returns and as the season goes on, I'd bet it starts to creep up slowly.

"Its either he's trying to advertise smith"

We KNOW that is true!

"He's ignoring monroe because he's gone any ways"

No, he's not ignoring Monroe, he's showcasing Smith while trying to develop Dre

"i do like that he's force feeding KCP minutes, while its going to suck watching him go through growing pains and listening to all of you call him a bust, its best he gets as much experience as possible."

Agree, & the Meeks injury is the main reason why KCP has been put in thar position

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Warspite wrote:in the 15 yrs I have been reading RealGM every coach that has been with the Pistons has had bad rotations. I refuse to believe that Pistons fans on RealGM are smarter than Brown, SVG, Flip, and most likely Daley.


The arrogance IMHO is unbecoming.

I agree, i think i was relatively happy with Cheeks rotations though. While i personally don't think i am even close tot he bball iq of those coaches, i do struggle to understand this.


Smith> Monroe ......In the small samples we got with Moose and dre, our team seemed a lot better (eyeball test)


Augustine> Dinwiddie.....Augustine is having a horrid shooting strech, seems to give up leads more than hold them and defensively gets abused by bigger guards. Dinwiddie couldn't possible be any worst and in the short minutes we do see him, he's at very least on par with current DJ

Jonas Jerebko not in the rotation......when jj's playing there's a little more energy to the team, we have a lot more hustle and we have much better shooting. This is probably my biggest question, we are shooting horrible right now and the one big guy we have that shooting well, we have him benched

epheisey wrote:This team's shooting is driving the Piston's tank. As a TEAM, we're shooting 40.4% from the field. Compared to almost 44.7% last season. That's AWFUL. Absolutely awful. We are last in the league. Next closest, is Philly, at a crazy 41.4%.

You change that one thing, and this team will start winning games.

ding ding ding...winner

epheisey wrote:This team's shooting is driving the Piston's tank. As a TEAM, we're shooting 40.4% from the field. Compared to almost 44.7% last season. That's AWFUL. Absolutely awful. We are last in the league. Next closest, is Philly, at a crazy 41.4%.

You change that one thing, and this team will start winning games. And when Meeks returns and as the season goes on, I'd bet it starts to creep up slowly.

Well we also need to learn how to stop teams, no point in shooting a better % if we can't keep the other team from matching. I believe 100 ppg is our magic number , if we can keep teams under 100 we can wein

That is just a blog site- very little in terms of credibility on DBB. It's mostly just a hive mind circle jerk.


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epheisey wrote:This team's shooting is driving the Piston's tank. As a TEAM, we're shooting 40.4% from the field. Compared to almost 44.7% last season. That's AWFUL. Absolutely awful. We are last in the league. Next closest, is Philly, at a crazy 41.4%.

You change that one thing, and this team will start winning games. And when Meeks returns and as the season goes on, I'd bet it starts to creep up slowly.

Well we also need to learn how to stop teams, no point in shooting a better % if we can't keep the other team from matching. I believe 100 ppg is our magic number , if we can keep teams under 100 we can wein

We're giving up 99.5 ppg. So we've met your magic number.

Warspite wrote:in the 15 yrs I have been reading RealGM every coach that has been with the Pistons has had bad rotations. I refuse to believe that Pistons fans on RealGM are smarter than Brown, SVG, Flip, and most likely Daley.


The arrogance IMHO is unbecoming.

Well said Warspite... nobody here has a better understanding of the personnel than SVG or better basketball knowledge... what we don't know is the long term plan... we tend to live in the moment vs what's best in the long run.
15 years already?

Josh Smith being the featured scoring option along with next to no shooting is the difference between 3-20 & .500 ish. The Portland game was a prime example of that.


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Lucidity wrote:Josh Smith being the featured scoring option along with next to no shooting is the difference between 3-20 & .500 ish. The Portland game was a prime example of that.


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This team isn't even close to being .500 even if Smoove didn't play a single minute all season. Keep blaming the season on him but the reality is, this whole team sucks. He's not shooting well, no question about it. But no one on this team is shooting well.

epheisey wrote:This team's shooting is driving the Piston's tank. As a TEAM, we're shooting 40.4% from the field. Compared to almost 44.7% last season. That's AWFUL. Absolutely awful. We are last in the league. Next closest, is Philly, at a crazy 41.4%.

You change that one thing, and this team will start winning games. And when Meeks returns and as the season goes on, I'd bet it starts to creep up slowly.

And the reason these professional basketball players are not shooting well goes back to SVG:
- Bad rotations giving the most shots to the worst shooter: Smith, and calling plays that turn the highest percentage shooter to a horrible shooter (Drummond)
- bad rotations that play 3 bigs and/or feature 1on1 style play, when most teams are taking advantage of new rules that give preference to spacing and ball movement
- bad rotations draining the life out of players that subconsciously know they are being put in position to fail instead of beig put in position to succeed

Bonus:
- bad rotations playing small guardS (leave Dinwiddie on the bench) with unathletic SFs, literally the worst combination possible on defense

vic wrote:

epheisey wrote:This team's shooting is driving the Piston's tank. As a TEAM, we're shooting 40.4% from the field. Compared to almost 44.7% last season. That's AWFUL. Absolutely awful. We are last in the league. Next closest, is Philly, at a crazy 41.4%.

You change that one thing, and this team will start winning games. And when Meeks returns and as the season goes on, I'd bet it starts to creep up slowly.

And the reason these professional basketball players are not shooting well goes back to SVG:
- Bad rotations giving the most shots to the worst shooter: Smith, and calling plays that turn the highest percentage shooter to a horrible shooter (Drummond)
- bad rotations that play 3 bigs and/or feature 1on1 style play, when most teams are taking advantage of new rules that give preference to spacing and ball movement
- bad rotations draining the life out of players that subconsciously know they are being put in position to fail instead of beig put in position to succeed
- bad rotations playing small guardS (leave Dinwiddie on the bench) with unathletic SFs, literally the worst combination possible on defense

So you're saying, that Mo Cheeks and John Loyer were calling better plays and offering better rotations than STAN VAN GUNDY?

Idk what games you've been watching, but these misses aren't difficult shots. Smith has shot less from farther out and he's still missing easy shots.

Andre I'll give a pass because he's working on shots and post ups that he's clearly not very comfortable with, but it's a necessary step in developing his offensive game.

There might be something related to SVG is doing that is causing this, but the only thing that I can come up with is that they're just exhausted from practices and their shot is suffering.

It is very odd though the ENTIRE team has all of a sudden struggled to make shots. I won't blame it on rotations, because there isn't a good solution to rotations or play calling for the players on this team. So I don't think it has anything to do with SVG's in game coaching. It has to be something outside of actual games.

epheisey wrote:

Lucidity wrote:Josh Smith being the featured scoring option along with next to no shooting is the difference between 3-20 & .500 ish. The Portland game was a prime example of that.


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This team isn't even close to being .500 even if Smoove didn't play a single minute all season. Keep blaming the season on him but the reality is, this whole team sucks. He's not shooting well, no question about it. But no one on this team is shooting well.

Re read my post & try responding again. Not once did I blame the whole season on him. He has played a huge role in our utter failure the past 2 years but the coaches deserve just as much blame for forcing him to be something he's not. (A shooter or top offensive option, wing defender).


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epheisey wrote:

vic wrote:

epheisey wrote:This team's shooting is driving the Piston's tank. As a TEAM, we're shooting 40.4% from the field. Compared to almost 44.7% last season. That's AWFUL. Absolutely awful. We are last in the league. Next closest, is Philly, at a crazy 41.4%.

You change that one thing, and this team will start winning games. And when Meeks returns and as the season goes on, I'd bet it starts to creep up slowly.

And the reason these professional basketball players are not shooting well goes back to SVG:
- Bad rotations giving the most shots to the worst shooter: Smith, and calling plays that turn the highest percentage shooter to a horrible shooter (Drummond)
- bad rotations that play 3 bigs and/or feature 1on1 style play, when most teams are taking advantage of new rules that give preference to spacing and ball movement
- bad rotations draining the life out of players that subconsciously know they are being put in position to fail instead of beig put in position to succeed
- bad rotations playing small guardS (leave Dinwiddie on the bench) with unathletic SFs, literally the worst combination possible on defense

So you're saying, that Mo Cheeks and John Loyer were calling better plays and offering better rotations than STAN VAN GUNDY?

Gohomevicyourdrunk

-For most of this season SVG started 3 bigs just like Cheeks & Loyer did
- except his defense doesn't gamble, so he's missing out on a large chunk of the offense they had last year
- for most of this season he had Drummond posting up instead of catching lobs
- he has his number one offensive player coming off the bench
- he doesn't have an instant offense Stuckey/Bynum to bring off the bench

If that's not rational to you, you are not worth talking to, so leave me alone.