DrumRoe

[MotownMadness]

Having these guys on the same roster is turning out much better than I thought it would. And it's not even about when they are on the court at the same time. Stan likes to run the 4 out and 1 in offense clearly. Right now he has two low post threats that are perfect for that style offense that he can just keep alternating at his entertainment.

He's got a great Frontcourt rotation at the moment between Drummond, Monroe , Jerebko and Tolliver. He starts both together to keep everyone happy or plays them both together if he likes a big lineup match up in spurts. But what he really has and it shows because he really favors it is currently the most dangerous 4 out and 1 in rotations in the league.

So it's really not even about how the two play together although he goes to that the second we start to lose a rebounding battle as well. There's just been so much benefit to having two all star level centers on the same roster. If I'm not mistaking I believe he tried to do this with Howard and Gortat as well?

[Kilo]

We're basically playing one-third of the game with Dre and Moose on the floor together and the other 2/3rds with a 4 out & 1 on Gundyball set-up. We get 48 minutes of starting caliber center with Dre's 32 minutes and Monroe's 16 minutes there in back-up - what other teams in the league can boast of that, I'm sure there are a few, but we'd be in rare company there.

[DBC10]

Yeah, Monroe is a great asset to have in case Dre gets in those early foul troubles or to give him a good amount of rest since Monroe can slide easily at the 5 for instant offense for continued 4 in 1. It's actually a huge advantage letting either one of Monroe or Dre running the 2nd unit since they'll most likely feast on the bench units.

Plus, they look like they can play together in solid minutes anyways, neither one of Monroe nor Dre look like they're being hindered when they play together. The only problem I saw was Monroe not being able to finish, but I'm sure it can only get better from here.

[bstein14]

They work well together when your 1/2/3 can all shoot... and having your backup PF being able to shoot as well really spaces the floor nicely... Really Smith was just a horrible horrible fit with those guys.

[sc8581]

In most matchups they don't play well together. It's a huge advantage to have Monroe backing up Dre especially when he gets into foul trouble like yesterday but are we really going to give him $50-60M to play 26mpg and only be a rebounder in a lot of situations.

[MotownMadness]

In most matchups they don't play well together. It's a huge advantage to have Monroe backing up Dre especially when he gets into foul trouble like yesterday but are we really going to give him $50-60M to play 26mpg and only be a rebounder in a lot of situations.

I doubt we give him what he wants in FA but it is nice being able to rotate the two. He's definitely not worth the max so He's probably gone either way.

[vic]

They do play well together.
I think SVG is on to something here... and if they get wins against quality teams, the league will start to take notice.

He can switch between 3 out/2 in and 4 out/1 in and not blink an eye. This is going to be useful when playing some of the bigger teams that are elite. Spurs are the only other team that can play just as well either 3/2 or 4/1.

Especially in the playoffs when the tempo slows down its good to have both options. Monroe is still a double double threat every night and that's not going to change. Drumroe is a huge lob threat. Monroe is a huge post threat. They both play different styles so they don't clash.

DrumRoe = Double Double Doubles

And if it helps the team win, they both deserve to be paid. We'll see in this next stretch of games against winnings teams.

[sc8581]

In most matchups they don't play well together. It's a huge advantage to have Monroe backing up Dre especially when he gets into foul trouble like yesterday but are we really going to give him $50-60M to play 26mpg and only be a rebounder in a lot of situations.

I doubt we give him what he wants in FA but it is nice being able to rotate the two. He's definitely not worth the max so He's probably gone either way.

I'm not even talking about the max, $10-12M per over 4 or 5 years, even if the cap goes up a lot as expected is still too much. We still have a lot of holes to fill and a guy like Joel Anthony for 10-12mpg backing up Dre is still pretty good.

[engelbert321]

If we lose Moose, we need a better back up C than Joel Anthony (he's 3rd string material). We will probably have to get both a starting PF and a back up C in the off season.

[Kilo]

^One could argue that paying for a new starting PF and back-up Ce would cost us around $16M minimum combined, so if we could get Monroe for a couple million less we are still ahead even if that is a personal overpay for him.

*This is of course assuming we'd keep Jerebko at the same price under either scenario. But Jonas probably wouldn't stay here if a full time PF only type was brought in to start in front of him because he'd be looking at 12-15 mpg tops.

[MotownMadness]

In most matchups they don't play well together. It's a huge advantage to have Monroe backing up Dre especially when he gets into foul trouble like yesterday but are we really going to give him $50-60M to play 26mpg and only be a rebounder in a lot of situations.

I doubt we give him what he wants in FA but it is nice being able to rotate the two. He's definitely not worth the max so He's probably gone either way.

I'm not even talking about the max, $10-12M per over 4 or 5 years, even if the cap goes up a lot as expected is still too much. We still have a lot of holes to fill and a guy like Joel Anthony for 10-12mpg backing up Dre is still pretty good.

Oh I'll definitely keep him at that price. I'm just not willing to give him no 15 per kind of deal.

[sc8581]

^One could argue that paying for a new starting PF and back-up Ce would cost us around $16M minimum combined, so if we could get Monroe for a couple million less we are still ahead even if that is a personal overpay for him.

*This is of course assuming we'd keep Jerebko at the same price under either scenario. But Jonas probably wouldn't stay here if a full time PF only type was brought in to start in front of him because he'd be looking at 12-15 mpg tops.

Joel Anthony is fully capable of playing a solid 10-12mpg and since Monroe is not a PF we need one of those anyway. He's just not a good fit here with Dre.

[MrBigShot]

In most matchups they don't play well together. It's a huge advantage to have Monroe backing up Dre especially when he gets into foul trouble like yesterday but are we really going to give him $50-60M to play 26mpg and only be a rebounder in a lot of situations.

I doubt we give him what he wants in FA but it is nice being able to rotate the two. He's definitely not worth the max so He's probably gone either way.

I'm not even talking about the max, $10-12M per over 4 or 5 years, even if the cap goes up a lot as expected is still too much. We still have a lot of holes to fill and a guy like Joel Anthony for 10-12mpg backing up Dre is still pretty good.

I think just about everybody on this board would be more than glad to keep him for 4/40 to 4/48. That's great value in today's league, especially compared to some of the other overpays lately.

[DetroitSho]

^One could argue that paying for a new starting PF and back-up Ce would cost us around $16M minimum combined, so if we could get Monroe for a couple million less we are still ahead even if that is a personal overpay for him.

*This is of course assuming we'd keep Jerebko at the same price under either scenario. But Jonas probably wouldn't stay here if a full time PF only type was brought in to start in front of him because he'd be looking at 12-15 mpg tops.

Great point, never thought about that. Especially when you consider you'd expect Jerebko to get $5 million per AT LEAST with a rising cap (he's already getting $4.5 million). So unless you want to bring in a vet minimum back up PF in order to offset your replacement starting PF and backup center's salary, I don't think paying $14 million/year to Moose to basically be two positions is that big of a detriment.

So the question would be Moose and Jerebko at $19 million? Or hope to have 3 competent guys at the same price and production/fit.

[sc8581]

It really comes down to how valuable you think Monroe is. I look at him similarly to a good 6th man, will look like an all-star sometimes offensively, struggles defensively but will always rebound well and be a big body.

[DBC10]

^One could argue that paying for a new starting PF and back-up Ce would cost us around $16M minimum combined, so if we could get Monroe for a couple million less we are still ahead even if that is a personal overpay for him.

*This is of course assuming we'd keep Jerebko at the same price under either scenario. But Jonas probably wouldn't stay here if a full time PF only type was brought in to start in front of him because he'd be looking at 12-15 mpg tops.

Great point, never thought about that. Especially when you consider you'd expect Jerebko to get $5 million per AT LEAST with a rising cap (he's already getting $4.5 million). So unless you want to bring in a vet minimum back up PF in order to offset your replacement starting PF and backup center's salary, I don't think paying $14 million/year to Moose to basically be two positions is that big of a detriment.

So the question would be Moose and Jerebko at $19 million? Or hope to have 3 competent guys at the same price and production/fit.

Yep, consolidate your assets in Monroe/JJ or try to acquire a real stretch PF and a decent back up C all the while retaining Joel as insurance. I like the consolidation method more, it seems more easier to pull off without affecting chemistry too much. Unless we're going to throw 12 mil at Draymond Green or something.

[The Penguin]

I don't think Monroe is going anywhere with Smith now gone. I'd prefer to sign someone like Draymond or Tobias Harris, ie a guy who can play the 3/4 (basically what we tried to force Smith into) to start games with a big lineup of both Greg & Dre and be able to go with the 4 & 1 concept with either Greg/Dre in the game at all times. DrumRoe is similar to what Stan had for a minute with Dwight / Gortat until Otis Smith pulled an Otis Smith and traded Gortat for Vince Carter.

[whitehops]

regardless of what happens to Monroe this offseason, I think we should go after brandan wright. he doesn't spread the floor but can play both the 4 and the 5, plays good defense and finishes everything inside.

PS I think our success for the rest of the year could have a chance of influencing Monroe's willingness to re-sign here. if we go .500+ the rest of the way with Monroe getting his 30 minutes a game there's a chance.

[Joe Berry]

I still don't think SVG is prepared to give Monroe the max unless Moose shows some improved play. Money was the reason Moose didn't sign, because he could have gotten max elsewhere if he wasn't restricted. Yes and of course the Smith situation. Still they are better fits out there that won't command max. Millsap or Draymond for example.
But Moose now has the opportunity as a first option to show he is worth the max, that jumper and some better defense sure will do. If he shows he's worth the max SVG might reconsider and there might be a chance he stays.

[gusman]

I think monroe will resign. He looks happy.


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