SVG Considering Lineup Change

mercury · Post #1 » by **mercury** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:59 am

Falling behind is causing him to think about changes to the starting lineup...
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2015/01/detroit_pistons_lineup_changes.html

Finn McCool · Post #2 » by **Finn McCool** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:08 am

I wonder if he just said that in the heat of the moment. I'm sure he'll give it serious consideration before making a hasty move. I'm rather curious to see if he actually does shake things up, again. Maybe Anthony in place of Drummond starting might be splashy enough.

mercury · Post #3 » by **mercury** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:11 am

Would like to see Monroe with JJ for a minute... see what the spacing does... it could hurt the interior D though.

sc8581 · Post #4 » by **sc8581** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:12 am

If Drummond comes out of the starting lineup it's likely to slide Monroe to center and go with a stretch 4.

sc8581 · Post #5 » by **sc8581** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:14 am

mercury wrote:Would like to see Monroe with JJ for a minute... see what the spacing does... it could hurt the interior D though.

I don't see how, Monroe is a better defender at the 5 than Drummond right now and JJ can defend most PFs better than Moose.

mercury · Post #6 » by **mercury** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:19 am

sc8581 wrote::evil:
mercury wrote:Would like to see Monroe with JJ for a minute... see what the spacing does... it could hurt the interior D though.

I don't see how, Monroe is a better defender at the 5 than Drummond right now and JJ can defend most PFs better than Moose.

You're correct on this... SVG is pissed at Dre right now "no energy in the last 4 games"... it would be more of a message than a long term solution.

treefi · Post #7 » by **treefi** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:19 am

C - Drummond / Monroe / Anthony
PF - Monroe / Jerebko / Tolliver
SF - Caldwell-Pope / Singler / Butler
PG - Jennings / Augustin / Dinwiddie
SG - Meeks / Caldwell-Pope / Dinwiddie

Pharaoh · Post #8 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:02 am

I'd be inclined to believe that Drummond is tired as right now and needs some rest - or lesser minutes.

On the positive side the trade deadline is fast approaching so now would be a good time to showcase Jerebko

Remember that wins and losses are irrelevant this season - SVG is in it for the long haul

Southern Piston · Post #9 » by **Southern Piston** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:44 am

He's in it for the long haul so I wouldn't be suprised if he started KCP at the three. It's not a long term move, it's a short term development, so he has a secondary position with Meeks. I think he would be fine. Dre has been sick I thought, I doubt they move him to the bench. Maybe Dimwiddie & Datome will finally get their groove back playing for the DRIVE and all the pieces will come together.

sc8581 · Post #10 » by **sc8581** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:08 am

A lineup change would likely depend on if SVG thinks we're falling behind early because of defensive issues or lack of offensive firepower. Seems to me like if Monroe and Jennings are both scoring early we can't keep pace whether we're playing decent defense or not. This will likely push Meeks into a starting role and the other 4 keep their spots. I would prefer to see a bigger shake up just to see what happens myself, what do we really have to lose?

princeofpalace · Post #11 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:11 am

I don't think the starting lineup needs to change, I just think SVG needs to be quicker to make substitutions when we are sluggish and he should try to refrain from making automatic substitutions when we are rolling.

Redeemed · Post #12 » by **Redeemed** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:00 pm

SVG has to think about what would be the best way to deal with this disappointing trend. Do you bench Drummond? Do you pull him early in the first quarter? Either approach could have the effect of wounding the ego of the young big. I'm in favor of having him come off the bench. It would give him an opportunity to sit with the vets (Butler and Anthony) as well as see the way he has deprived his team of his contribution by dogging it.

Pulling him early has a more significant impact of having the player looking over his shoulder. Besides, Jerebko has brought the most energy (after KCP) since the summer training sessions in the D. Starting him for a game or two would be a nice reward for his hard work.

vic · Post #13 » by **vic** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:02 pm

Put Meeks & KCP in for that 3 guard lineup

Redeemed · Post #14 » by **Redeemed** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:10 pm

Make an offer for Dorrell Wright. He's languishing on the bench for the Blazers with a manageable two year $6 mil contract.

10 year vet
Career 37% shooting from 3
Can probably give us a little something at small forward

Make a play for Wilson Chandler. He's got two years left on his contract (about $13 mil).

7 year vet
Career 34% shooting from 3
Can play the 2, 3, and 4
Higher skilled player than Wright (and all the small forwards on our roster)
Risk: health

Make a play for Jeremy Lamb and/or Perry Jones III

I think another trade is looming on the horizon. But more important than that, we've got to get a handle on this Drummond issue.

vic · Post #15 » by **vic** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:21 pm

All Drummond needs a couple days rest and Epsom salt bath. You don't need to bench franchise, because if you gotta bench the franchise he's not the franchise. Get em with Arnie Kander and get his nutrition up.

The best thing to do to add energy to the starting lineup does make it a 3 guard lineup with Meeks. He's the only starting caliber player that is not starting yet.

You instantly become the fastest perimeter in the league, and you slow the other team down because now the main thing they're going to try to do is post up KCP.

kellmellus50 · Post #16 » by **kellmellus50** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:24 pm

If I were a gambling man, I'd put money on Tolliver, Butler manning the F spots at the start of the next game.

At the end of the day, it’ll just serve as a kick in the ass to Singler and Dre to get their act together, whilst also rewarding Tolli’s solid play and Butler’s well… age?

i would also start Greg monroe over Drummond

mercury · Post #17 » by **mercury** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:53 pm

Two Red Bulls, cup of java with a 5 hour energy and a pic of the unemployment line.

kellmellus50 · Post #18 » by **kellmellus50** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:18 pm

mercury wrote:Two Red Bulls, cup of java with a 5 hour energy and a pic of the unemployment line.

LOL,that's a good one.

russkopp · Post #19 » by **russkopp** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:50 pm

I wonder if Dre pouts because he's the first to come out between him and greg...

Jackattaq · Post #20 » by **Jackattaq** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:11 am

russkopp wrote:I wonder if Dre pouts because he's the first to come out between him and greg...

I'm sorry, but I don't have a ton of sympathy for guys in the NBA that can't at least shoot 65-70% from the FT line. Andre has never improved that part of his game and he's a liability out there at times. They do go to him in the post from time to time, but with his lack of effort to begin games and always being down 10 points when Drummond comes out in the first quarters due to lack of effort/energy. We have to keep Monroe out there. He's polished enough that we can run the offense through him and get better shots. Drummond isn't there and if he ever wants to, he'll have to improve his footwork in the post and ability to finish at the FT line.

Drummond may be pouting or whatever, but he's not a better option than Greg right now and so we have to pull Dre first and let the 2nd unit run with Monroe to get them going. Drummond isn't reliable enough in the paint to turn over the reigns. He also needs to get his FT's above 50% before worrying about touches or post up opportunities. If that is part of his problem. I don't care if he's envious of Greg's touches or what (none of us know what's going on, but if he's pouting because of that, SCREW HIM). Andre needs to EARN IT if he wants to be a premier player. It's all between the ears for him.