JVG has a point about Draymond Green

Blkbrd671 · Post #1 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:42 am

http://espn.go.com/blog/golden-state-wa ... a-max-deal

During Golden State’s game against the Cleveland Cavaliers on Jan. 9, analyst Jeff Van Gundy made a bold prediction about Draymond Green on the broadcast: “I really think he's going to be a max player.” Twitter did a double take over a valuation that few, if any, had offered publicly. Van Gundy had a solid case, though, even if it went against conventional wisdom: "How many guys defend, rebound, pass and make 3s? That combination, you just don't see." While you just don’t see Green’s combination of skills, you also just don’t see guys averaging fewer than 12 points getting max restricted offers -- unless they’re 7 feet tall. If Van Gundy’s right, if this does indeed happen, it would have to mark a sea change in the business of basketball.

We’re talking about a second-round pick who’s shorter than 6-6 in socks, who doesn't jump high, create his own shot or dominate the ball. A rookie max deal for a scrappy “tweener” averaging the fourth-most points per game on his team? Basketball doesn’t work that way -- yet. This summer will be a good test of whether teams pay big for a guy who does all the “little things.”

Green might not boast gaudy traditional stats, but one stat in particular loudly agrees with Van Gundy's assertion. Real plus-minus, which measures a player by how his team does when he’s in the game, lists Green as the 10th-best player in the league. He’s first among wings, ahead of even LeBron James. Of course, Green isn't technically a wing this season; he’s starting at power forward. But that ambiguity of position reflects the value he brings. Against the Mavericks, he ably guarded Dirk Nowitzki and Monta Ellis in the same game. It’s difficult to fit a player like this into a box.

Blkbrd671 · Post #2 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:43 am

Not to mention, SVG is quoted as saying he values JVG opinion

Post #3 » by **roc** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:49 am

We are only allowed 3 paragraphs from other sites. I will let you edit it to the 3 you prefer.

MotownMadness · Post #4 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:52 am

I'm kinda shocked with Draymond. This is how he played at MSU, I mean the guy was basically playing all positions on the court and carrying his team. I like many others didn't think it would translate over to the NBA given that he didn't really have a true position. A lot of people say it's Golden State making him look good but this is what he's always been and that's just a ball player.

tmorgan · Post #5 » by **tmorgan** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:11 am

Draymond is a darn good player, but giving a relative non-scorer (in terms of shot creation skills and shooting percentage) a max deal requires other players on the team to carry the scoring load and not bloat the payroll.

GSW can do that, for now, because Curry is seriously underpaid. I don't think the Pistons can afford that luxury, because Drummond may end up being that guy for us... a non-creator that does other things but gets paid the max.

So... I do think Green will get around 12-14 million per year, but I don't think it can be from the Pistons.

MotownMadness · Post #6 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:18 am

MotownMadness · Post #7 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:19 am

MotownMadness wrote:
tmorgan wrote:Draymond is a darn good player, but giving a relative non-scorer (in terms of shot creation skills and shooting percentage) a max deal requires other players on the team to carry the scoring load and not bloat the payroll.

GSW can do that, for now, because Curry is seriously underpaid. I don't think the Pistons can afford that luxury, because Drummond may end up being that guy for us... a non-creator that does other things but gets paid the max.

So... I do think Green will get around 12-14 million per year, but I don't think it can be from the Pistons.

I think he's a great fit especially if we resign Monroe. Just look at the way you can rotate those guys and the defense he brings. Then trade Augustin and try to sign Beverly for cheap for some defense and 3 point shooting. Then hopefully Hezonja or Winslow will still be around in the draft or we can trade up.

Jennings/Beverly
KCP/Meeks/Singler
Green/Winslow/Singler
Monroe/Green
Drummond/Monroe

Rotate a constant 4 out 1 in offense between them and he can be our starting 3. But I'm pretty sure we will be hesitant to hand out a max contract right away again on a possible question mark so I don't see it happening and maybe wise.

tmorgan · Post #8 » by **tmorgan** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:22 am

He's a risk anywhere but Golden State, really, which I think will keep his price down (a little) and keep him on the Warriors for... uh, I'll guess 4/50.

Pharaoh · Post #9 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:40 am

MotownMadness wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
tmorgan wrote:Draymond is a darn good player, but giving a relative non-scorer (in terms of shot creation skills and shooting percentage) a max deal requires other players on the team to carry the scoring load and not bloat the payroll.

GSW can do that, for now, because Curry is seriously underpaid. I don't think the Pistons can afford that luxury, because Drummond may end up being that guy for us... a non-creator that does other things but gets paid the max.

So... I do think Green will get around 12-14 million per year, but I don't think it can be from the Pistons.

I think he's a great fit especially if we resign Monroe. Just look at the way you can rotate those guys and the defense he brings. Then trade Augustin and try to sign Beverly for cheap for some defense and 3 point shooting. Then hopefully Hezonja or Winslow will still be around in the draft or we can trade up.

Jennings/Beverly
KCP/Meeks/Singler
Green/Winslow/Singler
Monroe/Green
Drummond/Monroe

Rotate a constant 4 out 1 in offense between them and he can be our starting 3. But I'm pretty sure we will be hesitant to hand out a max contract right away again on a possible question mark so I don't see it happening and maybe wise.

And the only perimeter player in that line up that can consistently create his own shot is Jennings!

We'd get destroyed when teams double Jennings to take the ball out of his hands.

We need a creator on the wing, someone that can consistently get his offensively while not being a turnstile

Post #10 » by **theBigLip** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:49 am

^ Agree. SVG did try to add shooters and drop non-shooters so far in basically every transaction he's done since joining the team. I expect him to do the same this summer (and maybe at the trade deadline?).

Also, Draymond would be a great add to the team. I think he will get close to the Max since it only takes 1 team to give him a crazy offer. GSW will have to pay to keep him for sure. Heck, if I'm SVG, I offer 12-14M just to put GSW in an uncomfortable position. Or maybe threaten to do it unless they trade us Barnes :-)

Pharaoh · Post #11 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:31 am

I think with the short Window teams have to match using our cap space to put San Antonio, Chicago & GSW in a difficult position is a good move.

I'd still send Harris a message via the "grapevine" that he's our target though...then chase Leonard & Butler first.

I'm not hating on Green - he's a quality player! I just think Harris solves more issues than he does

kurtis48239 · Post #12 » by **kurtis48239** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:39 am

Big believer in green,would love to get him.Kerr said said hes the heart and soul of that team and gives it his all every single game and fires his team up.

whitehops · Post #13 » by **whitehops** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:03 am

it would be expensive but if we could re-sign Monroe (yes i'm coming around to bring him back), jerebko and sign draymond green that would be a dream offseason. add a draft pick as our backup 4/5 and you're looking at a damn good roster under SVG.

I doubt green is a max player but he could very well garner a 12-15 mil/year contract.

vic · Post #14 » by **vic** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:32 am

He's like Josh Smith with a baskeball iq, energy and a 3 point shot. Definitely worth it.

Blkbrd671 · Post #15 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:44 am

r0cd0gg wrote:We are only allowed 3 paragraphs from other sites. I will let you edit it to the 3 you prefer.

copied directly off GB, my bad totally flew over my head

epheisey · Post #16 » by **epheisey** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:45 am

Green won't provide this team with max money value. We just don't have the proper players to make Green worth that kind of money. This team needs a #1 or #2 scoring option, and I don't think Green is capable of that. He's also not a great 3pt shooter, which in the 4 out 1 in offense that SVG uses, is not ideal.

I don't think Green is a bad player, I just think he's a bad fit for this team. I'm willing to bet that Green here would look nowhere near a max player.

Canadafan · Post #17 » by **Canadafan** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:46 pm

I think he'd be perfect. A perfect replacement to JJ and Tolliver as our stretch 4's. But we'd still need a SF. Somebody that can create and be a secondary ball handler. Plus re-sign Monroe. Lol not sure if that's all possible but if it is watch out rest of the league!

rmfc · Post #18 » by **rmfc** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:49 pm

Draymond is very versatile and would probably be a very good fit at SF for our team but the guy is not even remotely close to being a MAX player.

mattao313 · Post #19 » by **mattao313** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:14 pm

I hope we don't go after this guy it would be like Josh Smith all over again.

ComboGuardCity · Post #20 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:14 pm

I envision Drumroe as the max building blocks surrounded by mid tier guys that enhance those guys. In a perfect world, we could sign Draymond, but doing so might blow up our cap space in the future. Personally I think KCP is going to break out next year very similar to Jimmy Butler and he's going to command Money. There just isn't a surplus of 2 way 2s.

8 mill PG/2mill backup
10 mill SG/5mill SG backup
8 mill SF/SG/MLE 34
14 mill PF/MLE 34
15mill C/ PF/ 2 mill backup

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