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They have won 4/5 since Moose has went out and here's their averages-

Jackson last 5: 20.2 points, 12.2 assts, 6.0 rebs, 2.1 TOs,.454 FG%, 400 3FG%

KCP last 5: 22.4 points, 4.6 rebs, .537 FG%, .411 3FG%

Drummonds last 5: 15.6ppg, 15.8rpg, 2.4blks, .451 FG%

THE FUTURE!!!!!!!! Plus one of Winslow, Johnson, Oubre or Hezonja should be on the way,

MotownMadness wrote:They have won 4/5 since Moose has went out and here's their averages-

Jackson last 5: 20.2 points, 12.2 assts, 6.0 rebs, 2.1 TOs,.454 FG%, 400 3FG%

KCP last 5: 22.4 points, 4.6 rebs, .537 FG%, .411 3FG%

Drummonds last 5: 15.6ppg, 15.8rpg, 2.4blks, .451 FG%

THE FUTURE!!!!!!!! Plus one of Winslow, Johnson, Oubre or Hezonja should be on the way,

Not relying on a draft pick but we will have plenty of money for free agents

sc8581 wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:They have won 4/5 since Moose has went out and here's their averages-

Jackson last 5: 20.2 points, 12.2 assts, 6.0 rebs, 2.1 TOs,.454 FG%, 400 3FG%

KCP last 5: 22.4 points, 4.6 rebs, .537 FG%, .411 3FG%

Drummonds last 5: 15.6ppg, 15.8rpg, 2.4blks, .451 FG%

THE FUTURE!!!!!!!! Plus one of Winslow, Johnson, Oubre or Hezonja should be on the way,

Not relying on a draft pick but we will have plenty of money for free agents

Not rely but I just meant another young prospect coming. We are going to need to add some good already experience players to make some notice though.

ATTENTION MISSING PERSON'S NOTICE:

There's a BOLO out on Monroe lovers, haven't been seen in the past 5 games, and the board is worried sick. If you have any information of their where abouts, we encourage you contact your local authorities.

Blkbrd671 wrote:ATTENTION MISSING PERSON'S NOTICE:

There's a BOLO out on Monroe lovers, haven't been seen in the past 5 games, and the board is worried sick. If you have any information of their where abouts, we encourage you contact your local authorities.

You love twisting that knife dont you lol.

kurtis48239 wrote:

Blkbrd671 wrote:ATTENTION MISSING PERSON'S NOTICE:

There's a BOLO out on Monroe lovers, haven't been seen in the past 5 games, and the board is worried sick. If you have any information of their where abouts, we encourage you contact your local authorities.

You love twisting that knife dont you lol.

only cuz i know damn straight, if the situation was reversed, they'd do the same thing

Monroe is still a great player last year against OKC when Josh Smith was out and they had Jennings, KcP, Singker and Monrie Drummond playing they almost win. Last year that was the future. Then they traded Josh Smith and we actually saw it happen for like 20 games the Pistons were a top 5 team in the lesgue.

Then Jennings went down and unfortunately there were no spare point guards that could penetrate and hit 3s like Jennings so SVG went and got a starting pg that didn't fit with Monroe.
It's just basketball. You need 3 shooters to compete. If you take this to mean Monroe is a bad player after all he has done you probSbly thought Josh Smith was a good player too, so I'm not impressed

MotownMadness wrote:THE FUTURE!!!!!!!! Plus one of Winslow, Johnson, Oubre or Hezonja should be on the way,

I really hope some other GM takes Hezonja before us.

ImHeisenberg wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:THE FUTURE!!!!!!!! Plus one of Winslow, Johnson, Oubre or Hezonja should be on the way,

I really hope some other GM takes Hezonja before us.

I on the other hand want to roll the dice on Hezonja!

Solid stroke, elite athleticism, decent handles.... I don't see what's not to like other than the fact he's European which can be very hit and miss. Call me crazy but I see higher upside in Mario than Johnson and Winslow.


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A_dub06 wrote:

ImHeisenberg wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:THE FUTURE!!!!!!!! Plus one of Winslow, Johnson, Oubre or Hezonja should be on the way,

I really hope some other GM takes Hezonja before us.

I on the other hand want to roll the dice on Hezonja!

Solid stroke, elite athleticism, decent handles.... I don't see what's not to like other than the fact he's European which can be very hit and miss. Call me crazy but I see higher upside in Mario than Johnson and Winslow.

Chad Ford mentioned a couple days ago that Hez hasn't even made a shot over the last couple games. I know some people are euro-sensitive due to Darko. I don't feel that way. But, I just don't believe this kid is going to be special in the NBA considering how poor his play is Spain.

If you're just going to take a risk on a complete gamble, you may as well take Oubre. I hope we somehow get Johnson or Winslow, two players who have actually produced results and wins for their teams.

ImHeisenberg wrote:

MotownMadness wrote:THE FUTURE!!!!!!!! Plus one of Winslow, Johnson, Oubre or Hezonja should be on the way,

I really hope some other GM takes Hezonja before us.

i could honestly see orlando being the team that gambles on hezonja. they don't have much in the way of perimeter scoring/shooting, so he could potentially be a good fit. payton and oladipo are primarily attackers on offense and defensive hounds, so mario could definitely compliment them.

then, for some reason, i literally expect the kings to draft porzingis. all offseason and even a little this season, sacramento was looking for an athletic shotblocking big to compliment cousins, which is why they showed interest in smith. porzingis would be able to come in, play his role, and even space the court a bit for them. i honestly think he's a perfect fit there.

I'd love Johnson or Winslow as well, but this newfound chemistry mentioned in the OP may take us out of range...

ElectricMayhem wrote:I'd love Johnson or Winslow as well, but this newfound chemistry mentioned in the OP may take us out of range...

We need Monroe to get back on the court ASAP!!!!

Blkbrd671 wrote:ATTENTION MISSING PERSON'S NOTICE:

There's a BOLO out on Monroe lovers, haven't been seen in the past 5 games, and the board is worried sick. If you have any information of their where abouts, we encourage you contact your local authorities.

You do remember when Smith was waived and the team played a much better for a longer period with Monroe and Jennings leading the way??

Honestly, I'm more excited to see KCP succeed with Monroe out than with Monroe not playing. If this means KCP succeeds at the cost of Monroe, I'm more than happy to be honest.

I've always been more of a KCP fan than most here though, something about SGs just speak to me (maybe cuz I play the position during pickups). I'm so excited with these string of games.

Really speaks to the importance of chemistry and fit. With Jennings at point Drumroe worked. With Jackson it's obvious we need better spacing.

That's not necessarily a reflection on Monroe's talent, but IF we really are going to commit to RJ then we need to look big picture. But hell, maybe Drumroe could work with Jackson with another shooter at SF. Hard to say. Also probably a moot point since like most people I expect Greg to bolt.

DBC10 wrote:Honestly, I'm more excited to see KCP succeed with Monroe out than with Monroe not playing. If this means KCP succeeds at the cost of Monroe, I'm more than happy to be honest.

I've always been more of a KCP fan than most here though, something about SGs just speak to me (maybe cuz I play the position during pickups). I'm so excited with these string of games.

Iam right there with you,I was all for wanting burke and admit that,but when we got kcp and I saw him.He imeditly became my favorite player.I like watching guys develope,especialy when they have the desire and game to do so.

Monroe was never the issue. The issue was the front office poorly building this team, and the coaching staff continually trying to force square pegs into round holes.

Monroe is a solid player. He fit great when Jennings was running the point. At this point it looks like he doesn't fit well with Reggie. BUT and there's a really big BUT here, it could simply be that the team is starting to gel with Reggie coincidentally at the same time that Monroe went down. I could be wrong, I'm not saying that's a guarantee, but to bury the guy before we even see what happens when he comes back is incredibly shortsighted (or just very Piston-fan-esque).

I've never had a problem with Monroe leaving. I have a problem with Monroe leaving, and this team hitting another treadmill of subpar success due to shortsighted planning and not bringing in the appropriate replacements.

A Jennings/KCP/SF/Monroe/Drummond lineup still sounds more attractive to me than a Reggie/KCP/SF/PF/Drummond lineup. But obviously we don't know how Jennings will come back from his injury.

Filling 1 starting position and the bench is a much more doable task than filling 2 starting positions, backup center, and the rest of the bench. Monroe is already at the door waiting to leave, and you all want to open the door and give him the finger, when in reality, he's the best option this team has at being competitive during Drummond's prime.

We aren't going to pull in a big FA signing. You shouldn't be putting huge expectations on the draft, because that's a huge unknown. The realistic outcome of forcing Monroe out is that we overpay a mediocre SF, draft a mediocre PF or vice versa, overpay a bad backup center, and trade Jennings for a backup quality player, and we're stuck between the 8th seed and a lottery pick until somebody decides to blow it up again.


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epheisey wrote:Monroe was never the issue. The issue was the front office poorly building this team, and the coaching staff continually trying to force square pegs into round holes.

Monroe is a solid player. He fit great when Jennings was running the point. At this point it looks like he doesn't fit well with Reggie. BUT and there's a really big BUT here, it could simply be that the team is starting to gel with Reggie coincidentally at the same time that Monroe went down. I could be wrong, I'm not saying that's a guarantee, but to bury the guy before we even see what happens when he comes back is incredibly shortsighted (or just very Piston-fan-esque).

I've never had a problem with Monroe leaving. I have a problem with Monroe leaving, and this team hitting another treadmill of subpar success due to shortsighted planning and not bringing in the appropriate replacements.

A Jennings/KCP/SF/Monroe/Drummond lineup still sounds more attractive to me than a Reggie/KCP/SF/PF/Drummond lineup. But obviously we don't know how Jennings will come back from his injury.

Filling 1 starting position and the bench is a much more doable task than filling 2 starting positions, backup center, and the rest of the bench. Monroe is already at the door waiting to leave, and you all want to open the door and give him the finger, when in reality, he's the best option this team has at being competitive during Drummond's prime.

We aren't going to pull in a big FA signing. You shouldn't be putting huge expectations on the draft, because that's a huge unknown. The realistic outcome of forcing Monroe out is that we overpay a mediocre SF, draft a mediocre PF or vice versa, overpay a bad backup center, and trade Jennings for a backup quality player, and we're stuck between the 8th seed and a lottery pick until somebody decides to blow it up again.


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Every other team doesn't have the all mighty Monroe on it besides us. And guess what we haven't been in the playoffs since we've had him, in fact we have the longest playoff drought in the Eastern conference. The league is about fit and utilizing capspace correctly. Maxing out two centers who clog the lane and score around the rim is a problem. We have to run the 4-1 with Drummond and we will.

monroe and jennings was good because one of them can shoot. same thing with tolliver and jackson. but both jackson and monroe can't shoot, so offense collapses