Pistons Grades from Mlive, added DetNews

joedumars1 · Post #1 » by **joedumars1** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:40 pm

Reggie Jackson
Grade: B-

Comment: It's extremely difficult to do what Jackson was asked to do, change teams as a starting point guard in February. Considering there was a 10-game losing streak after his arrival, it's amazing he got this grade. But as a Piston, he's in the top 30 in player efficiency. Detroit will match any offer he gets as a restricted free agent.

But as a Piston, he's in the top 30 in player efficiency 8-)

Source: http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/ ... se.html#16

27 game sample size. 17.6 PPG, 9.2 AST, 4.7 REB, 3.5 TO .436 fg%, .337 3pt%, .796 FT%

I posted this on te GB in the RJ thread, so just copied and pasted. Source is there for everyone tho, I agree with most of the grades
I hope his FT improves, TO go down, I think they will.

Kilo · Post #2 » by **Kilo** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:11 pm

I think it's a harsh grade of him as a Piston as there needs to be allowance for a learning curve coming to a new team without any training camp and barely any practice so late in the season. Once he got familiar with his teammates and plays he was very good. So good I fear somebody might try to steal him with a silly contract offer. I hope he realizes what Detroit did for him and offers him and doesn't go all mercenary in his first big free agency. I hope he is willing to play ball here and hold off on signing until the rest of our off-season business is one so we can go over the cap - as his cap hold is only like $5M.

detroitKG · Post #3 » by **detroitKG** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:38 pm

LOL yea they almost had me until they gave SVG a D+
Out! No way am I buying that on any level...what he was able to do as far as roster turn over and not losing the team in the process..
please Mlive please..

joedumars1 · Post #4 » by **joedumars1** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:47 pm

detroitKG wrote:LOL yea they almost had me until they gave SVG a D+
Out! No way am I buying that on any level...what he was able to do as far as roster turn over and not losing the team in the process..
please Mlive please..

I know there was some stuff the fans where saying he should do, but it took him awhile to do it. I can't think of specifics atm tho. Hopefully someone else can think of something, but if I remember i'll let you know. I do know some games he left Dre or RJ out of the games entirely to long, when one or both were dominating when they were in.

It shows their non bias too, a C plus would've probably been better

DetroitSho · Post #5 » by **DetroitSho** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:21 am

joedumars1 wrote:
detroitKG wrote:LOL yea they almost had me until they gave SVG a D+
Out! No way am I buying that on any level...what he was able to do as far as roster turn over and not losing the team in the process..
please Mlive please..

I know there was some stuff the fans where saying he should do, but it took him awhile to do it. I can't think of specifics atm tho. Hopefully someone else can think of something, but if I remember i'll let you know. I do know some games he left Dre or RJ out of the games entirely to long, when one or both were dominating when they were in.

It shows their non bias too, a C plus would've probably been better

I think you're referring to cutting Josh Smith.

joedumars1 · Post #6 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:42 am

DetroitSho wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:
detroitKG wrote:LOL yea they almost had me until they gave SVG a D+
Out! No way am I buying that on any level...what he was able to do as far as roster turn over and not losing the team in the process..
please Mlive please..

I know there was some stuff the fans where saying he should do, but it took him awhile to do it. I can't think of specifics atm tho. Hopefully someone else can think of something, but if I remember i'll let you know. I do know some games he left Dre or RJ out of the games entirely to long, when one or both were dominating when they were in.

It shows their non bias too, a C plus would've probably been better

I think you're referring to cutting Josh Smith.

That, but some on the court stuff too. Like playing KCP at SF with Meeks at SG, he did that a little, but not much. The detroitnews or freep even had something in a article saying something along the lines of the fans have been saying this forever, but it took SVG awhile to do it. The stretch four might be one of them too, but can't remember for sure.

Laimbeer · Post #7 » by **Laimbeer** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:48 pm

I dunno, do we give Stan high marks for how he handled Smith? They got better after he was cut, but it could have been done earlier, and was it possible at one point to trade him for serviceable players and avoid that kind of cap hit for dead money?

Ghost · Post #8 » by **Ghost** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:51 pm

Tolliver C+ seems a little low. Lucas C- seems a little high. I struggle seeing Anthony at a C+ but Butler at a C. I don't know, maybe it's just me doing a little complaining.
I was impressed with the moves SVG made and how he handled himself. Don't forget he wasn't coaching the last few years. He probably had to shake off some rust? Plus, all the bad habits this team had... I give him props for not suffering a stroke.

joedumars1 · Post #9 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:48 pm

Laimbeer wrote:I dunno, do we give Stan high marks for how he handled Smith? They got better after he was cut, but it could have been done earlier, and was it possible at one point to trade him for serviceable players and avoid that kind of cap hit for dead money?

The grade was only for coaching I believe, not the GM moves

DBC10 · Post #10 » by **DBC10** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:37 pm

Ghost wrote:Tolliver C+ seems a little low. Lucas C- seems a little high. I struggle seeing Anthony at a C+ but Butler at a C. I don't know, maybe it's just me doing a little complaining.
I was impressed with the moves SVG made and how he handled himself. Don't forget he wasn't coaching the last few years. He probably had to shake off some rust? Plus, all the bad habits this team had... I give him props for not suffering a stroke.

Him trying out the "Smith is still a starter" experiment and he didn't suffer a stroke should be automatic COTY status.

joedumars1 · Post #11 » by **joedumars1** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:42 pm

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports ... /25928001/

Drummond was overhyped in regards to being a superstar in the league. To his credit he developed an effective jump hook and is expected to sweeping Bob Lanier-like hook to his game next season. The man is a monster inside and has strong hands that allow him to snag rebounds. He is a talented energy guy who outworks guys in the post. It also helps that he has a wide base. Drummond’s defense needs work and he is in foul trouble too often. He also becomes distracted when he is upset. Drummond will be in the gym most of the summer but he must also work on the mental game. He needs a mentor.

c rasheed · Post #12 » by **c rasheed** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:27 pm

Drummond shot 42% on hook shots according to basketball reference. That's pretty bad considering it's his only go to move. I really hope Drummond isn't going to be like Dwight Howard and have an ego about being "the guy" because he sucks at it.

Post #13 » by **dVs33** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:56 pm

c rasheed wrote:Drummond shot 42% on hook shots according to basketball reference. That's pretty bad considering it's his only go to move. I really hope Drummond isn't going to be like Dwight Howard and have an ego about being "the guy" because he sucks at it.

Considering drummond has a hook shot, even if it's not the most efficient move yet, is impressive to me.
the guy had zero moves before. He made some big strides this season.

detroitKG · Post #14 » by **detroitKG** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:10 pm

dVs33 wrote:
c rasheed wrote:Drummond shot 42% on hook shots according to basketball reference. That's pretty bad considering it's his only go to move. I really hope Drummond isn't going to be like Dwight Howard and have an ego about being "the guy" because he sucks at it.

Considering drummond has a hook shot, even if it's not the most efficient move yet, is impressive to me.
the guy had zero moves before. He made some big strides this season.

Man get this reason and common sense out of here lol
some will never be happy.

Blkbrd671 · Post #15 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:46 am

detroitKG wrote:
dVs33 wrote:
c rasheed wrote:Drummond shot 42% on hook shots according to basketball reference. That's pretty bad considering it's his only go to move. I really hope Drummond isn't going to be like Dwight Howard and have an ego about being "the guy" because he sucks at it.

Considering drummond has a hook shot, even if it's not the most efficient move yet, is impressive to me.
the guy had zero moves before. He made some big strides this season.

Man get this reason and common sense out of here lol
some will never be happy.

awesome post DV33

because this season feels like 4 seasons, we truly forgot how raw Dre used to be. That hook shot looks like it can be his bread and butter what most don't realize is that as soon as defenders start having to respect that, it'll open up a ton more opportunities for his secondary move, which more than likely will be a dunk or facial............gigady gigady gu

Burton · Post #16 » by **Burton** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:05 am

c rasheed wrote:Drummond shot 42% on hook shots according to basketball reference. That's pretty bad considering it's his only go to move. I really hope Drummond isn't going to be like Dwight Howard and have an ego about being "the guy" because he sucks at it.

It'd be nice to see his post all-star break percentages. He definitely was brutal to start the season. Seemed to end decently though.

Pharaoh · Post #17 » by **Pharaoh** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:59 pm

I'll go ahead and give everyone an freaking A for the season!

We were deaf, dumb and blind before SVG was hired! The fact people are disappointed with the season speaks volumes about what he brought simply by signing on the dotted line.

Then he got quality bench players for space or junk (Tolliver & Meeks), nabbed a quality back up big for crap (Anthony)...

Don't forget kicking Smith to the curb, developing KCP, Dre, Dinwiddie...

And the Jennings improvement pre-injury AND the Reggie Jackson trade...

AND the hot streak where we all thought "WOW! We're actually **** relevant again"

AND the "form a **** wall"

Give everyone a **** A+!

Best season in a long damn time AND we have reason to believe this is only the beginning!

BadMofoPimp · Post #18 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:41 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
Best season in a long damn time AND we have reason to believe this is only the beginning!

That is enough for me and a bright future!

Lucidity · Post #19 » by **Lucidity** » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:31 am

c rasheed wrote:Drummond shot 42% on hook shots according to basketball reference. That's pretty bad considering it's his only go to move. I really hope Drummond isn't going to be like Dwight Howard and have an ego about being "the guy" because he sucks at it.

lol

Lucidity · Post #20 » by **Lucidity** » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:33 am

Stan deserves an A+ for cutting Josh alone.

The Reggie trade was a steal, he also made Monroe & Drummond work.

SVG was a brilliant hire, the future is very bright.