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Let's just start off by we are still paying Josh Smith. We owe him $5 million dollars in each of the next 5 seasons. How can we pay a guy money to play some where else? Is another team in that situation? Not including the amnesty clause of course but Smith is unlike those other players as he counts towards the cap. We gave up Josh Smith to open the doors for Monroe but odds are he's signing with a different team. Smith would be in our team getting minutes to work with SVG and Andre and make things happen for us like he has been for the Rockets. I'm not saying that he should be the guy to be in our future plans but we shouldn't have rushed on him and keep him in our squad. Monroe could have been traded for some great value. With Smith gone and Moose on the way out we took 2 steps back and are trying to move 1 step forward.

While I understand your sentiment and agree it's incredibly sad that were paying him that much over the next 5 seasons, it was clear he just wasn't going to work in Detroit. He became complacent and was inhibiting the develop of our younger guys. For our younger guys to be able to actually touch the ball and get in game experience of how team basketball at the NBA level is played, is worth much more in my opinion than keeping josh here just so we don't need to watch him succeed with another team.

The bed was made when we signed smith, regardless of what happened after that we were forced to lay in it. I applaud both SVG and Gores for paying him out as there's no way smith would have had a resurgence in play in Detroit.




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Smith, playing with a star, is a decent player. Not good any more, but decent.

Smith, playing without a star, and thus thinking HE is the star, is a horrible player. That's the guy we had.

Smith definitely looked good tonight. The bigger issue, though, is that Dallas looks totally cooked. Dirk looks old as hell and Rondo hasn't worked out at all.

You either didn't watch any of Piston games when smith was with the pistons or your misinterpreting his play in Houston. Smith is good player when you can afford to bench him. On the pistons, we'd rely to much on him, and simply it just wouldn't work out .

SVG has taken us from there to here. I am more inclined to trust what he is doing. Smith is playing well so i am guessing he'll get decent money next year which will net against our portion owed. It was a ingenious and gutsy call that worked out

Blkbrd671 wrote:You either didn't watch any of Piston games when smith was with the pistons or your misinterpreting his play in Houston. Smith is good player when you can afford to bench him. On the pistons, we'd rely to much on him, and simply it just wouldn't work out .

SVG has taken us from there to here. I am more inclined to trust what he is doing. Smith is playing well so i am guessing he'll get decent money next year which will net against our portion owed. It was a ingenious and gutsy call that worked out

If what you said last is true then that is a great move by the pistons. I can see a team like Miami throw the full MLE at Smoove which would offset the capspace owed to him from our salary. It just sucks that we are losing Monroe and have no backup plan. Smith was our plan B

I'm actually happy they dumped him, god that was probably the worst ball I had seen in years just awful.

I believe his release helped Dre and KCP develop (that hook of Dre's is smooth), we picked up RJ too, RJ can be a top 10 PG in this league imo. His #'s are comparable to Conley and Lowry, maybe even better, albeit in 27 game sample size, but him Dre and KCP seem to get along very well too

I'm also not sure if SVG might of been close to losing some players from believing in him and his system. I really like the route we went. Let's hope Josh gets a good payday this off-season

the way the Stretch Provision works, the bigger the contract Smith signs the better for us in terms of his cap hit. For example, if he signs a new contract for:

$6mil per year, Smith's adjusted cap hit to the Stones would be approx $3mil ($3,149,593.50)
$8mil per year, Smith's adjusted cap hit to the Stones would be approx $2mil ($2,149,593.50)
$10mil per year, Smith's adjusted cap hit to the Stones would be approx $1mil ($1,149,593.50)

Entourage27 wrote:

Blkbrd671 wrote:You either didn't watch any of Piston games when smith was with the pistons or your misinterpreting his play in Houston. Smith is good player when you can afford to bench him. On the pistons, we'd rely to much on him, and simply it just wouldn't work out .

SVG has taken us from there to here. I am more inclined to trust what he is doing. Smith is playing well so i am guessing he'll get decent money next year which will net against our portion owed. It was a ingenious and gutsy call that worked out

If what you said last is true then that is a great move by the pistons. I can see a team like Miami throw the full MLE at Smoove which would offset the capspace owed to him from our salary. It just sucks that we are losing Monroe and have no backup plan. Smith was our plan B

We let smith go becuase SVG realized he was never going to be plan B. If you watched smith on the pistons this season you'd know that he spent quite a bit of time at PF, sometimes with success a lot of times without it. SVG created 10+million in cap space for a plan B, and we can definitely sign a PF that can shoot the ball, something smith nor moose could do

This thread tho...........unfackingbelieavable.

No,smith moving on was the best thing to happen for our team,the guy is playing better because he has two other guys who are better than himself and he cannot just ignore them ,if he dosent play the right way then hes benched.I also think all the negative press he recieved played a roll.Watching tbs and their halftime show and listening to kenny smith talk about us being to quick to judge smith and how we went on that run,wasant really because of him,made my stomach turn.Anyone in their right mind could see smith was dragging this team down and we were instantly better without him.People shouldnt be fooled by this new smith,but should really jump on his case for sabutaging this team,he thought he was better than det and could care less how it hurt us,we had to pay this man to go away or lose the rest of the guys.**** JOSH SMITH!!!!

**** Josh Smith

Him playing better now is good for us. Now he's more likely to sign a decent deal, which will reduce what we owe him.

Again, **** Josh Smith...but let's hope he continues to look decent

kurtis48239 wrote:No,smith moving on was the best thing to happen for our team,the guy is playing better because he has two other guys who are better than himself and he cannot just ignore them ,if he dosent play the right way then hes benched.I also think all the negative press he recieved played a roll.Watching tbs and their halftime show and listening to kenny smith talk about us being to quick to judge smith and how we went on that run,wasant really because of him,made my stomach turn.Anyone in their right mind could see smith was dragging this team down and we were instantly better without him.People shouldnt be fooled by this new smith,but should really jump on his case for sabutaging this team,he thought he was better than det and could care less how it hurt us,we had to pay this man to go away or lose the rest of the guys.**** JOSH SMITH!!!!

Lol

kurtis48239 wrote:No,smith moving on was the best thing to happen for our team,the guy is playing better because he has two other guys who are better than himself and he cannot just ignore them ,if he dosent play the right way then hes benched.I also think all the negative press he recieved played a roll.Watching tbs and their halftime show and listening to kenny smith talk about us being to quick to judge smith and how we went on that run,wasant really because of him,made my stomach turn.Anyone in their right mind could see smith was dragging this team down and we were instantly better without him.People shouldnt be fooled by this new smith,but should really jump on his case for sabutaging this team,he thought he was better than det and could care less how it hurt us,we had to pay this man to go away or lose the rest of the guys.**** JOSH SMITH!!!!

How many Pistons games with Josh do you think Kenny Smith actually watched?


The whole Smith & Monroe situation is Joe's last cluster****. Realistically, we should have moved Monroe at the deadline last year when the acquiring team would get his bird rights and we could get back a decent young player or an ok 1st. Then we could have given Josh run this year next to Dre in his natural position, where hopefully he would up his value to make him movable.

We can complain about Joe's past mistakes all day, but he's gone now, Smith is gone now, Monroe is likely gone as well, we've got a great coach who has a vision of the team he wants to build. I know some people have run out of patience and want to be 1st round fodder for the Cavs/Bulls/Hawks asap, but unlike Joe, Stan is actually trying to build a team that works together. It's time to let go of the past and embrace the process.

Keep a high volume low % chucker?... Uh NO

Simply put, we don't get where we are at NOW had we not dumped Smith.

So no development of KCP and Dre. And certainly no RJ trade.

For the love of God, dumping Smith was the best thing that happened in the last 6 years of this terrible franchise. I'm not even going to go into details of exactly how cancerous and terrible he was for this team. Just absolutely the worst thing to happen in recent years. I'd rather have multiple Rip mutinies then watch Smith start for this team again.

reasons he might take the lowest deal to stay with the rockets.
Whatever he gets a portion goes to us
Texas has no state income tax
he fits their system and seems to have good chemistry there, and with dmo back they may be contenders.
That makes me believe he's going to have to get a really big offer, or he's probably going to give rockets a decent deal.

joedumars1 wrote:I'm actually happy they dumped him, god that was probably the worst ball I had seen in years just awful.

I believe his release helped Dre and KCP develop (that hook of Dre's is smooth), we picked up RJ too, RJ can be a top 10 PG in this league imo. His #'s are comparable to Conley and Lowry, maybe even better, albeit in 27 game sample size, but him Dre and KCP seem to get along very well too

I'm also not sure if SVG might of been close to losing some players from believing in him and his system. I really like the route we went. Let's hope Josh gets a good payday this off-season

the way the Stretch Provision works, the bigger the contract Smith signs the better for us in terms of his cap hit. For example, if he signs a new contract for:

$6mil per year, Smith's adjusted cap hit to the Stones would be approx $3mil ($3,149,593.50)
$8mil per year, Smith's adjusted cap hit to the Stones would be approx $2mil ($2,149,593.50)
$10mil per year, Smith's adjusted cap hit to the Stones would be approx $1mil ($1,149,593.50)

Regardless of what happens with Monroe, Smith needed to be moved. He was an awful team player and chucker. Low IQ and zero effort.
I'm happy he's doing well but I'm happier that he's so far from this team.

No. One good game does not negate an entire year and a half of absolutely horrible basketball. He could help lead the Rockets to the championship, and it would STILL be the right move for the Pistons.

No.

I try to be more nuanced when discussing issues people bring up on these forums, but there's no nuance to discuss here. No.




No.

Moving Smith signaled a change for the franchise. Had to be done and was the right move.

Him here vs. him playing with Dwight and a possible MVP are two different universes