Andre Drummond's Potential

Blkbrd671 · Post #1 » by **Blkbrd671** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:23 am

The one thing that makes Dre so unique for a player his size is his first step and speed. If you haven't ha a chance to watch the Spurs and Clippers series , watch Blake Griffin he's a clear example of a player figuring out he's a lot bigger and quicker than some everyone. He uses his speed against bigger guys and size against smaller. WHEN Dre figures this out,

Shady_ · Post #2 » by **Shady_** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:51 am

Meh, I'm more concerned with Drummond's defensive potential first, I'm watching the game and i am more impressed with Deandre Jordan's defense in 1 on 1 and protecting the paint, he's improved alot. I hope Drummond can improve like that.

need4detroit · Post #3 » by **need4detroit** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:55 am

I've been saying this for a long time, but Dre is a natural face up player on offense. You really see how good he is facing up when hes forced to do it. No ones stopping him from driving to the basket when he faces his man. He has superior ball handling ability for a big man. Furthemore, I would argue that he has more ability as a passer facing up his man.

joedumars1 · Post #4 » by **joedumars1** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:14 am

20-22 ppg, 16-17 boards, 2-3 blocks, 1-2 steals, and that's in 2-3 years lol. If he can some how get his FT shooting to 55-60%, them ppg could be 24, the kid has HOF'er potential. I am a believer he will be a HOF'er

A_dub06 · Post #5 » by **A_dub06** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:43 am

joedumars1 wrote:20-22 ppg, 16-17 boards, 2-3 blocks, 1-2 steals, and that's in 2-3 years lol. If he can some how get his FT shooting to 55-60%, them ppg could be 24, the kid has HOF'er potential. I am a believer he will be a HOF'er

Can I pleeeeeeease have some of what your smoking?

Dre is my favourite NBA player and I think his potential is off the charts however 16-17 rpg? You honestly believe he can average that for a season?

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joedumars1 · Post #6 » by **joedumars1** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:54 am

A_dub06 wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:20-22 ppg, 16-17 boards, 2-3 blocks, 1-2 steals, and that's in 2-3 years lol. If he can some how get his FT shooting to 55-60%, them ppg could be 24, the kid has HOF'er potential. I am a believer he will be a HOF'er

Can I pleeeeeeease have some of what your smoking?

Dre is my favourite NBA player and I think his potential is off the charts however 16-17 rpg? You honestly believe he can average that for a season?

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I guess I should've said 15-16 boards per game, he averaged 16 & 16 in March and April. He is already statistacly on pace to be the best Offensive rebounder ever, trying to find link

Found it

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/4/1/ ... rs-say-yes

ImHeisenberg · Post #7 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:17 am

Griffin was a 20PPG scorer as a rookie. Drummond is light years behind Griffin in terms of offense.

Billl · Post #8 » by **Billl** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:42 pm

Dre is never going to be a natural scorer. He's just doesn't have the touch that those guys have. What he can do is become dependable enough with a couple of moves so that other teams need to collapse on him (like they currently do in pick and roll). Right now, he's got a hook that is nearly a finished product. Teams can crowd him on that shot though, and he'll be forced into a tough look. If he develops a decent counter to that, teams will be forced to bring additional defenders and suddenly Dre becomes an offensive creator and not just a finisher.

Defensively, Dre has HUGE room for improvement. He's a great rebounder already, so if he works on blocking out better, he still has upside there. He's made bid strides in terms of challenging shots without fouling, but his rotations still aren't all the crisp. That's 100% mental. If he recognizes the play a half step quicker, those "near blocks" are going to end up getting swatted. Probably most importantly, he still doesn't really trust his teammates defensively. If/when we get to the point where we are playing on a string defensively, that just frees him up to make plays with his athleticism.

A_dub06 · Post #9 » by **A_dub06** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:05 pm

joedumars1 wrote:
A_dub06 wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:20-22 ppg, 16-17 boards, 2-3 blocks, 1-2 steals, and that's in 2-3 years lol. If he can some how get his FT shooting to 55-60%, them ppg could be 24, the kid has HOF'er potential. I am a believer he will be a HOF'er

Can I pleeeeeeease have some of what your smoking?

Dre is my favourite NBA player and I think his potential is off the charts however 16-17 rpg? You honestly believe he can average that for a season?

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I guess I should've said 15-16 boards per game, he averaged 16 & 16 in March and April. He is already statistacly on pace to be the best Offensive rebounder ever, trying to find link

Found it

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/4/1/ ... rs-say-yes

Yeah I've read articles before stating his offensive rebounding dominance, however even 15-16 is quite high. I'd say 14-15 is more realistic. Imagine if we won the lottery and drafted KAT, would you think I'm that situation Dre could still grab that much with another dominant rebounder?

The sky really is the limit for Drummond, if he ever averaged 20ppg 14.5rpg, 2-3bpg, 1-2spg on efficient %'s I'd be more than ecstatic. I think Dre's ability to score without plays drawn for him is incredibly undervalued and providing we do well in this years draft, I really think the next few years will be incredibly exciting for us Pistons fans. If we luck into a top 3 pick, our team trajectory and potential improves ten fold

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Post #10 » by **dVs33** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:46 pm

This season Drummond added a small hook shot that looked pretty good. He didn't look good with it to start the season, but by the end, he was more comfortable and it was efficient. I was really happy with that development.

Griffin scored 20ppg as a rookie and has developed a much more reliable jumpshot.

It's not quite the same.

Griffin is a far more naturally talented scorer.

Drummond needs to add another move or two to his baby hook and greatly improve his defense.

MrBigShot · Post #11 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:45 pm

I'm more interested with his potential to be a DPOY and control the game on the boards. DeAndre Jordan arguably played at an all star level this year and I think Dre can be a better version of DJ. His FT shooting, unless he improves it, will hurt his ability to score in the post whether it be with his back to the basket or face up and realistically speaking, he's going into his 4th season. He's not going to become a #1 option that you run your offense through in the post.

DBC10 · Post #12 » by **DBC10** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:57 pm

Right now he pretty much is DJ except with a average % to maybe below average hookshot. It looks good, but %-wise hasn't been all that great if I recall correctly. Post scoring should never ever be his absolute number 1 move in his arsenal, but rather putbacks, lobs, and crashing the glass as his a major forte. I don't see him ever growing into even Andrew Bynum levels of ferocity in ability to score, but a richman's Deandre as his ceiling. A great rebounder, leaper, and makes defensive plays that wow you kinda guy.

need4detroit · Post #13 » by **need4detroit** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:42 pm

DBC10 wrote:Right now he pretty much is DJ except with a average % to maybe below average hookshot. It looks good, but %-wise hasn't been all that great if I recall correctly. Post scoring should never ever be his absolute number 1 move in his arsenal, but rather putbacks, lobs, and crashing the glass as his a major forte. I don't see him ever growing into even Andrew Bynum levels of ferocity in ability to score, but a richman's Deandre as his ceiling. A great rebounder, leaper, and makes defensive plays that wow you kinda guy.

Andre Drummond has far superior touch around the rim and agility than D. Jordan, not to mention way better ball handling ability. Hes not DJ with a hook shot.

joedumars1 · Post #14 » by **joedumars1** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:16 pm

DBC10 wrote:Right now he pretty much is DJ except with a average % to maybe below average hookshot. It looks good, but %-wise hasn't been all that great if I recall correctly. Post scoring should never ever be his absolute number 1 move in his arsenal, but rather putbacks, lobs, and crashing the glass as his a major forte. I don't see him ever growing into even Andrew Bynum levels of ferocity in ability to score, but a richman's Deandre as his ceiling. A great rebounder, leaper, and makes defensive plays that wow you kinda guy.

Dre's hook started out at like 28% in the beginning of the year and finished at 42%, I beliieve, someone has the #'s on it, I say that's pretty impressive.

joedumars1 · Post #15 » by **joedumars1** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:19 pm

A_dub06 wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:
A_dub06 wrote:
Can I pleeeeeeease have some of what your smoking?

Dre is my favourite NBA player and I think his potential is off the charts however 16-17 rpg? You honestly believe he can average that for a season?

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I guess I should've said 15-16 boards per game, he averaged 16 & 16 in March and April. He is already statistacly on pace to be the best Offensive rebounder ever, trying to find link

Found it

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/4/1/ ... rs-say-yes

Yeah I've read articles before stating his offensive rebounding dominance, however even 15-16 is quite high. I'd say 14-15 is more realistic. Imagine if we won the lottery and drafted KAT, would you think I'm that situation Dre could still grab that much with another dominant rebounder?

The sky really is the limit for Drummond, if he ever averaged 20ppg 14.5rpg, 2-3bpg, 1-2spg on efficient %'s I'd be more than ecstatic. I think Dre's ability to score without plays drawn for him is incredibly undervalued and providing we do well in this years draft, I really think the next few years will be incredibly exciting for us Pistons fans. If we luck into a top 3 pick, our team trajectory and potential improves ten fold

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Probably not if we somehow get KAT, but he did average 13.5 this year, with Moose, Deander averaged 15 this yr with Blake.

mercury · Post #16 » by **mercury** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:01 am

Hopefully he sticks around so we have a chance to find out... a balanced roster and playoffs is a must next year.

Blkbrd671 · Post #17 » by **Blkbrd671** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:08 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:Griffin was a 20PPG scorer as a rookie. Drummond is light years behind Griffin in terms of offense.

Griffin also was on a sh* team that force fed him the ball. Other than being extremely athletic, he really had no other skillset and has developed nicely along the way. As i stated, i was more pointing out how Griffin has gone from a player who really was just big and athletic, to a player who recognizes the man guarding him and utilities his advantages. Its truly underrated how hard "recognition" is to develop. Dre is probably the closest thing to Blake when it comes to size and quickness for comparison. They move like guards

Blkbrd671 · Post #18 » by **Blkbrd671** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:12 am

dVs33 wrote:This season Drummond added a small hook shot that looked pretty good. He didn't look good with it to start the season, but by the end, he was more comfortable and it was efficient. I was really happy with that development.

Griffin scored 20ppg as a rookie and has developed a much more reliable jumpshot.

It's not quite the same.

Griffin is a far more naturally talented scorer.

Drummond needs to add another move or two to his baby hook and greatly improve his defense.

i don't think Griffin is really a "great defender"

Griffin is a lot more talented offensively

The point of my post was to show a example of a player that developed from a "athletic big man" to a legit threat with his quickness.

Last year Dre had mulitiple occassions where he had a guard on him in the low post and never really took or couldn't advantage of it. I think this season he was able to recognize mismatches and was a lot more vocal about calling for the ball. (to be ignored). The fact that he has a move to go to take advanatage and the fact that he shown a ability to recognize mismatches is really encouraging

Blkbrd671 · Post #19 » by **Blkbrd671** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:15 am

need4detroit wrote:I've been saying this for a long time, but Dre is a natural face up player on offense. You really see how good he is facing up when hes forced to do it. No ones stopping him from driving to the basket when he faces his man. He has superior ball handling ability for a big man. Furthemore, I would argue that he has more ability as a passer facing up his man.

His jab step to spin move, is actually his "move" prior to the baby hook he's developed. and honestly when he pulls it, for the most part it looks clean, until the finish. Dre needs to utilize his face up game against bigger guys like J Val, etc that aren't as quick, and use his baby hook against smaller guys. i can't wait until he develops a secondary move. i really think that once that happens, we are going to see a lot of posters going up

Post #20 » by **dVs33** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:37 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:
dVs33 wrote:This season Drummond added a small hook shot that looked pretty good. He didn't look good with it to start the season, but by the end, he was more comfortable and it was efficient. I was really happy with that development.

Griffin scored 20ppg as a rookie and has developed a much more reliable jumpshot.

It's not quite the same.

Griffin is a far more naturally talented scorer.

Drummond needs to add another move or two to his baby hook and greatly improve his defense.

i don't think Griffin is really a "great defender"

Griffin is a lot more talented offensively

The point of my post was to show a example of a player that developed from a "athletic big man" to a legit threat with his quickness.

Last year Dre had mulitiple occassions where he had a guard on him in the low post and never really took or couldn't advantage of it. I think this season he was able to recognize mismatches and was a lot more vocal about calling for the ball. (to be ignored). The fact that he has a move to go to take advanatage and the fact that he shown a ability to recognize mismatches is really encouraging

my last sentence was about what Drummond needs to do to be great, not to get on Griffins level. my bad. Griffin is a average defender.

I know what you mean about Drummond needed to take advantage of what he has. It infuriates me when he tries finesse moves around the rim instead of just dunking the damn ball. It's a learning/maturing thing. He doesn't know what to do with himself yet. Bigs always take a bit longer to develop that.

He needs to look at guys like Shaq and those kind of power centers to develop that kind of game. He definitely has the speed and size to be dominant when he figures it out.