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I know there are some posters on this board who aren't as passionate about scouting reports and news articles as me. So i figured i'd put a thread together with some highlights, stats and comparison's for convenience and hopefully this may entice others to discuss.





JUSTICE WINSLOW

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQvdekpUz6U[/youtube]

School: Duke
Position: SF
Age: 19
2014-15 Per-Game Stats: 12.6 points, 6.5 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.9 blocks, 22.3 PER

NBA COMPARISON: JAMES HARDEN

Winslow is one of the top athletes in this year's draft with an NBA body at 19 years of age plus great explosiveness and speed. He experienced ups and downs like most freshmen, but his level of consistency and skill level proved even better than advertised. He's got a solid shooting touch, granted his shot still needs work. He's got elite level defensive ability and a great NBA body. He's incredibly fast off the dribble and has really impressed with his ability to finish plays while operating at a high rate of speed in the open floor. Where the question marks still arise are his consistency and assertiveness. While he's probably a risky pick, due to having an unrefined skill set, he has upside that few can match. - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/draft_2015.htm#sth ... 1iUnz.dpuf

STANLEY JOHNSON

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KtDtQ97bLk[/youtube]

School: Arizona

Position: SF

Age: 18

2014-15 Per-Game Stats: 13.8 points, 6.5 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.4 blocks, 22.5 PER

NBA COMPARISON: KAWAI LEONARD

Stanley had a very solid freshman season, however his deficiencies were exposed to a degree as he struggled at season's end. He's not the most explosive athlete, though very good, and his offensive skill set shows a lot of promise, but remains unrefined. With such tremendous body strength, he has the makings of a standout defender at the NBA level. Despite a dip in output and Arizona falling short of the Final Four, Stanley is unlikely to slip too far in the draft. He shows the will power and desire to continue to develop and polish his rough edges. He delivered four high school state titles and shows a winning mentality that should make him a valued role player at minimum. - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/draft_2015.htm#sth ... 1iUnz.dpuf

MARIO HEZJONA

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d4vqiqSMOY[/youtube]

International Team: FC Barcelona

Position: SG/SF

Age: 20

2014-15 Per-Game Stats: 6.1 points, 2.0 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.1 blocks, 13.4 PER

NBA COMPARISON: JOE JOHNSON

Hezonja has long been a highly-coveted prospect in Europe due to his standout athleticism, but struggled to develop steady playing time and consistency over the past few seasons with injuries and off-court distractions. He finally gained consistent minutes this season and has produced. With a strong finish to the season, Hezonja could challenge Porzingis to be the first European off the board. He's the most athletic two-guard out of Europe in over a decade and shows a flare for making highlight plays. - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/draft_2015.htm#sth ... 1iUnz.dpuf

KELLY OUBRE

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3VXSPdWtw[/youtube]

School: Kansas

Position: SF

Age: 19

2014-15 Per-Game Stats: 9.3 points, 5.0 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.4 blocks, 21.1 PER

NBA COMPARISON: PAUL GEORGE

Oubre could still play himself into the Top 10 in workouts, but is a candidate to slip into the mid-late teens. He struggled coming out of the gates, but recovered nicely as the season progressed. He has an excellent frame (7-foot-2 wingspan) for a wing and shows above average athleticism and outside shooting ability. He still must become a more disciplined decision maker and defender. He also should work on his ability to create shots and developing a midrange game. His attitude gets criticized, and it remains to be seen if he really is a team player at heart. He does show some solid potential as a defender, but generally gets knocked for his lack of intensity and effort on the defensive end by scouts. . - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/draft_2015.htm#sth ... 1iUnz.dpuf

SAM DEKKER
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-jfJSFInqE[/youtube]

School: Wisconsin

Position: SF

Age: 21

2014-15 Per-Game Stats: 13.9 points, 5.5 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.5 blocks, 25.5 PER

NBA COMPARISON: GORDON HAYWARD

Nobody's stock took a more dramatic jump in the NCAA tournament than Dekker's. He'd had a disappointing regular season statistically, in relation to expectations. But through it all he remained a tremendous Robin to Frank Kaminsky's Batman, showing what an unselfish team player and teammate he is. In the NCAA tournament, Dekker jumped to the forefront with numerous late-game heroics to put away opponents, including both Wildcat teams, Arizona and Kentucky. He is a dynamic athlete with the ability to finish at the rim as well as create outside shots. His "big boy" play in the tournament certainly made a lot of believers out of NBA scouts, and his stock couldn't be higher after an impressive tournament run. - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/draft_2015.htm#sth ... 1iUnz.dpuf

I have been on the record driving the Turner and Oubre bandwagons, and i am eating crow on one of them. After watching a ton of film last night on Oubre, i did not realize how much of a headcase he was. His effort is lacking, and another player with a ton of tools with minimal production. While yes there's no indication that he won't reach his potential eventually, at the 8th spot in the draft, there are more ready now prospects.

After my revelation of Oubre, i started looking at the 2 closest prospects at #8 , Hez and Johnson. Quite frankly there's a lot to like in both, so either pick i think we'll be fine. However if i had to go with one. I am definitely picking Stanley Johnson.
#1 is undersized the way Andre Drummond is undersized for a center. There's not much difference.
#2 considering he's 200,000lbs at 6'6" really makes me believe he can defend SF's.His motor is encouraging
#3 He shows a ability to shoot in traffic and shoot the 3. His form is there just needs refinement, his release is quick
#4 The film agrees
#5 He already has a relationship with DRe and RJ. Chemistry is highly valued in the lockeroom

My fear of Hez is that you can't really study film of him as its international play, additionally he is a head case. And our lockeroom does not need that.


Dekker i think isn't in play at #8, however i wouldn't be suprised if he's picked. His film shows that he does a lot of things coaches like, however he lacks the upside and athleticism that the previous prospects have.

I am all aboard the Stanley Johnson bandwagon....unless Winslow slips to us.

Dekker= a little better Singler no thank you.

I want if available
Winslow: He just shines in the tape I watched, seems he has all the intangibles too
Johnson: Has all the intangibles, should be a good one, I think he could give us 15-20mpg rite away too.
Porzingis: Man that potential is insane, I think he could give us 15-20mpg rite away too, kinda like Giannis with Milwaukee.
Hezonja: Just worried about the little tape and his attitude, he could give us contribution rite away too.

Interesting prospect
Trey Lyles: weak on D, but can pass and shoot the mid-range, didn't play to much at Kentucky behind WCS and Towns

People don't really want
WCS: A backup to Dre. Why? Playing him with Dre would be worse than Moose probably
Kaminsky: probably at his ceiling already or close
Oubre: Seems like a 2-3 years project, maybe longer, he might never develop either imo
Dekker: read above

pistonsfan00 wrote:I am all aboard the Stanley Johnson bandwagon....unless Winslow slips to us.

I hope Denver continues there international fetish. Another thought is trade:


Jennings+#8

for

Frye+ #5

Gurantee winslow at the cost of a stretch 4's contract

joedumars1 wrote:Dekker= a little better Singler no thank you.

I want if available
Winslow: He just shines in the tape I watched, seems he has all the intangibles too
Johnson: Has all the intangibles, should be a good one, I think he could give us 15-20mpg rite away too.

i actually think Johnson will have a more productive season than Winslow, as Johnson shot creating ability is more mature. However its more a matter of "figuring it out" than inability. Winlsow is still the obvious pick

Porzingis: Man that potential is insane, I think he could give us 15-20mpg rite away too, kinda like Giannis with Milwaukee.
Hezonja: Just worried about the little tape and his attitude, he could give us contribution rite away too.

i maybe suffering from Darko hang over, but i am weary of any international prospect in the top 10. I am starting to see Hez as more of a SG than SF. i don't think he'll be a good SF defender.

Interesting prospect
Trey Lyles: weak on D, but can pass and shoot the mid-range, didn't play to much at Kentucky behind WCS and Towns

People don't really want
WCS: A backup to Dre. Why? Playing him with Dre would be worse than Moose probably
Kaminsky: probably at his ceiling already or close
Oubre: Seems like a 2-3 years project, maybe longer, he might never develop either imo
Dekker: read above

Kaminsky and Dekker i think are sleepers. SVG values defense and Lyles tape isn't that encouraging. i still see Turner in play. i just hope we make the right pick

joedumars1 wrote:Interesting prospect
Trey Lyles: weak on D, but can pass and shoot the mid-range, didn't play to much at Kentucky behind WCS and Towns

Lyles started and played 23 minutes a game at Kentucky. He was just (way) out of position at small forward. He's an interesting power forward prospect but I would be stunned if his name is anywhere near the conversation at 8.

Blkbrd671 wrote:

joedumars1 wrote:Dekker= a little better Singler no thank you.

I want if available
Winslow: He just shines in the tape I watched, seems he has all the intangibles too
Johnson: Has all the intangibles, should be a good one, I think he could give us 15-20mpg rite away too.

i actually think Johnson will have a more productive season than Winslow, as Johnson shot creating ability is more mature. However its more a matter of "figuring it out" than inability. Winlsow is still the obvious pick

Porzingis: Man that potential is insane, I think he could give us 15-20mpg rite away too, kinda like Giannis with Milwaukee.
Hezonja: Just worried about the little tape and his attitude, he could give us contribution rite away too.

i maybe suffering from Darko hang over, but i am weary of any international prospect in the top 10. I am starting to see Hez as more of a SG than SF. i don't think he'll be a good SF defender.

Interesting prospect
Trey Lyles: weak on D, but can pass and shoot the mid-range, didn't play to much at Kentucky behind WCS and Towns

People don't really want
WCS: A backup to Dre. Why? Playing him with Dre would be worse than Moose probably
Kaminsky: probably at his ceiling already or close
Oubre: Seems like a 2-3 years project, maybe longer, he might never develop either imo
Dekker: read above

Kaminsky and Dekker i think are sleepers. SVG values defense and Lyles tape isn't that encouraging. i still see Turner in play. i just hope we make the right pick

I hope we make the rite pick too, this is why i'm not to worried about Porzingis(if he is available), we know his three should translate and........

Someone else explained this on another forum because they want Trey Lyles, it makes sense, it also makes sense for Porzingis too.

The PF position as we have all seen in recent years has become more hybrid, more perimeter, less demanding for a PF to have to be elite defensively. Can the PF defender stay aware enough, stay mobile enough to contest shots from the perimeter while doing an adequately solid job defending the high post and rebounding the defensive boards? This is no longer the age of Duncan, Garnett, Sheed, Webber, Dirk at the PF spot. Still some great offensive PFs in the league like Griffin and Davis and LMA. But fewer back-to-the-basket PFs that punish low post defenders all game long. And having a rim protector like Drummond at center also helps mitigate the need for elite defense at PF to some degree.

coordinator0 wrote:

joedumars1 wrote:Interesting prospect
Trey Lyles: weak on D, but can pass and shoot the mid-range, didn't play to much at Kentucky behind WCS and Towns

Lyles started and played 23 minutes a game at Kentucky. He was just (way) out of position at small forward. He's an interesting power forward prospect but I would be stunned if his name is anywhere near the conversation at 8.

Exactly

Having watched moose get torched by stretch 4's , 5 games in a row just reinforces the notion we need more D on perimeter.

Kelly Oubre - Paul George?
Winslow - James Harden?

Wow..

bkseven wrote:Kelly Oubre - Paul George?
Winslow - James Harden?

Wow..

Per articles

If you don't think Winslow has a similar style to harden, you haven't been watching. I don't normally like NBA comparison's, but when you watch film, its hard to not see the similarities,.

bkseven wrote:Kelly Oubre - Paul George?
Winslow - James Harden?

Wow..

Yeah, more like Nick Young and Arron Afflalo

c-dot wrote:

bkseven wrote:Kelly Oubre - Paul George?
Winslow - James Harden?

Wow..

Yeah, more like Nick Young and Arron Afflalo

that's even a worst comparison

Winslow has a dope eurostep. I'd love to have that on the Pistons.

tmorgan wrote:Winslow has a dope eurostep. I'd love to have that on the Pistons.

notice that while watching film, he disguises it pretty well too

Blkbrd671 wrote:

bkseven wrote:Kelly Oubre - Paul George?
Winslow - James Harden?

Wow..

Per articles

If you don't think Winslow has a similar style to harden, you haven't been watching. I don't normally like NBA comparison's, but when you watch film, its hard to not see the similarities,.

Please make a strong statement comparing Harden and Winslow. I will have it in my sig. It goes well with FlipTSO's comment on Harden and Stuckey.

bkseven wrote:
Please make a strong statement comparing Harden and Winslow. I will have it in my sig. It goes well with FlipTSO's comment on Harden and Stuckey.

#1. No one really cares about your sig, we all know what your here for and most of the board see's right through you. Sig me all you want, i take that as a compliment

#2 Actually watch film of winslow, its not hard to see there very similar in their movements and the way they play. If you can not see that, then i can't help you.

Blkbrd671 wrote:I have been on the record driving the Turner and Oubre bandwagons, and i am eating crow on one of them. After watching a ton of film last night on Oubre, i did not realize how much of a headcase he was. His effort is lacking, and another player with a ton of tools with minimal production. While yes there's no indication that he won't reach his potential eventually, at the 8th spot in the draft, there are more ready now prospects.

After my revelation of Oubre, i started looking at the 2 closest prospects at #8 , Hez and Johnson. Quite frankly there's a lot to like in both, so either pick i think we'll be fine. However if i had to go with one. I am definitely picking Stanley Johnson.
#1 is undersized the way Andre Drummond is undersized for a center. There's not much difference.
#2 considering he's 200,000lbs at 6'6" really makes me believe he can defend SF's.His motor is encouraging
#3 He shows a ability to shoot in traffic and shoot the 3. His form is there just needs refinement, his release is quick
#4 The film agrees
#5 He already has a relationship with DRe and RJ. Chemistry is highly valued in the lockeroom

My fear of Hez is that you can't really study film of him as its international play, additionally he is a head case. And our lockeroom does not need that.


Dekker i think isn't in play at #8, however i wouldn't be suprised if he's picked. His film shows that he does a lot of things coaches like, however he lacks the upside and athleticism that the previous prospects have.

Thank you for your insights and for taking the time and doing the work.

Warspite wrote:

Thank you for your insights and for taking the time and doing the work.

OFFSEASON, dying for some Piston news and discussion. Appreciate the recognition

Blkbrd671 wrote:

bkseven wrote:
Please make a strong statement comparing Harden and Winslow. I will have it in my sig. It goes well with FlipTSO's comment on Harden and Stuckey.

#1. No one really cares about your sig, we all know what your here for and most of the board see's right through you. Sig me all you want, i take that as a compliment

#2 Actually watch film of winslow, its not hard to see there very similar in their movements and the way they play. If you can not see that, then i can't help you.

Sorry, that was not as bold of a statement made by FlipTSO. There is no way on earth Winslow is gonna be as elite of a scorer as Harden is in the NBA. Not even close.