Please dont draft Stanley Johnson

[JE1998]

Saw this somewhere:

Jimmy Butler is closer to 6'8 with shoes. Plus, this past season he played primarily at SG. He can play SF but with his size and length (short arms), he's better suited to be a 2 and he has the perimeter skill to stick there unlike Stanley. And Kawhi has like a 7'3 wingspan and has freakishly big hands and athleticism. Stanley is a small 6'6 and has a slightly above-average wingspan for an NBA wing. But these days, a lot of perimeter wings have really, really long wingspans. Look at Dwyane Wade at 6'4 with his 6'11 wingspan. Heck, 6'3 Reggie Jackson has over a 7 foot wingspan as a PG.

And while those comparisons are fine, the truth is today's SFs are getting taller and longer. Guys like Ariza, Joe Johnson, Wiggins, Gordon Hayward, Wilson Chandler, Tobias Harris, Thaddeus Young, Harrison Barnes are 6'8 or taller (in shoes) and most of them with wingspans as long as Stanley's or longer. Durant, Batum, Rudy Gay, Giannis, Parsons, Dunleavy, Gallinari are all 6'9 or 6'10 or taller with 7 foot plus wingspans. The 6'5 to 6'7 starting SFs are getting fewer and fewer. There are a handful still like Pierce and PJ Tucker, but not many. Not many at all. On a nightly basis, Stanley will generally be over-matched in size and challenged defensively regardless of how good he is at that end.

I'm simply not a believer in Stanley Johnson's jumpshooting. Not great form. Not a quick release. And you add the three point line being a bit farther out than in college and with NBA sized SF defenders and better defensive schemes, my guess is that he will be closer to 30% from three point range in the NBA. Victor Oladipo shot 44% from three point range his last season in college. There were people who thought his jumper was ready to translate to the NBA, including some people on these boards. His two seasons in the NBA, he's been closer to a 33% three point shooter. 44% in college his last year after working on his shooting to 33% in the NBA. That's a significant regression. I don't see Stanley maintaining a 37% three point clip in the NBA. A guy like Kawhi Leonard with his improved three point shooting is an exception, not the rule. And you can probably attribute a great deal of that to Pop's coaching and his offensive schemes and the Spurs ball movement to create really good, open looks for three point shooters. Maybe if Stanley got drafted by the Spurs or Golden State or Atlanta, he'd become a really good three point shooter. But I just don't see him becoming a good enough three point shooter to make up for his lack of size and lack of other perimeter skills.

We need a starting calibre SF, but it doesn't have to be picked in a draft

FA? Trade?

W can simply take someone like Myles Turner at 8th. His potential is massive.

[Kilo]

Where did you see it? Why not link to the source - I mean obviously you know where it came from as you had to cut and paste it here.

[ImHeisenberg]

Size only makes up one aspect of the total package. Decision making, or often referred to as BBIQ is often overlooked while drooling over measurements.

Ben Wallace was a 6'7 center with small hands and zero offensive game. He turned out to be one of the most stifling defensive centers the league has ever witnessed.

Johnson is definitely going to be on the short list of players will look to draft. I think Porzingis, Hezonja and Winslow are on there, if any of them are available at 8.

That's the draft we're in. A lot of players with high ceilings, and really low floors. You could make a post pushing all the negative aspects of every reasonable prospect in our draft range. This is a much weaker draft than people are making it out to be, I know I've been banging that drum for months, but I still feel that way.

[JE1998]

Where did you see it? Why not link to the source - I mean obviously you know where it came from as you had to cut and paste it here.

http://pistons.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/ ... 05737/p/15

[JE1998]

Size only makes up one aspect of the total package. Decision making, or often referred to as BBIQ is often overlooked while drooling over measurements.

Ben Wallace was a 6'7 center with small hands and zero offensive game. He turned out to be one of the most stifling defensive centers the league has ever witnessed.

Johnson is definitely going to be on the short list of players will look to draft. I think Porzingis, Hezonja and Winslow are on there, if any of them are available at 8.

That's the draft we're in. A lot of players with high ceilings, and really low floors. You could make a post pushing all the negative aspects of every reasonable prospect in our draft range. This is a much weaker draft than people are making it out to be, I know I've been banging that drum for months, but I still feel that way.

But I don't get why people say Stanley Johnson is a great fit

Another undersized player? We have Jennings, Meeks, Tolliver, Joel Anthony. The trend is, SF are being bigger n bigger than it used to be. Maybe Stanley Johnson can play d against bigger SFs, but what else? Tenacity alone? U cant teach size

I am not even that confident with Johnson's shooting either. Slow release and terrible form.

Why do we need another undersized player who isn't a gurantee shooter? I think someone like Portis or Kaminsky is a "What you see is what you get type" (maybe Portis with some potential on the defensive end). Stanley Johnson screams bust to me, too much uncertainties.

I just don't see good potential in Stanley Johnson, will be very very disappointed if we draft him at the end

[tmorgan]

Well, I'll assume that's you on the other site and you're quoting youtself -- either that or it's some other random person named Joe Jam.

Johnson has his warts, but so does anyone else that's likely to be available at #8.

[JE1998]

Well, I'll assume that's you on the other site and you're quoting youtself -- either that or it's some other random person named Joe Jam.

Johnson has his warts, but so does anyone else that's likely to be available at #8.

No I am not Joe Jam, I just kinda agree with what he wrote

Booker and Portis , for example, have less question marks in my mind. But they are ranked lower in mock drafts by some "experts". But I think both will have better pro career than Porzingis and Stanley Johnson.

call me silly but those two are MASSIVE question marks with so much holes in their game. Too much uncertainties

Portis and Booker, you know what u can expect from them. Good size for their positions, all-round game, no clear weakness and some specialties in their games

I like Kaminsky too, he is a low risk, low reward pick. Will have a better career than Tyler Zeller for example. And in this risky draft, I don't think that's any bad. People focused too much on Kaminsky's shooting, but his defense and rebounding ability isn't that bad

[joedumars1]

You can tell it's close to draft time when people start talking about Height, Vert, Reach, blah.

Sorry guys that think that matters, in some cases it does, with unique players (Giannis).

You CAN NOT coach, heart, want to, desire, leadership, and if you can play you can play. Stanley can play I'll take them aspects over height anyday.

[JE1998]

You can tell it's close to draft time when people start talking about Height, Vert, Reach, blah.

Sorry guys that think that matters, in some cases it does, with unique players (Giannis).

You CAN NOT coach, heart, want to, desire, leadership, and if you can play you can play. Stanley can play I'll take them aspects over height anyday.

The thing is, why do we need another undersized player in the roster? We have plenty small guys at their positions like Jennings, Meeks, Tolliver, Joel Anthony, Caron Butler and co.

Another 6'6" SF/PF? and a wing who cant shoot well? With slow release and terrible form?

Where is the fit in this team? We need size and outside shooting at the 2/3 spot, Stanley Johnson cant help in that regards at all. Can simply draft Booker and play KCP there. At least I wont concern about Booker's size at SG and his all-round game

Is Stanley Johnson a projected top 10 pick just because the mock draft and experts say he is? I feel more comfortable drafting someone like booker or Portis in this draft. Don't think both players will be that big of a question mark

[joedumars1]

You can tell it's close to draft time when people start talking about Height, Vert, Reach, blah.

Sorry guys that think that matters, in some cases it does, with unique players (Giannis).

You CAN NOT coach, heart, want to, desire, leadership, and if you can play you can play. Stanley can play I'll take them aspects over height anyday.

The thing is, why do we need another undersized player in the roster? We have plenty small guys at their positions like Jennings, Meeks, Tolliver, Joel Anthony, Caron Butler and co.

Another 6'6" SF/PF? and a wing who cant shoot well? With slow release and terrible form?

Where is the fit in this team? We need size and outside shooting at the 2/3 spot, Stanley Johnson cant help in that regards at all. Can simply draft Booker and play KCP there. At least I wont concern about Booker's size at SG and his all-round game

Is Stanley Johnson a projected top 10 pick just because the mock draft and experts say he is? I feel more comfortable drafting someone like booker or Portis in this draft. Don't think both players will be that big of a question mark

So you want to play 6'6 KCP at SF? Stanley is almost 6'7 at 240 pounds, the dude is going to be good. I think he can come in rite away and give 10-15 points, on 20-25 minutes, with solid D.

[JE1998]

Portis or Kaminsky is my choice

And I think both are more "what you see is what you get" type than Stanley Johnson.

[JE1998]

Bobby Portis' stock should go up like rocket in the next few weeks, mark my words.

By the draft day, I think Portis will be a top 10 pick. He doesn't have clear weakness in his game, pretty all-round, reasonably athletic, a good rebounder and is a very good shooter for a 6'11" 246lb PF

[MrBigShot]

He's 6'6.5 with a 6'11.5 wingspan....he's fine. As others have indicated size isn't the end all be all when it comes to defense. Joe Dumars and Ben Wallace were excellent defenders despite being having less than ideal size for their position. Heck, Draymond Green is undersized compared to many of the PFs he guards and he's a tremendous defender.

I'm more interested in his defensive awareness, strength, motor and passion for the game at the next level than him being 6'6.5 instead of 6'8.

[JE1998]

He's 6'6.5 with a 6'11.5 wingspan....he's fine. As others have indicated size isn't the end all be all when it comes to defense. Joe Dumars and Ben Wallace were excellent defenders despite being having less than ideal size for their position. Heck, Draymond Green is undersized compared to many of the PFs he guards and he's a tremendous defender.

I'm more interested in his defensive awareness, strength, motor and passion for the game at the next level than him being 6'6.5 instead of 6'8.

Talking about fit

Our roster is probably the smallest among the entire NBA, Tolliver and Joel Anthony are our bigs and we have Meeks and Butler at wing. Another small player? Why cant we have a bigger wing

Our 2/3 need size and outside shooting, Stanley is a borderline case in both categories. Hows that a good fit?

Sign Demarre Carroll from FA and use our pick on Portis, that will be a good offseason.

[kurtis48239]

Anyone taking this troll account seriously ? Its obvious, that someone who wants another player and wants to throw salt on johnson,just so they have "another user" that agrees.

You cant argue that johnson has the size and game to fit in here.

Nothing to see here.

[joedumars1]

He's 6'6.5 with a 6'11.5 wingspan....he's fine. As others have indicated size isn't the end all be all when it comes to defense. Joe Dumars and Ben Wallace were excellent defenders despite being having less than ideal size for their position. Heck, Draymond Green is undersized compared to many of the PFs he guards and he's a tremendous defender.

I'm more interested in his defensive awareness, strength, motor and passion for the game at the next level than him being 6'6.5 instead of 6'8.

Talking about fit

Our roster is probably the smallest among the entire NBA, Tolliver and Joel Anthony are our bigs and we have Meeks and Butler at wing. Another small player? Why cant we have a bigger wing

Our 2/3 need size and outside shooting, Stanley is a borderline case in both categories. Hows that a good fit?

Sign Demarre Carroll from FA and use our pick on Portis, that will be a good offseason.

1. Reggie Jacskon 6'3, with a 7ft wingspan (crazy)
2. KCP 6'6 Probably average two guard size
3. If we draft stanley almost 6'7 decent especially 240 popunds
4. If Tolliver starts (doubtful) 6'8 that is a little undersized, but PF seems to be getting smaller aroun 6'9 or so, look at the starting PF for the last four teams that were in the playoffs.
5.Andre 7'0 with elite athleticism

I wouldn't call that undersized

[JE1998]

question is, I don't think Stanley Johnson is the BPA at 8th, maybe the mock drafts think he is, but he'll hv a more questionable career as a small, non-shooting 3/4 than Booker, Portis or Kaminsky even.

I cant think of a clear weakness from Portis, maybe defense but he is actually solid. Whats wrong with taking a 6'11", 246lb PF with good rebounding ability and good shooting range and a PERFECT complement next to Drummond?

Just because he's ranked lower than Stanley Johnson in mock drafts? In chad Ford's big board? No.....

We need a starting PF(backup C) as much as a starting SF. I'll take a Pf who has the perfect game and perfect size than an undersized SF who cant shoot the ball well.

A non-shooting, undersized SF cant solve our problems. We need a SF , yes; but we need a SF who can space the floor and has size against bigger SFs we see nowadays.

We need a Sf, but draft is not the only way to pursue a starting caliber SF.

DeMarre Carroll? You all forgot about him

[joedumars1]

[quote="JE1998"]question is, I don't think Stanley Johnson is the BPA at 8th, maybe the mock drafts think he is, but he'll hv a more questionable career as a small, non-shooting 3/4 than Booker, Portis or Kaminsky even.

I cant think of a clear weakness from Portis, maybe defense but he is actually solid. Whats wrong with taking a 6'11", 246lb PF with good rebounding ability and good shooting range and a PERFECT complement next to Drummond?

Just because he's ranked lower than Stanley Johnson in mock drafts? In chad Ford's big board? No.....

We need a starting PF(backup C) as much as a starting SF. I'll take a Pf who has the perfect game and perfect size than an undersized SF who cant shoot the ball well.

A non-shooting, undersized SF cant solve our problems. We need a SF , yes; but we need a SF who can space the floor and has size against bigger SFs we see nowadays.

We need a Sf, but draft is not the only way to pursue a starting caliber SF.

DeMarre Carroll? You all forgot about him[/quote} So 6ft 7 and 240 pounds is small for a SF? You might want to go look at SF weight and see who is close, i'll save you trouble, only Lebron.

We can still sign Demarre, wouldn't mind it.

Whoever SVG take I think i'll trust in what he does.

[JE1998]

He's 6'6.5 with a 6'11.5 wingspan....he's fine. As others have indicated size isn't the end all be all when it comes to defense. Joe Dumars and Ben Wallace were excellent defenders despite being having less than ideal size for their position. Heck, Draymond Green is undersized compared to many of the PFs he guards and he's a tremendous defender.

I'm more interested in his defensive awareness, strength, motor and passion for the game at the next level than him being 6'6.5 instead of 6'8.

Talking about fit

Our roster is probably the smallest among the entire NBA, Tolliver and Joel Anthony are our bigs and we have Meeks and Butler at wing. Another small player? Why cant we have a bigger wing

Our 2/3 need size and outside shooting, Stanley is a borderline case in both categories. Hows that a good fit?

Sign Demarre Carroll from FA and use our pick on Portis, that will be a good offseason.

1. Reggie Jacskon 6'3, with a 7ft wingspan (crazy)
2. KCP 6'6 Probably average two guard size
3. If we draft stanley almost 6'7 decent especially 240 popunds
4. If Tolliver starts (doubtful) 6'8 that is a little undersized, but PF seems to be getting smaller aroun 6'9 or so, look at the starting PF for the last four teams that were in the playoffs.
5.Andre 7'0 with elite athleticism

I wouldn't call that undersized

Stanley Johnson measured 6'5" at the Combine. With shoes, that's 6'6¼". I don't know how you round, but to me, that's not 6'7".

And last time I saw Drummond was listed 6'10" , KCP at 6'5", Tolliver at 6'8" ... We are a little short at every position

That's not the main issue anyway

Why do we need to take an undersized but mon-shooting SF at 8th? Who is clearly not helping?

We need a SF, yes. But we need a SF who can space the floor, who has the size to deal with bigger SFs in the league we see nowadays. Durant, Parsons, Harris, Gay, Hayward and Gallinari? We don't draft a SF just because we need one, we also need a starting PF

Is draft the only way to pursue a SF ? No

Portis is not a question mark like Stanley Johnson, name a clear weakness in his game and it took me a while.

If we need a starting SF n a starting PF anyway, why can't we draft Portis who doesn't have a size or shooting concern but an undersized, non-shooting SF?

That's my question

[joedumars1]

he measure 6'6.5 with shoes, is that not close enough to 6'7? 6'11.5" Wingspan, 240 pounds

Demaree Caroll 6'7.75", so 6'8", Wingspan 6'10" (stanleys is 1.5 inches taller), 207 pounds

Calling Stanley undersized is crazy to me, dude is 18, has the Defense, probably can be a 3&D guy rite away.

KCP from combine did measure 6'5.5", that is 6'5", some website have it rounded up tho. Wingspan 6'8", 204 pounds, you suggested for him to play SF, don't get that if you don't want stanley there.

Dre measure 6'11.75", so 7ft, he could be 6'10" and it wouldn't matter because of his athleticism.

I haven't watched Portist, I probably won't unless we draft him, so I can't say anything about him.