Lets say the Jazz offer 12 + Burke for 8...

Catchall · Post #1 » by **Catchall** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 9:57 pm

Jazz fan here. If Detroit isn't interested in Porzingis, Johnson or whomever else is available at 8, would they consider trading down to 12 for Kaminsky, Turner, Portis or Lyles if the Jazz offered Burke and/or a future pick? The idea is that Detroit would get a developing young PG effectively replacing Augustine and a PF to help replace Monroe. Jazz maybe take back a bit of salary.

coordinator0 · Post #2 » by **coordinator0** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:04 pm

Not for Burke. He doesn't have that kind of value even if the difference between 8 and 12 isn't that big of a jump. The Pistons already have a developmental young backup point guard in DInwiddie, no need to take on another one. Especially a guy that has looked as bad as Trey has the past two years. A future pick is interesting but with the kind of protections it would likely have I doubt Detroit would end up with anything worthwhile. The best bet is to stick at 8 and see who falls.

sc8581 · Post #3 » by **sc8581** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:07 pm

How about KCP, #8 and a future pick for Hayward?

Post #4 » by **dVs33** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:08 pm

If SVG is interested in trading the 8th, the trade that would be interesting is Hood and 12 for 8, not burke.
SVG wants to re-sign Jackson and Jennings is still under contract. Burke doesn't fit.

joedumars1 · Post #5 » by **joedumars1** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:16 pm

sc8581 wrote:How about KCP, #8 and a future pick for Hayward?

To much. Possibly a Middleton/Afflalo situation. Stanley Johnson will be pretty close to Hayward IMO. A pick too, no way

Catchall · Post #6 » by **Catchall** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:20 pm

@sc: Jazz won't move Hayward. Currently, they have a hard time scoring with him off the floor. He's a core piece.

@dV: The Jazz really like Hood. It turns out he's a really good facilitator and 3-pt shooter above the break. I think they would discuss it and probably pass.....unless Hezonja is there at 8. But in that case, I think Detroit would just draft Hezonja.

The idea here is that I think the Jazz will value Porzingis and maybe Johnson more than Detroit does, and that might motivate a deal both ways. Guys like Portis, Lyles or possibly Kaminsky would be good fits with Drummond. Whereas they'd be back-ups with the Jazz. I think the Jazz would part with Burke, future 1st (though these will probably be in the teens or 20s), a 2nd-rd pick, and be willing to take salary.

Are you guys optimistic about Jennings making it back?

Catchall · Post #7 » by **Catchall** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:23 pm

@joe: In that scenario, I think the Jazz would stay at 12 and take Oubre. If Oubre isn't there, they might take Turner, Portis or Booker.

sc8581 · Post #8 » by **sc8581** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:26 pm

I know, Hayward is an all-star. Burke is awful though, we don't want or have a need for him. Hood #12 for #8 I might do though.

Catchall · Post #9 » by **Catchall** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:33 pm

If it were me personally, I would offer Hood to move up to 8, but I think that would be the point of contention with the Jazz.

coordinator0 · Post #10 » by **coordinator0** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:34 pm

Catchall wrote:The idea here is that I think the Jazz will value Porzingis and maybe Johnson more than Detroit does, and that might motivate a deal both ways. Guys like Portis, Lyles or possibly Kaminsky would be good fits with Drummond. Whereas they'd be back-ups with the Jazz. I think the Jazz would part with Burke, future 1st (though these will probably be in the teens or 20s), a 2nd-rd pick, and be willing to take salary.

Are you guys optimistic about Jennings making it back?

Detroit does need a power forward to pair with Drummond, but small forward is an even bigger priority. The Pistons need real wing talent to go with Jackson at the point and Drummond in the middle. There are a few interesting free agent options at power forward but the available small forwards are downright abysmal outside of Carroll.

I think the general consensus on Jenning is that it will be a little ways into the season before he's able to contribute and even then he probably won't be nearly as effective. Achilles injuries are pretty bad and even a full year isn't enough time to come back completely healthy (if that happens at all). It's not that big of a deal though when Jackson is more than likely going to be signed to a long-term contract.

MrBigShot · Post #11 » by **MrBigShot** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 10:48 pm

I was a big fan of Burke pre-draft. Thought he would be a top 15 PG, which is really good in an age with so many great PGs.

But as it turns it out, he's awful. Doesn't look at all like the floor general he was at Michigan. Relies too much on the jumper, defensive liability due to height, not a great finisher due to size...low efficiency scoring. Reggie Jackson on his worst day is a better PG.

tmorgan · Post #12 » by **tmorgan** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 11:16 pm

Burke is likely out of the NBA in 2 to 5 years. Small guys gotta be uber-quick to survive, and he's not. Big heart on that kid, but sometimes heart isn't enough.

He Filled it Up · Post #13 » by **He Filled it Up** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 11:26 pm

It would have to be Hood + 12 and even then I would have pause. But I'm still kinda high on Johnson and if anyone falls then it's a non-starter.

MalonesElbows · Post #14 » by **MalonesElbows** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 11:50 pm

He Filled it Up wrote:It would have to be Hood + 12 and even then I would have pause. But I'm still kinda high on Johnson and if anyone falls then it's a non-starter.

The Jazz might offer that if the player they love is still at 8.
And if the player Dumars loves is gone at 8, some sparks could happen.
The stars would have to align, but isn't that always the case.

sc8581 · Post #15 » by **sc8581** » Wed Jun 3, 2015 12:04 am

MalonesElbows wrote:
He Filled it Up wrote:It would have to be Hood + 12 and even then I would have pause. But I'm still kinda high on Johnson and if anyone falls then it's a non-starter.

The Jazz might offer that if the player they love is still at 8.
And if the player Dumars loves is gone at 8, some sparks could happen.
The stars would have to align, but isn't that always the case.

Dumars?!?!?!
I don't think Stan Van Gundy likes any of the players that much, that's why I believe he's looking to move the pick.

Blkbrd671 · Post #16 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Jun 3, 2015 12:16 am

MalonesElbows wrote:
He Filled it Up wrote:It would have to be Hood + 12 and even then I would have pause. But I'm still kinda high on Johnson and if anyone falls then it's a non-starter.

The Jazz might offer that if the player they love is still at 8.
And if the player Dumars loves is gone at 8, some sparks could happen.
The stars would have to align, but isn't that always the case.

1.) SVG is our president not Dumars
2.) i don't think Hood+12 gets it done. Detroit will trade that pick if the offer is just too good(which this isn't), or it nets Detroit a ready now player for trading down. Hood is good, but he's still young and developing, make more sense for detroit to draft a SF @8 with a extra rookie year.

kurtis48239 · Post #17 » by **kurtis48239** » Wed Jun 3, 2015 3:05 am

MrBigShot wrote:I was a big fan of Burke pre-draft. Thought he would be a top 15 PG, which is really good in an age with so many great PGs.

But as it turns it out, he's awful. Doesn't look at all like the floor general he was at Michigan. Relies too much on the jumper, defensive liability due to height, not a great finisher due to size...low efficiency scoring. Reggie Jackson on his worst day is a better PG.

I was right there with you MBS and wouldnt do that deal either,but I will give burke some more time,maybe a coaching change is in order,not here,but somewhere,maybe the bucks,and lets see what kid could do for him.I think the bucks would be a good team for him with the shooters and defenders they have,he would only be asked to pass and hit shots.

Catchall · Post #18 » by **Catchall** » Wed Jun 3, 2015 4:06 am

I think Burke is eventually going to end up like Augustin, a serviceable back-up with some offense.

Montanabadboy · Post #19 » by **Montanabadboy** » Wed Jun 3, 2015 4:15 am

I would do Hood + 12 for #8. Heck yeah. We get a sharp shooting SF with the potential to add one of Kaminsky, Lyle's or Portis! Absolutely I would do that.

Blkbrd671 · Post #20 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Jun 3, 2015 4:43 am

Montanabadboy wrote:I would do Hood + 12 for #8. Heck yeah. We get a sharp shooting SF with the potential to add one of Kaminsky, Lyle's or Portis! Absolutely I would do that.

rodney hood is a sophmore , and shows promise. lets not act like he's a sure thing to move down 4 spots. Detroit would need more to that deal to give up drafting top 10