Pistons Eye Danny Green, Other Wing Players

Han Solo · Post #1 » by **Han Solo** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:40 am

The Pistons will make DeMarre Carroll and Danny Green higher priorities in free agency this summer than fellow target Tobias Harris, as Carroll and Green, both unrestricted free agents, are likely easier to sign than Harris, a restricted free agent, would be, according to Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press (Twitter links). Sean Deveney of The Sporting News first reported Detroit’s interest in Carroll, while Shams Charania of RealGM today identified the Pistons as a leading contender for Harris. The small forward spot, which both Carroll and Green could fill, appears to be a focus for Detroit, even after it drafted Stanley Johnson eighth overall in Thursday’s draft.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/06/pistons-other-players.html

Post #2 » by **Snakebites** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:54 am

Han Solo wrote:The Pistons will make DeMarre Carroll and Danny Green higher priorities in free agency this summer than fellow target Tobias Harris, as Carroll and Green, both unrestricted free agents, are likely easier to sign than Harris, a restricted free agent, would be, according to Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press (Twitter links). Sean Deveney of The Sporting News first reported Detroit’s interest in Carroll, while Shams Charania of RealGM today identified the Pistons as a leading contender for Harris. The small forward spot, which both Carroll and Green could fill, appears to be a focus for Detroit, even after it drafted Stanley Johnson eighth overall in Thursday’s draft.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/06/pistons-other-players.html

That's just a regurgitation of the same report we saw to that effect from Vince Ellis.

I hope he's wrong. If that's true, its a misstep by SVG.

Blkbrd671 · Post #3 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:30 pm

These guys are strictly guessing I think they go hard after green first. He'd thrive in this system

Detroit vs Everybody

Kilo · Post #4 » by **Kilo** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:37 pm

Not too many teams have max money to throw around, and teams that do will be big game hunting - LA, NYK, Boston, Dallas will all go after the big names first. When Stan says he will go after the UFA's first, I think he wants a Meeks situation where he makes them his offer and they take it or leave it right then and there. If they want to look elsewhere, we move on as well but with the understanding that our offer is still valid but with conditions that we could make a signing in the interim that would obviously pull it.

princeofpalace · Post #5 » by **princeofpalace** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:38 pm

We'll strike out on Caroll
Then we'll strike out on Green
Then we'll strike out on Harris

Who is the other RFA? Obviously Middleton will be matched, so could it possibly be Jae Crowder?

aad · Post #6 » by **aad** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:05 pm

I think we get one of green or carroll because the spurs dont have the money to sign green after they resign their own players and LMA and atlanta dont have carroll bird rights

Dallas want to sign green but they going to go hard after D jordan and LMA

ImHeisenberg · Post #7 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:11 pm

princeofpalace wrote:We'll strike out on Caroll
Then we'll strike out on Green
Then we'll strike out on Harris

Who is the other RFA? Obviously Middleton will be matched, so could it possibly be Jae Crowder?

Why is it so certain that we'll strike out across the board? SVG seems to have been doing a good job of getting the players he wants. I honestly didn't believe we could have gotten Reggie Jackson last season. He got Ilyasova for a song. All while not giving up any significant future assets.

Carroll and Green aren't hot commodities. They should be attainable, it will be more a question of salaries.

We may strike out on all 3 players. But, I wouldn't play the doom and gloom card and automatically assume we can't attract them. We had multiple players in the draft vocally stating they want to play for Detroit- it's been a long time since that's happened. This team is improving their profile to players. We're already seeing that.

DBC10 · Post #8 » by **DBC10** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:23 pm

None of them appeal to me except Tobias with this young core going forward.

whitehops · Post #9 » by **whitehops** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:46 pm

DBC10 wrote:None of them appeal to me except Tobias with this young core going forward.

Green and Carroll are 28 and 29, respectively, and are both consummate, hard-working veterans. Young teams need veterans too. While Harris is younger, he has been playing relatively unstructured basketball for his career on a lottery team in Orlando is likely a worse fit, being a worse defender and 3-point shooter than the other two.

He is also a lot less durable. When you add all those things together you have to ask why WE (not the general market) would pay more for Harris when we arguably had two better fits that could be had for cheaper?

The_Irony · Post #10 » by **The_Irony** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:15 pm

Tobias has to be your priority

Everything should begin and end with Tobias at 14/15 mill at 12:01am

ADflight1 · Post #11 » by **ADflight1** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:19 pm

Carroll and Green are much better fits for our team and will come cheaper. Green is a sniper and is an underrated defender. Carroll isn't as good shooting the ball, but he can create his own better and is a quality defender too. I'd take either over Harris.

MrBigShot · Post #12 » by **MrBigShot** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:21 pm

Because Harris is every bit as talented as either on of them, while also being 22 years old and still an unfinished product. He's improved since coming into the league and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't continue to improve playing under SVG.

DeMarre and Green are undeniably talented, but they are what they are at this point. Guys who defend and stretch the floor at a very high level. Harris' game is more varied and he's got more upside. Veterans don't necessarily have to be guys playing a major role on a team..we can sign bench vets who will still be a great locker room presence, like Caron last season.

I understand the issue with tieing up cap to an RFA, but imo if we are going the UFA-first route we should go after DeMarre Carroll first, then Tobias Harris, and then Danny Green. Carroll elevated his game in the playoffs to a level we've never seen from Green: 15/6/2 shooting 49/40/78.

whitehops · Post #13 » by **whitehops** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:31 pm

MrBigShot wrote:Carroll elevated his game in the playoffs to a level we've never seen from Green: 15/6/2 shooting 49/40/78.

while carroll was playing great towards the end of the year and through the playoffs, danny green in the 2013 nba finals was phenomenal. he hit 27 3's in 7 games (3.9 a game) at 55% from downtown, on top of playing great D. just saying, they've both had their stellar performances.

Kilo · Post #14 » by **Kilo** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:44 pm

I've decided I'm against signing either Green or Carroll. Both are journeymen who made themselves into effective role players. Key word being "role player". You don't pay role players $10M+ on four year deals. I'd rather go out and find our own Danny Green, who was cut by Cleveland early in his career, or the next DeMarre Carroll. Notice both excelled on great teams, both in the Popvich coaching scheme/style.

Scour the D-League for a guy who could be a 3&D guy, scour the non-rotation portion of benches across the league. Look around Europe for once busted American prospects who might have found their stroke over there, but still have the athleticism to guard in the NBA (sorry Datome). You can get these type of "finds" for league minimum - you don't pay them $40M over four years. Isn't this already what we're supposed to have in Meeks? He was 18 over three and most across the league thought that was too much.

Exit 9 · Post #15 » by **Exit 9** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:59 pm

I agree. I have no reason to believe a Sonny Weems (who's looking to return to the NBA) couldn't give us the same contributions as DG or DC could. It wouldn't be the end of the world for me, but I swear I'd be pissed for a minute if we neglect Bizzle for those two. I'm just not sold they're what we need for this current phase of our team.

A part of it could be bias (no pun intended) on my part though seeing how Harris is damn there my fav player in the L right now. Been a huge fan and it would bring a tear to my eye to get a favorite player of mine on the damn Pistons before he even enters his prime. Make it happen, Stan. Do what's right.

Post #16 » by **Snakebites** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:16 pm

I think we really could regret not taking the risk on Harris, if indeed that's really what SVG intends to do. The more I think about it the more I hope this report is wrong.

Mind you, there's also the probability (likeyhood?) that unrestricted free agency will play itself out before restricted. Hopefully if we strike out on Carroll and/or Green, there will still be a chance we can try for Harris.

Joe Berry · Post #17 » by **Joe Berry** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:51 pm

The questions is it worth it losing out on Danny Green and Carroll if we go after Harris first and Orlando matches? The wing player market after that is pretty bleak. We are talking about Mike Dunleavy, Gerald Green, Corey Brewer, Kyle Singler. (no chance at Leonard, Butler or Middleton)

As much as i want to add a talented young guy like Harris to this roster. If you can get Carroll, do it. This team lacks an on the court leader really, really bad and Carroll can provide just that, plus he's a good fit in SVG system and in particular in this starting lineup i believe. Now Danny Green i don't know because in my mind he is a pure SG and SG only.

Neptune · Post #18 » by **Neptune** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:00 pm

Man you're dreaming if you think Pistons have any chance at signing Green or Carroll. Both of those players are already on veteran teams with playoff aspirations. Its just not happening.

I can see Harris signing with the Pistons, but we're going to have to seriously overpay or a sign & trade might happen.

Post #19 » by **Snakebites** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:05 pm

We really need to hope that the marginal improvement that took place in the last two thirds of the year hasn't gone unnoticed.

The best this team could do last season was Jodie Meeks at 3 years and 18 million. The expectations from this board (myself included) appear to be quite a bit higher than that. There are going to be an awful lot of disappointed people here if the attitude towards Detroit hasn't changed, which after a 32 win season, it may very well not have.

Kilo · Post #20 » by **Kilo** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:12 pm

I think we have a chance at Danny Green because he has his ring(s?) and likely wants to get paid. What legit contenders have money to spend and would spend it on a 3&D guy?

I do think perceptions would have changed (pretty significantly even) about our team - in large part because Josh Smith was paid a lot of money to go away. Teams see that Gores isn't messing around anymore. Also Tellem was brought into the org - he has a TON of connections around the league in literally every lockerroom. Also I think players will see the moves Stan and Bowers pulled off - Tolliver for nothing, Jackson for little, Ilyasova for for two TO contracts we were going to let walk. There is a semblence of a foundation here now.

Was Meeks the best we could do in that we know for a fact that Stan swung on missed on better targets and settled for Jodie? The official story was that the Pistons identified and targeted Jodie as their guy and he was their first call/offer IIRC.