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Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9

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Would you have made this deal for #8?

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Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#1 » by Laimbeer » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:51 pm

The Boston Celtics offered four first-round picks to the Charlotte Hornets for the chance to move up from No. 16 to No. 9. The Celtics were targeting Justise Winslow while the Hornets were settled on taking Frank Kaminsky.

The Celtics offered the 16th pick, No. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Atlanta Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Memphis Grizzlies or Minnesota Timberwolves.


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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#2 » by ImHeisenberg » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:02 pm

draft picks don't win games.

They weren't offering lottery picks, just mid- to late-first round picks. No thanks, I'll take Stanimal and bid you good day.
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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#3 » by tmorgan » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:15 pm

Knowing what I know now (and being emotionally committed to Stanimal), I wouldn't.

At the time, hell yes. 15, 16, a BKN first (likely good), and another? For 8? Hell yeah I would. I assume it was offered to SVG and Bowers and they turned it down because of how much they liked Johnson. Good on them.
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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#4 » by kurtis48239 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:41 pm

I was to high on johnson, dont know what stan and com would of done.After hearing how high they were on johnson and looking at what was left at 15-16, I doubt they take the trade.

Iam suprised the hornets didnt tho.
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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#5 » by The Penguin » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:51 pm

Just because we move down doesn't rule out Johnson.

The Celtics would have gone with Winslow at #8
The Hornets were dialed in on Frank at #9.

That puts Miami on the clock. They really wanted to dump Chalmers/Birdman and have settled for dumping Napier/Zoran Dragic lately. It's possible Miami isn't as high on Johnson as they were Winslow and would be willing to move #10 for #15/salary relief/future draft picks.
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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#6 » by princeofpalace » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:56 pm

Without hesitation, I wouldve accepted the deal at 15 & 16 we couldve landed 2 of SF Oubre, SF Dekker, PF Portis, SG Vaughan + been in position to land a top 10 pick- Brooklyn is going to be horrible and still got a late first.
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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#7 » by MrBigShot » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:58 pm

Talent trumps everything when it comes to the draft. If you can get a high quality starter who could be on your team for 7+ years you take that over multiple mid to late 1sts.

If we had picks 15 and 16 I bet SVG would've taken Dekker with one of them and someone unlikely to ever become a starter on our team with the other. No thanks. Oubre was still available but considering how highly SVG values high character guys with tremendous work ethics, I don't think we would've taken him.

I think the fact that us, Charlotte AND Miami didn't accept a trade with Boston (Ainge wanted Winslow, he was available at all 3 spots) is very telling.
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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#8 » by mattao313 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:05 pm

Isn't the 15-16 draft consider being weak? Plus why does everyone think the Net will be horrible they made the PO last year and have the same team.
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Post#9 » by Billl » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:33 pm

Anyone know the protection on those Nets and T-wolves picks? I wouldn't trade down for 15+16, but if you start tossing around unprotected picks from disaster franchises, you have to do it.
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Post#10 » by whitehops » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:46 pm

i said this around the time of the draft, but if it was the NFL i would do that in a heartbeat. However, this is the nba and one player can make a huge difference. if you think you've got a difference-maker, why give that up for some chances at a difference-maker?
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Post#11 » by Scottgaf » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:40 pm

Not only do I agree with the above post, but I think you have to look at our potential loss by deferring our upswing. What happens if we aren't competitive when Drummond is a FA? We start the rebuilding phase all over again. We need impact players now, to show what we are building.

Our recent trades have helped our depth, and could possible get us to the playoffs this year. That is a great way to sell what we are building. We can't afford to keep developing guys to lose them for nothing (Monroe.)
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Post#12 » by BIG BEN'S FRO » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:00 pm

I am sure I will be in the minority, but I would have taken the deal. We could have drafted Justin Anderson, and had a ton of flexibility. Considered trading up, trading for later years. And the chance at another top 10 down the line? Could possibly be two top 10 picks next year. Boy do I hope I am wrong.
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Post#13 » by Laimbeer » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:30 pm

Billl wrote:Anyone know the protection on those Nets and T-wolves picks? I wouldn't trade down for 15+16, but if you start tossing around unprotected picks from disaster franchises, you have to do it.



1) #15 2015 (via Atlanta in a prearranged deal)

2) #16 2015

3) 201? Brooklyn unprotected first (year not specified)

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Post#14 » by coordinator0 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:52 pm

Now that there's a little more clarity to the package Boston was offering it's an interesting question. Adding the 15th pick in the 2015 draft is significant. With that and the 16th pick I'm guessing Detroit would have ended up with Dekker and Portis based on the rumors that were going around. Not a particularly inspiring package but not a bad one either.

Whether the Brooklyn pick was for 2016 or 2018 is a big deal. They're not looking like a very good team right now so it could have a good chance at being fairly high in the 2016 draft, although that class doesn't look very good at all right now. If it was for 2018 then that's pretty far in the future to be projecting what their team will look like or how good of a prospective draft class that will end up being.

I think the the 2018 Memphis pick is better than Minnesota's since the latter will most likely end up being two second round picks and those aren't great assets. Overall I probably would have wanted Detroit to accept that trade. The argument of quality vs. quantity is legit and one I agree with but Johnson nor Winslow were guys I had (or have) ranked high enough for that to come into play.
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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#15 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:45 pm

The Penguin wrote:Just because we move down doesn't rule out Johnson.

The Celtics would have gone with Winslow at #8
The Hornets were dialed in on Frank at #9.

That puts Miami on the clock. They really wanted to dump Chalmers/Birdman and have settled for dumping Napier/Zoran Dragic lately. It's possible Miami isn't as high on Johnson as they were Winslow and would be willing to move #10 for #15/salary relief/future draft picks.


Per SVG, the pistons continued to receive calls before they drafted ,after they drafted , and even while they were doing the presser for SJ. If Miami didn't take him, someone would have.
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Post#16 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:46 pm

MrBigShot wrote:Talent trumps everything when it comes to the draft. If you can get a high quality starter who could be on your team for 7+ years you take that over multiple mid to late 1sts.


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If we had picks 15 and 16 I bet SVG would've taken Dekker with one of them and someone unlikely to ever become a starter on our team with the other. No thanks. Oubre was still available but considering how highly SVG values high character guys with tremendous work ethics, I don't think we would've taken him.

I think the fact that us, Charlotte AND Miami didn't accept a trade with Boston (Ainge wanted Winslow, he was available at all 3 spots) is very telling.


Great point, we weren't the only team that said no which would indicate the "Tier's" for talent were pretty clear. I wouldn't have hated the trade, but would have been livid if we did and then saw SJ's performance in SL.
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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#17 » by Blkbrd671 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:52 pm

BIG BEN'S FRO wrote:I am sure I will be in the minority, but I would have taken the deal. We could have drafted Justin Anderson, and had a ton of flexibility. Considered trading up, trading for later years. And the chance at another top 10 down the line? Could possibly be two top 10 picks next year. Boy do I hope I am wrong.


SVG i believe also said this, but you really can only have so many "drafted" players on your team. Look at Minny. SVG was looking to add to the core, i don't think the chances of that happening were as good at 15+16. I said this earlier but i wouldn't have hated the trade, but its clear that there was a huge drop off in tier's in many teams eyes. Justin anderson looks more like a SG that can play SF. i think it would have been Dekker and Portis.
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Post#18 » by Todd3 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:08 am

BIG BEN'S FRO wrote:I am sure I will be in the minority, but I would have taken the deal. We could have drafted Justin Anderson, and had a ton of flexibility. Considered trading up, trading for later years. And the chance at another top 10 down the line? Could possibly be two top 10 picks next year. Boy do I hope I am wrong.


yeah we could have used all those picks to maybe trade up next year and maybe get a player as good as Johnson. Or we could just have Johnson right now guaranteed and let Ainge deal with trying to offload that pu pu platter of mediocre picks on someone else. :D
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Re: Celtics Offered Four First Rounders To Hornets For No. 9 

Post#19 » by Warspite » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:22 am

If we didn't need to draft a starter I would have done it. If I knew that I had a FA SF that was coming in a week then yes I ake those picks and use thm to build a great young bench. If Miami was interested in trading down instad of SJ then I would have traded back up and got him.
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Post#20 » by MotownMadness » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:54 am

I'm just going to not worry about and put full trust in Stan. The man knows basketball and basically just laughs in the faces of those who question him.

Like he said when everyone was crying and acting like the world ended when we took Johnson over Winslow "You guys watch the tournament and get caught up while I scout and work with these guys"

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