Morris to Start... SJ off the Bench

mercury · Post #1 » by **mercury** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:24 pm

Good or bad?
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/10/21/stanley-johnson-detroit-pistons/74334968/

fekz · Post #2 » by **fekz** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:26 pm

Good. Look the rook earn the spot over the veteran. He won't be coming off the bench for long. SJ will trust stan, he's a worker.

MotownMadness · Post #3 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:27 pm

It's fine, he's still going to get a lot of minutes cause of his defense and versatility to play multiple positions. Plus if we want playoffs it is best to play the more experienced players until SJ gets comfortable.

hoophabit · Post #4 » by **hoophabit** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:38 pm

Ditto, SVG said they'll all play similar minutes in general. With the current team SJ's best role might be off the bench.

Pistone · Post #5 » by **Pistone** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:42 pm

very good

Billl · Post #6 » by **Billl** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:52 pm

Understandable, but not "good". After a red hot start, SJ has been pretty average the last 3 games. He's looking a lot more like a rookie than he did on opening night. It's good that SVG is going to make him earn minutes with his on-court play, but I think we would have all preferred that SJ had continued to tear it up.

Post #7 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:01 pm

Its completely understandable, Johnson looked better off the bench.

I just wish there was a better option. Our starting forward combo won't be able to guard a pair of grandmas.

BadMofoPimp · Post #8 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:31 pm

Stanley will be backing up both SF and SG postions, so he will get his 25-30mpg regardless. No worries. I even expect Morris to slide over to PF for 5-10mpg as well to see them play together all depending on matchups.

coordinator0 · Post #9 » by **coordinator0** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:11 pm

Snakebites wrote:Its completely understandable, Johnson looked better off the bench.

I just wish there was a better option. Our starting forward combo won't be able to guard a pair of grandmas.

Yep. I don't think Johnson will be with the second unit for long, assuming he's playing at a decent level at least. Van Gundy stresses defense too much for him to suffer the Morris-Ilyasova combination for long.

ImHeisenberg · Post #10 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:44 pm

Makes perfect sense. Johnson can run the second unit until Jennings proves he's capable to run it.

Todd3 · Post #11 » by **Todd3** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:16 pm

Remember Drummond didn't start til the end of his rookie year either.

joedumars1 · Post #12 » by **joedumars1** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:30 pm

Todd3 wrote:Remember Drummond didn't start til the end of his rookie year either.

That was a terrible call too. Should've started him with Moose. Moose might of tried to develop a mid-range shot starting that year. We were also a terrible team, he should've started. I'm not expecting us to be terrible this year, so SJ coming off the bench isn't as bad as when Dre was, but if he is doing good sooner than later, then he might just have to start.

detroitKG · Post #13 » by **detroitKG** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:39 pm

I can live with it seeing how bad Dinwiddie has been, so that 2nd unit really needs another ballhandler..Outside that not really a fan of starting Morris at the 3 and Ersan at the 4. Much rather have SJ at the 3 and Morris at the 4. Eventually I believe that will be the best starting 5.

zeebneeb · Post #14 » by **zeebneeb** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:54 pm

detroitKG wrote:I can live with it seeing how bad Dinwiddie has been, so that 2nd unit really needs another ballhandler..Outside that not really a fan of starting Morris at the 3 and Ersan at the 4. Much rather have SJ at the 3 and Morris at the 4. Eventually I believe that will be the best starting 5.

I absolutely agree with this. Stanley is ready to play, and Morris can create his own offense, and stanley can drive and dish. Erson is tailor made for this team, off the bench. The problem is, is that unless Blake or Jennings is ready, we need to have stanley on that second unit or else it bigs down into Dinwiddie dribbling for 15 seconds.

A bench unit of jennings, Meeks, bullock, erson, and baynes just looks so damn good.

Post #15 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:02 pm

I think it is good for one reason - the trade with Phoenix looks even better now. Wasn't sure what we had in Morris. I'm sure SJ will bust his a$$ and get minutes as well, so not too worried about him.

Brapman · Post #16 » by **Brapman** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:18 pm

Good point about Jennings returning. When he does, we don't have as much a need for a guy like SJ on the second unit. Jennings, when right, is as ball dominant as Jackson and at least as good of a shooter.

DetroitPistons · Post #17 » by **DetroitPistons** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:20 pm

I'm actually reluctantly fine with this despite being a big believer in throwing nba ready rookies into the fire. SJ will have more opportunities with the second unit, especially with Jennings down, and Morris has show enough to win the job. However, I hope that SJ lights it up early and when Jennings comes back we can slide Morris to the bench and SJ to the starting lineup.

I also still really want Ily starting over Morris too. Ily is a better system player who does a lot of dirty work and hustle plays (ex. he is good at taking charges which will help our interior defense), which is something we need in the starting lineup (KCP being the only other big hustle guy). I don't Morris really adds anything extra defensively either due to him not really having a big man skill set, as opposed to Ily who has been a PF his whole career. Morris has been good, don't get me wrong, but he is a bit of a black hole. He isos a ton and stops the ball which I don't think is good for our starting lineup. The ball should be dominated by Jackson primarily. Morris would be a great go-to scorer off the bench though, something we are lacking. I think that should be his role until SJ inevitably takes his job and for the future as well. Jennings and Morris should be enough go-to fire power to keep our bench competitive offensively. I think people are bailing on Ily too early. He is a vet and will figure it out. Give him time.

Todd3 · Post #18 » by **Todd3** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:30 pm

joedumars1 wrote:
Todd3 wrote:Remember Drummond didn't start til the end of his rookie year either.

That was a terrible call too. Should've started him with Moose. Moose might of tried to develop a mid-range shot starting that year. We were also a terrible team, he should've started. I'm not expecting us to be terrible this year, so SJ coming off the bench isn't as bad as when Dre was, but if he is doing good sooner than later, then he might just have to start.

Agree Dre should've started over Maxiell, just saying he still developed alright so it shouldn't affect SJ. Also its different now because he has a legit SF in front of him making it more understandable as opposed to a Maxiell type guy

DBC10 · Post #19 » by **DBC10** » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:37 pm

joedumars1 wrote:
Todd3 wrote:Remember Drummond didn't start til the end of his rookie year either.

That was a terrible call too. Should've started him with Moose. Moose might of tried to develop a mid-range shot starting that year. We were also a terrible team, he should've started. I'm not expecting us to be terrible this year, so SJ coming off the bench isn't as bad as when Dre was, but if he is doing good sooner than later, then he might just have to start.

Seriously. In those 3 years, had Monroe actually worked on his midrange for that PF spot for Dre, we would be in an ok spot, and maybe, just maybe wouldn't have signed Josh "worst Piston of all time" Smith.

But we also lost Middleton for nothing, so I don't want to think about the past again.

Maker_84 · Post #20 » by **Maker_84** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:25 am

i want Stanley to be the backup shooting guard. He's too small to be a 3 in this league, his repetoire is much better for the 2 spot