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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/11/9/9698288/detroit-pistons-surging-andre-drummond-stan-van-gundy-reggie-jackson

The Reggie Jackson/Andre Drummond combination has been deadly for the Pistons, yet not in the way a traditional pick-and-roll tandem usually is.

One would think it works because Jackson and Drummond have great two-man chemistry, but that hasn't really been the case this year. Jackson's assist percentage, which was among the highest in the NBA after he came to Detroit last February, has dropped to a level more in line with his career norms. Drummond, meanwhile, has caught and finished a pick-and-roll only 13 times this season, per Synergy Sports data. That's the same number as nondescript Pacers big man Jordan Hill. In fact, Jackson has only assisted Drummond in a pick and roll between the two of them four times all season, even though that two-man action is the very foundation of Detroit's offense.

How can a pick and roll combination succeed with such an infrequent connection? Because of everything else it sets up.

Stumbled across this brillant SBnation article outlining exactly why our offense runs so well out of the Jackson/Drummond PnR and how it opens things up for everyone else (once they start hitting their shots).

It also shows how little Drummonds offense is manufactured by his PG. He really has developed his post moves and how his rebounding is aiding his scoring. Which I don't think will change much moving forward.

Is this a recipe for success long term? Will teams exploit it in the playoffs?

Reggie gets the freedom to throw up whatever he wants at the rim because he know Dre gonna clean it up.

jackson use drummond to get to the rim. no alley opps no dish whatsoever. will bynum and drummond was great together. it is disappointing.

pistontr wrote:jackson use drummond to get to the rim. no alley opps no dish whatsoever. will bynum and drummond was great together. it is disappointing.

LMAO! It's disappointing? Did you even read the article? Seen the standings?

Pharaoh wrote:

pistontr wrote:jackson use drummond to get to the rim. no alley opps no dish whatsoever. will bynum and drummond was great together. it is disappointing.

LMAO! It's disappointing? Did you even read the article? Seen the standings?

I wasn't even going to try to respond to that.

Pharaoh wrote:

pistontr wrote:jackson use drummond to get to the rim. no alley opps no dish whatsoever. will bynum and drummond was great together. it is disappointing.

LMAO! It's disappointing? Did you even read the article? Seen the standings?

article says what I say. he use drummond to get to the rim. I know it. but how many drummond point did you see assisted by jackson. almost all the drummond points are post ups and putbacks. don't you remember how bynum use the drummond?

I read the threat of the Jackson/Drummond PnR opens things up for everyone else. Does it create an open lane for RJ to drive? Yes. But it also opens shots for Illy, Morris, and KC3 on the perimeter. Teams are so afraid of the threat of Drummond bringing down the house with his thunderous dunks that they crowd him and leave everything else available.

This is not disappointing at all.

Redeemed wrote:I read the threat of the Jackson/Drummond PnR opens things up for everyone else. Does it create an open lane for RJ to drive? Yes. But it also opens shots for Illy, Morris, and KC3 on the perimeter. Teams are so afraid of the threat of Drummond bringing down the house with his thunderous dunks that they crowd him and leave everything else available.

This is not disappointing at all.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/team/pullup/?sort=CATCH_SHOOT_PTS&dir=1

we are last in catch and shoot.

so this absurd pick and rolls creats shoot for nobody. only jackson benefits from it.

pistontr wrote:jackson use drummond to get to the rim. no alley opps no dish whatsoever. will bynum and drummond was great together. it is disappointing.

Maker_84 is the Many-Faced God of trolling

pistontr wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:

pistontr wrote:jackson use drummond to get to the rim. no alley opps no dish whatsoever. will bynum and drummond was great together. it is disappointing.

LMAO! It's disappointing? Did you even read the article? Seen the standings?

article says what I say. he use drummond to get to the rim. I know it. but how many drummond point did you see assisted by jackson. almost all the drummond points are post ups and putbacks. don't you remember how bynum use the drummond?

Teams have finally game planned for that. Drummond said so himself the other day. It's not as easy for him to get the space for the oop as it was when he was a rookie with Will Bynum.

MotownMadness wrote:

pistontr wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:
LMAO! It's disappointing? Did you even read the article? Seen the standings?

article says what I say. he use drummond to get to the rim. I know it. but how many drummond point did you see assisted by jackson. almost all the drummond points are post ups and putbacks. don't you remember how bynum use the drummond?

Teams have finally game planned for that. Drummond said so himself the other day. It's not as easy for him to get the space for the oop as it was when he was a rookie with Will Bynum.

Exactly thus the P&R 2.0 take what's given, until they start giving something else. I don't care if Reggie scores 60 as long as our defense is as great as its been and we get the W.

MotownMadness wrote:

pistontr wrote:

Pharaoh wrote:
LMAO! It's disappointing? Did you even read the article? Seen the standings?

article says what I say. he use drummond to get to the rim. I know it. but how many drummond point did you see assisted by jackson. almost all the drummond points are post ups and putbacks. don't you remember how bynum use the drummond?

Teams have finally game planned for that. Drummond said so himself the other day. It's not as easy for him to get the space for the oop as it was when he was a rookie with Will Bynum.

This. Jackson connected a lot more than Jennings. I don't know the stat but I know this for sure. This year teams are looking for it. The reason the PnR is working so well is because Jackson is finishing his drives. It's very impressive actually but it's easy when Drummond sets you those screens and they don't play help defense on you thinking Drummond will get the offensive rebound which he will 99% of the time. Sooner or later teams will start double teaming Drummond the way Golden State did and he'll have to learn to pass the ball out to the shooters. The same goes to Jackson. That's when more options will open up offensively. This is good news. Drummond is THAT good.

pistontr wrote:
article says what I say. he use drummond to get to the rim. I know it. but how many drummond point did you see assisted by jackson. almost all the drummond points are post ups and putbacks. don't you remember how bynum use the drummond?

Reading comprehension apparently isn't what it use to be.


If you actually read the article, it explains why RJ and Dre don't connect very often. Dre's man is staying home on Dre, yet your advocating for RJ to waive off the open layup and throw the oop to a covered Dre.

MAKES NO SENSE.

Also Will Bynum was effective until there was enough film on our team that teams began effectively clogging the lane, forcing the ball to the outside in which smith, singler, stuckey, and all our other sh* players would chuck bricks up.

fekz wrote:

Maker_84 is the Many-Faced God of trolling

RJ drives to rim but he has tunnel vision. he has rarely set for drummond or shooters. he finishes well right now but offensive efficiency is terrible. there are reasons we have only 16. 4 assists (last in the leauge) and only shoots %42.8.

pistontr wrote:RJ drives to rim but he has tunnel vision. he has rarely set for drummond or shooters. he finishes well right now but offensive efficiency is terrible. there are reasons we have only 16. 4 assists (last in the leauge) and only shoots %42.8.

Yet SVG has yet to pull him for it, furthermore our piston players have yet to comment on it. IE that's the game plan. If you can't understand how our offense works, when there's a article detailing it. its not RJ's fault. Read the damn article as your asking/ making arguments that have already been explained.

Blkbrd671 wrote:

pistontr wrote:RJ drives to rim but he has tunnel vision. he has rarely set for drummond or shooters. he finishes well right now but offensive efficiency is terrible. there are reasons we have only 16. 4 assists (last in the leauge) and only shoots %42.8.

Yet SVG has yet to pull him for it, furthermore our piston players have yet to comment on it. IE that's the game plan. If you can't understand how our offense works, when there's a article detailing it. its not RJ's fault. Read the damn article as your asking/ making arguments that have already been explained.

our offense doesn't work and it is RJ's fault. we have won because of defense.

Eh, I kinda agree that we're probably missing a few lob opportunities when Reggie get's in the paint. You don't get much higher percentage shots than throwing it up to Dre at the rim.

That said I'm not freaking out over it. It took Reggie a while to find his groove last season and this was his first full training camp under SVG with a completely different roster makeup. If 6 weeks from now we're still seeing the same thing then I'll be slightly more perturbed, but I expect Reggie to up his assist numbers as our chemistry improves and we get more practice time in.

pistontr wrote:
our offense doesn't work and it is RJ's fault. we have won because of defense.

yet we scored more than 100 points in 4 of our last 7 and are 5-2. You can hold a team to 50 points, but if you score 49 you don't win. Our offense, as explained in the article, is developing and this duo is the main reason for it. Looking at a assist stat, and saying, "it doesn't work" is elementary 7 games into a season with a huge roster TO.

Cowology wrote:Eh, I kinda agree that we're probably missing a few lob opportunities when Reggie get's in the paint. You don't get much higher percentage shots than throwing it up to Dre at the rim.

That said I'm not freaking out over it. It took Reggie a while to find his groove last season and this was his first full training camp under SVG with a completely different roster makeup. If 6 weeks from now we're still seeing the same thing then I'll be slightly more perturbed, but I expect Reggie to up his assist numbers as our chemistry improves and we get more practice time in.

well considering Dre and RJ had phenomenal chemistry in 27 games last season, i am quite surprised that they haven't been connecting as often. But when you watch teams, they literally defend Dre above all cost as RJ making a layup is less of a threat than Dre put back. RJ needs to force teams to respect him, which i think he's slowly doing. We'd just like to see it more consistently rather than a quarter or 2 a game.

I haven't done extensive film review, but i have done some. It seems teams aren't giving RJ any option other than go to the rim or floater. They tend to be willing to give the lane, and cover the shooters and DRe limiting RJ's options. If you notice once RJ starts scoring, everything begins to open up for our other players, as teams start getting stuck between checking RJ and covering their man.

Also if you watch the games, our players on the perimeter get stuck watching the ball which is a product of RJ's high usage but also not a excuse not to fill the lane or get into a passing lane. There are 2 many times a game, RJ gets a TO, simply because his teammate remained stationary next to his defender rather than seeing the back door cut or moving a foot or two over to generate a open shot. Its real simple things that familiarity will fix as season progresses.