Pistons are the worst shooting team in the NBA

[Joe Berry]

- rank 25 FG%: 41.8 %
- rank 30 3pt%: 29 %
- rank 30 FT%: 67 %
- rank 30 PPS(points per shot): 1.11

Morris 3pt% :24%
Tolliver 3pt%: 29%
Stanley 3pt%: 21 %
Reggie 3pt%: 31 %
(all of them take three to four 3point shots per game)

Only KCP is shooting a decent percentage, Ilyasova is shooting well. Dinwiddie (40% FG- 15% 3pt) and Blake (29 FG% - 23% 3pt) are beyond horrible.

Its just 14 games but its very hard to win basketball games when they shoot that terrible.

[pistontr]

and one of the worst passing and blocking team

[princeofpalace]

Morris has had more success playing from the bench. His shooting percentages are pretty much where they were when he was starting at SF for the Suns, he started to find his shooting grove going against bench caliber players. I think SVG should shakeup the SL and bring Morris off the bench to see if that helps spark our shooting

[pistontr]

- rank 25 FG%: 41.8 %
- rank 30 3pt%: 29 %
- rank 30 FT%: 67 %
- rank 30 PPS(points per shot): 1.11

Morris 3pt% :24%
Tolliver 3pt%: 29%
Stanley 3pt%: 21 %
Reggie 3pt%: 31 %
(all of them take three to four 3point shots per game)

Only KCP is shooting a decent percentage, Ilyasova is shooting well. Dinwiddie (40% FG- 15% 3pt) and Blake (29 FG% - 23% 3pt) are beyond horrible.

Its just 14 games but its very hard to win basketball games when they shoot that terrible.

it is point guard's fault.

[Billl]

Poor shooting percentages are the result of bad ball movement. There are only a handful of guys in the league that can just rise up and knock down 3's and none of them play for the pistons. Everyone else needs some space and a clean look. We're dead last in assists and our ball movement is non-existent.

[coordinator0]

And when the ball is moved around there's a lot of dumb and/or useless passes. On the other hand even with the Pistons starting out this bad offensively and with a tough schedule they're still 7-7. It can only get better from here (well, hopefully).

[Spider156]

Ball movement can only do so much if you can't make open shots. No really. These are NBA players we're talking about. They're missing open shots! That's pathetic. I don't blame this on Jackson. This is SVG's fault. He needs to change the lineup ASAP. Bench Morris or Ilyasova and start Johnson. I'm still waiting for that lineup to show up before the game starts. Johnson has proved he can play efficient minutes and can defend. Start him!

[El Chivo]

we play too sloppy. we can't execute half-court? run, increase the pace.

[Arp590]

Hmmm if we only had someone that could shoot 3s better.
Wait what? Ersan Ilyasova is shooting 43% on 3 pointers this season?

Please bench Tolliver forever, and split his minutes between Ersan/Stanley..
Tolliver is shooting 28% FG on the season, he's a stretch 4 that doesn't make shots and isn't a threat to drive the ball... He's just a guy that the opposing defense can easily help off of.. making it harder for everyone else... and we wonder why our team/bench can't score?? This dude is averaging 20 minutes per game and providing close to nothing.

[pistontr]

we play too sloppy. we can't execute half-court? run, increase the pace.

we can't execute. we have only one ball handler, reggie jackson, and he is not a great one.

[russkopp]

There's not much you can do when pro bball players can't make shots. You either hope they get out of their funk or find new players. Hopefully the hot streak is coming soon.

[Todd3]

we play too sloppy. we can't execute half-court? run, increase the pace.

we can't execute. we have only one ball handler, reggie jackson, and he is not a great one.

He leads the league in points per drive. When you have a talent like that, you surround him with shooters. Not 25% guys and then complain about the PG.

He has no one to pass to, and the defense knows it so they just sag into his driving/passing lanes, making him appear more turnover prone than he really is.

I agree we need another ball handler though. I think that is why the bench gets better ball movement than the starters, despite having worse talent. They always have 2 guys who can take it off the dribble (SD/SJ or SB/SJ), which can get the defense moving more and creates more penetrate and pass opportunities. That's why I think we need SJ in the starting lineup.

[pistontr]

we play too sloppy. we can't execute half-court? run, increase the pace.

we can't execute. we have only one ball handler, reggie jackson, and he is not a great one.

He leads the league in points per drive. When you have a talent like that, you surround him with shooters. Not 25% guys and then complain about the PG.

He has no one to pass to, and the defense knows it so they just sag into his driving/passing lanes, making him appear more turnover prone than he really is.

he dosen not dish the ball. he even use drummond, he did it once in cleveland game.

[Arp590]

NBA Real Plus-Minus stats up.
"ORPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team offensive performance, measured in points scored per 100 offensive possessions"
Guess whose sitting at 88/96 among PF's with a brutal -2.25?? Anthony Tolliver.
Ersan ranked 9 out of 96 Power Forwards??

"RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors"
Ersan RPM 10/96
Tolliver RPM 75/96


Not a huge sample size so far.. but still.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/6

[Billl]

Playing ersan a bunch of minutes isn't really a workable plan. He's not exactly an NBA ironman.

And really, tolliver didn't forget how to shoot over the summer. When he was getting open looks last year, he was knocking them down.

[Cowology]

Combination of all this stuff; some guys we expect to shoot better simply haven't found their stroke, Reggie probably isn't creating as much we need him to, but overall our movement both on and off the ball is atrocious. We are incredibly stagnant with a lot of ball watching.

But again, I will continue to stress that we should continue to focus on improving our defense before worrying about the offense. I know it's bad. Really bad. But that will come 2nd half of the season.

[Snakebites]

The fact that we have a bench that makes about 3 shots a game certainly doesn't help in that regard.

But yeah, this is a major area of improvement.

[ImHeisenberg]

The shooting is a symptom, not really the problem. The ball movement has been complete trash. So many pick and rolls where Reggie dribbles in a circle and does absolutely nothing. I understand why, he can't shoot and the D loads the paint against him and Dre. This is probably why it was a bad idea to invest in a bad shooting PG when your offensive scheme greatly depends on shooting from perimeter players.

But the ball rarely swings freely. Or, the extra pass is a couple second too late as Morris, KCP or whomever are late on their decision making as they're looking for their shot first, not the best possible shot.

We had a really fun opening week, but reality is setting in and defenses are quickly figuring out and exploiting the laundry list of vulnerabilities this team has. This team was never anywhere close to being a finished product, and we're witnessing why.

[Todd3]

NBA Real Plus-Minus stats up.
"ORPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team offensive performance, measured in points scored per 100 offensive possessions"
Guess whose sitting at 88/96 among PF's with a brutal -2.25?? Anthony Tolliver.
Ersan ranked 9 out of 96 Power Forwards??

"RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors"
Ersan RPM 10/96
Tolliver RPM 75/96


Not a huge sample size so far.. but still.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM/position/6

Great stat. Dont understand why he can't play more than 25 mpg. When our best and only good shooter is playing bench minutes, getting him on the court more would seem a good place to start if you want to improve your shooting. Especially when the result of not playing him more is one of your worst shooters playing more in Tolliver.

[Todd3]

The shooting is a symptom, not really the problem. The ball movement has been complete trash. So many pick and rolls where Reggie dribbles in a circle and does absolutely nothing. I understand why, he can't shoot and the D loads the paint against him and Dre. This is probably why it was a bad idea to invest in a bad shooting PG when your offensive scheme greatly depends on shooting from perimeter players.

But the ball rarely swings freely. Or, the extra pass is a couple second too late as Morris, KCP or whomever are late on their decision making as they're looking for their shot first, not the best possible shot.

We had a really fun opening week, but reality is setting in and defenses are quickly figuring out and exploiting the laundry list of vulnerabilities this team has. This team was never anywhere close to being a finished product, and we're witnessing why.

isnt the lack of shooting the symptom though if its what is causing teams to load the paint which causes Reggie to overdribble?

Reggie has actually been one of our best shooters before the last few games brought his % down. I think its more the guys around him not making theirs when he passes to them.

I agree on the rest especially with the late passes and hesitation part. That is a big part of it. Reggie has gotten better at being decisive before last night, but Morris and KCP hesitate way too much with ball making us too predictable.