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davidvolumes · Post #1 » by **davidvolumes** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:38 am

Has Dre become the number 1 player from his draft class?

DBC10 · Post #2 » by **DBC10** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:45 am

The rumors of Anthony Davis' death have been greatly exaggerated.

engelbert321 · Post #3 » by **engelbert321** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:52 am

1A and 1B between Davis/Dre as of now. But Davis still has a lot of room for improvements

Liqourish · Post #4 » by **Liqourish** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:53 am

Anthony Davis will always been seen as better since he's a far better offensive threat and went 1st overall. But it's not as much of a gap overall as people would think.

Davis- 23.8 pts 10.9 rebs 1.6 asts 1.3 stls 2.8 blks 35.1 mpg
Andre- 18.5 pts 17.0 rebs 0.9 asts 1.9 stls 1.5 blks 35.4 mpg.

Post #5 » by **Cowology** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 4:23 am

engelbert321 wrote:1A and 1B between Davis/Dre as of now. But Davis still has a lot of room for improvements

This is one of those weird comparisons where Davis might be the better player, but Dre has the potential to have a larger impact.

Kinda reminds me of the Big Ben vs. Artest arguments. In his prime Artest was the "better" defender, but Ben's ability to protect the paint and alter the way an entire team was forced to play gave him greater value.

Davis will continue to draw KG comparisons; not as good a ball-handler/passer but he has that type of skilled offensive game that allows him to score from anyplace on the floor and he's a versatile defender. But Dre is headed towards being some sort of Dwight/Shaq hybrid that can command a consistent double team down low and that adds all sorts of value to his overall impact on the game.

Right now Davis is still the better player and more of a sure thing, but the gap is smaller than a lot of people thought it would be and I personally believe Dre has more untapped potential. Dre has the ability to be truly dominant in another couple of years. As well as he's playing the kid is still incredibly raw.

Arp590 · Post #6 » by **Arp590** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 4:25 am

Not a chance. Davis is the clear #1.

MrBigShot · Post #7 » by **MrBigShot** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 4:32 am

This should be the low point of Davis' season. Don't forget he averaged an incredibly efficient 32/11 against the champs in the playoffs last year. He's been below his expectations and should pick it up, while I think we've already gotten a taste of Dre's best this season. Not much more he can do to one up dropping numbers like 25-30 with 25-30 boards.

Dre has closed the gap big time though.

engelbert321 · Post #8 » by **engelbert321** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 4:40 am

Cowology wrote:
engelbert321 wrote:1A and 1B between Davis/Dre as of now. But Davis still has a lot of room for improvements

This is one of those weird comparisons where Davis might be the better player, but Dre has the potential to have a larger impact.

Kinda reminds me of the Big Ben vs. Artest arguments. In his prime Artest was the "better" defender, but Ben's ability to protect the paint and alter the way an entire team was forced to play gave him greater value.

Davis will continue to draw KG comparisons; not as good a ball-handler/passer but he has that type of skilled offensive game that allows him to score from anyplace on the floor and he's a versatile defender. But Dre is headed towards being some sort of Dwight/Shaq hybrid that can command a consistent double team down low and that adds all sorts of value to his overall impact on the game.

Right now Davis is still the better player and more of a sure thing, but the gap is smaller than a lot of people thought it would be and I personally believe Dre has more untapped potential. Dre has the ability to be truly dominant in another couple of years. As well as he's playing the kid is still incredibly raw.

I agree on the most part except for the bolded part. Davis can literally still improve on every aspect of the game; shooting (outside/3pt, inside/post game, ft), defending, passing, ball handling, rebounding, etc. It's scary

Post #9 » by **Timmaytime** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 6:00 am

1. Davis

2a. Drummond
2b. Lillard
2c. Draymond

Davis is still number 1, everyone else has just closed in on him

tmorgan · Post #10 » by **tmorgan** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 8:52 am

It's hard to even argue Dre over Draymond, let alone Anthony Davis, even with his struggles. Drummond is physically dominant, no doubt, but do you see what Green is doing for GS? There's no one in the NBA quite like him. As crazy as it is to say it, Draymond is starting to look like a re-invented Larry Bird.

Todd3 · Post #11 » by **Todd3** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 10:34 am

Someone needs to explain what Anthony Davis has done to earn this mythical title of best player from '12? Reminds me of Chad Ford telling everyone Winslow was better than Johnson so everyone just went with it. Davis is a great player but aside from people saying he is the best is all the time, he hasn't actually done anything to warrant that title yet. Too early for one, and Drummond has been just as dominant this year if not more, with more potential in my opinion. Davis pretty much is what he is already. Drummond isn't even close to how good he is going to be in 3-4 yrs. He also plays the more important position.

To me its simply would you rather have prime Shaq or prime KG? Neither are as good as Shaq/KG, but relative to todays competition I think the analogy is fair. And no one would take KG, so I don't know why so many take Davis.

jakebernat · Post #12 » by **jakebernat** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 2:18 pm

lots of buffoonery in this thread...

DBC10 · Post #13 » by **DBC10** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 2:41 pm

Cowology wrote:
engelbert321 wrote:1A and 1B between Davis/Dre as of now. But Davis still has a lot of room for improvements

This is one of those weird comparisons where Davis might be the better player, but Dre has the potential to have a larger impact.

Kinda reminds me of the Big Ben vs. Artest arguments. In his prime Artest was the "better" defender, but Ben's ability to protect the paint and alter the way an entire team was forced to play gave him greater value.

Davis will continue to draw KG comparisons; not as good a ball-handler/passer but he has that type of skilled offensive game that allows him to score from anyplace on the floor and he's a versatile defender. But Dre is headed towards being some sort of Dwight/Shaq hybrid that can command a consistent double team down low and that adds all sorts of value to his overall impact on the game.

Right now Davis is still the better player and more of a sure thing, but the gap is smaller than a lot of people thought it would be and I personally believe Dre has more untapped potential. Dre has the ability to be truly dominant in another couple of years. As well as he's playing the kid is still incredibly raw.

This is one of the better posts on this thread along with a few reasonable ones too. Kudos.

I'd argue Dre is more of a Moses Malone variety. Just outhustles for rebounds and putbacks that wears down the opposing team's bigmen, which is a lost art nowadays with the rise of small ball. If Dre had a reliable faceup game and jumper, he'd average Moses numbers even more.

Bknight4three · Post #14 » by **Bknight4three** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 2:47 pm

At this point this is how I'd rank it:

1. Davis
2.. Draymond
3a. Drummond
3b. Liliard

Draymond could have been DPOY last season and is averaging more assists per game than Reggie Jackson right now. He allows his team to go small without giving up anything defensively. Drummond definitely has the potential to finish #1.

Navas · Post #15 » by **Navas** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:13 pm

Only thing stopping Davis is his injuries.

Post #16 » by **Cowology** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 5:06 pm

Draymond is extremely difficult to evaluate because he's not an alpha. We always want to judge players based on "could you build a team around him" and he's not going to be your #1 option offensively. We also have a hard time judging how well a player like him would function in a different environment. Is he still averaging 7 apg if you put him on the Pistons in place of Marcus Morris? Or does he suddenly look mortal once you take him off that roster and out of that system?

I don't mean that as a knock on him, they are honest questions. What would happen if you put Dre on the W's with the likes of Curry/Klay? Or if you replace Draymond with Davis for that matter? Flip that and replace Davis with Draymond and are the Pels any better off?

Post #17 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 5:13 pm

Lol.

No.

Spider156 · Post #18 » by **Spider156** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 6:09 pm

tmorgan wrote:It's hard to even argue Dre over Draymond, let alone Anthony Davis, even with his struggles. Drummond is physically dominant, no doubt, but do you see what Green is doing for GS? There's no one in the NBA quite like him. As crazy as it is to say it, Draymond is starting to look like a re-invented Larry Bird.

Lebron James is beyond Draymond Green. Kawhi Leonard is better too.

Spider156 · Post #19 » by **Spider156** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 6:12 pm

Cowology wrote:Draymond is extremely difficult to evaluate because he's not an alpha. We always want to judge players based on "could you build a team around him" and he's not going to be your #1 option offensively. We also have a hard time judging how well a player like him would function in a different environment. Is he still averaging 7 apg if you put him on the Pistons in place of Marcus Morris? Or does he suddenly look mortal once you take him off that roster and out of that system?

I don't mean that as a knock on him, they are honest questions. What would happen if you put Dre on the W's with the likes of Curry/Klay? Or if you replace Draymond with Davis for that matter? Flip that and replace Davis with Draymond and are the Pels any better off?

Green wouldn't be as good on any other team except for the Spurs. He's overrated. Take out Curry and that team doesn't have the confidence that they do.

Spider156 · Post #20 » by **Spider156** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 6:14 pm

1. Davis
1. Drummond
2. Lillard
3. Green

Can't build around Green. He won't run a team. Only reason he's got that many assists is because who's he passing to? Curry? Thompson? Those guys are automatic. I want to see what happens if he passes to Tolliver or Bullock LOL easily 3-4 assists away from his stats. Lillard, now that's a baller!