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Any merit to extending Jennings and trading Jackson?

Hear me out. We have two high quality point guards and likely can't afford both. As it stands, Jennings will probably walk and we get nothing.

Reggie has justified his contract and has value. And he has his warts. Perhaps even package him with serious assets like Johnson, KCP, or firsts and see what king of stud we might land.

Be gentle.

I came in here expecting to be surprised and you certainly delivered.

There are a few reasons I think that this shouldn't happen:

1. Chemistry, especially with Dre and to a lesser extent Stanley.

2. Talent, Jackson is simply better than Jennings, you didn't see the Suns trade Bledsoe instead of Dragic. Keep the guy that's more talented.

3. Trading Fit, what teams are out there that need a point guard and have assets to trade? Utah? New York? Reggie + is not going to get a superstar.

I think Reggie maximizes Drummond, which huge given our dependence on Drummond PnR. Jackson is much better at the rim, and seems to have better chemistry with Dre (though I don't' have the stats offhand). So I understand the sentiment of mitigating the risk of value loss, but in my opinion this concept is a complete non-starter. This is especially true given the market for above-average PGs is completely flooded and therefore it would likely be difficult to get equal value for either player.

I would also suggest maybe posting on the T&T board to try and gauge his value

I'm curious what value Reggie has.

Because I'm not the biggest RJ fan despite him playing very well, I like my PGs to be more perimeter oriented, rather than just PnR to death against the other team. Then again, our offense does look better when Jennings runs the show.

I wonder what SVG thinks because the closest thing to Jameer Nelson he has right now is Jennings. That's not to imply that Stan is against RJ or anything like that.

You probably could have just stopped after "off the wall". RJ is our pg.

No Reggie and Andre play great together and are really close. Why trade your franchise guy best friend when their is no real problem?

DBC10 wrote:I'm curious what value Reggie has.

Because I'm not the biggest RJ fan despite him playing very well, I like my PGs to be more perimeter oriented, rather than just PnR to death against the other team. Then again, our offense does look better when Jennings runs the show.

I wonder what SVG thinks because the closest thing to Jameer Nelson he has right now is Jennings. That's not to imply that Stan is against RJ or anything like that.

Reggie is better than Jameer Nelson why would he want to downgrade to someone like him. Reggie was handpicked by SVG cause he fit his system perfectly SVG would probably laugh at this idea.

Timmaytime wrote:I came in here expecting to be surprised and you certainly delivered.

There are a few reasons I think that this shouldn't happen:

1. Chemistry, especially with Dre and to a lesser extent Stanley.

2. Talent, Jackson is simply better than Jennings, you didn't see the Suns trade Bledsoe instead of Dragic. Keep the guy that's more talented.

3. Trading Fit, what teams are out there that need a point guard and have assets to trade? Utah? New York? Reggie + is not going to get a superstar.

All of this, but especially #2. Jackson is simply better than Jennings, even if the latter were fully healthy and never had an Achilles injury.

I get what you're saying but I think we stick with Jackson. Unless we are trading Jackson/Johnson/3 first rounders for Anthony Davis then I'm not interested. Jackson is everything for us.

Jennings
Caldwell-Pope
Morris
Davis
Drummond

That is a contender though... Obviously NOP wouldn't do it but I don't see another player out there worth packing Jackson for.

Don't be fooled into thinking Jennings run & gun style means we play better with him. You can't play that way for 48 min and especially not in the playoffs. Eventually games come down to halfcourt execution in the 4th and that is where Jackson excels and Jennings falters. Remember all those double digit leads we used to give up in the 4th with Jennings? That was why. He played great when it was an up/down fullcourt game 1st-3rd qtr, but when it came down to a halfcourt game in the 4th we couldn't score because that isn't Jennings game. He's a change of pace PG you bring off the bench to speed the tempo here and there. Jackson was paid the big money for a reason.

I love Reggie Jackson's 1-2 versatility... I think Brandon is the better PG but I don't know what we could trade Reggie for that would help us. It's not like we can put together a package for Blake Griffin or something.... The only deal I would like that I can think of off top is us trading the house to get Ben Simmons but that's probably not gonna happen. RJ and Jennings on the floor together closing games gives us multiple options to create offense.

To be honest I really like our team right now as is and would love to keep Jennings and Jackson. There aren't many players that would be willing to come here better than those two in free agency without overpaying and since we have Reggie trapped here for 5 years.. I say keep him and extend Jennings. 48 mins of above average PG play is better than anything else we can do with the money especially in SVG's "PG run a million P&R's and dribble until something happens" system.


If Stan had Reggie Jackson and Brandon Jennings instead of Jameer Nelson and Rafer Alston he has a ring. I want em both!

Trading a core piece to get back a core piece(or as you call them stud) is a neutral net.

It makes no sense. Now if you want to create a big three, you package everything is takes minus Reggie and Drummond to land the Power forward you want and fill in the other two positions. That is something this board has not talked about and I think its worthy of a thread.

What could Pope, Erson, Johnson, two first round picks and Jennings land us? That is a ton of good players right there and hell, throw in Morris. I dont care.

If your commited to landing a whale to go alongside our other two whales, commit, dont exchange.

Him and Dre have been too good together to trade him for anything other than a clear upgrade talent wise.

I'd rather keep Reggie, and match andy offer Jennings gets up to 13/year as a sixth man playing 25-32 mins a night depending on the match ups.

If Andre Drummond bolts then maybe. Why move the guy on this team who has buddied up with Drummond the most?

Not a chance, yes Jennings was great for a stretch of games with us but this is his 7th year in the league now, that's a small sample size to bet our future on and trade away Reggie.. plus the injury risk.

Brandon Jennings is a career 39% shooter, 37% his first year in Detroit. I like him but not if it means getting rid of Reggie Jackson.

I’ll take both.

I love Reggie. He sucked last night. He'll bring it next game. You can't conquer the world overnight.

Jennings has not shown enough to demonstrate his value as a long term starting point guard right now.

Jackson has.

I understand the sentiment here (a little) but this really doesn't make any sense. When a player proves he's been worth his contract you keep him, you don't dump him in order to gamble again on someone else.

Laimbeer wrote:We have two high quality point guards and likely can't afford both. As it stands, Jennings will probably walk and we get nothing.

Why would that be the case??
What NBA teams are gonna pay Brandon Jennings starter money to start at PG for them??
I don't envision SVG pulling a Joe Dumars and bidding against ourselves.