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Can Dre/Stanimal/Reggie/KCP ever be the best 4 on a bonafide contender? 

Post#1 » by Laimbeer » Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:32 pm

Can these four develop into the best four on a bonafide contender? Or do we have to add another serious player at some point?

I think we still need our main guy, or at least a 1B to Dre's 1A.
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Post#2 » by MotownMadness » Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:42 pm

Need another piece and need Drummond to get better at the line. He's shooting 35% now and it's starting to hurt the team cause we can't hardly play him anymore without having to find ways around his weakness.
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Post#3 » by Kilo » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:39 pm

Not best four, I think PF would have to be #3 on that starting five at least. Also Dre needs to get a respectable FT% or we can't possibly ever win with him.
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Re: Can Dre/Stanimal/Reggie/KCP ever be the best 4 on a bonafide contender? 

Post#4 » by Snakebites » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:47 pm

No, I don't think so. For one we don't know exactly what Stanley can be, he's a 19 year old rookie who could be anywhere from a near allstar type to an 8th man for all we know at this point.

For another I think KCP is probably 7th best player at best on a contending team.

Reggie and Drummond are good enough to be top 4 players on a contending team without any further improvement or development.
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Post#5 » by vic » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:58 pm

Thats definitely a YES. Its not going to happen until SVG puts them all on the floor at the same time. I think that SJ is going to end up an undersized star like Ben Wallace, Draymond Green
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Re: Can Dre/Stanimal/Reggie/KCP ever be the best 4 on a bonafide contender? 

Post#6 » by DetroitPistons » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:19 pm

Snakebites wrote:No, I don't think so. For one we don't know exactly what Stanley can be, he's a 19 year old rookie who could be anywhere from a near allstar type to an 8th man for all we know at this point.

For another I think KCP is probably 7th best player at best on a contending team.

Reggie and Drummond are good enough to be top 4 players on a contending team without any further improvement or development.


Your first and last points are fair but saying KCP would be the 7th best player on a contender!? :eek1: I will never understand the dislike so many people have for KCP. If he increased his FG% by 1 or 2 points he would be averaging 15ppg will fantastic defense, clutch shooting, and the ability to make a play with ball in his hands or off the ball. He is extremely versatile and has improved every year so far. He probably won't ever be a 20ppg scorer, especially if he is a 4th option (I see SJ surpassing him), but he certainly can get to 15-16ppg on decent efficiency and elite defense. The guy is so underrated on this board :nonono:
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Post#7 » by DetroitPistons » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:40 pm

Absolutely. Of course this assumes they will develop reasonably well and not completely bust. I don't see SJ busting at all though (just the opposite) and KCP has clearly shown he isn't a bust. KCP is definitely the 4th guy on that list but he will be an awesome two-way 4th option with excellent versatility and clutch shooting. SJ has a very broad skill set as a 19y that will only improve with time. He handles the ball really well for a SF, passes, rebounds, hustles, defends, spots up from 3, runs P&R, has a midranged pullup/floater, can shoot off the dribble and coming off screens, and can post up at times. Add in his insane confidence and work ethic and you have the perfect recipe for a future allstar. The number one theme I notice with rookies is that they usually shoot a poor FG% and that is no different with SJ. The only thing holding him back is finishing a little better around the rim and improving his jumpshot (which has been better than expected considering he supposedly couldn't shoot before the draft), both of which are efficiency issues. Luckily, we have seen players go from being bad/non-shooters to excellent shooters on a pretty regular basis (Chris Paul, Serge Ibaka, Jimmy Butler, etc). It's just about good form and work ethic, both of which SJ possess. I wouldn't be shocked if SJ turned into our best player (best case scenario) but at worst I see him being an 18ish ppg SF with elite defense. RJ is probably close to peaking, which is fine since he is already a borderline allstar and one of the most clutch players in the league. Drummond is young enough to improve as well. I see Dre being about 20/16 at his peak, and those are conservative numbers. Assuming everyone stays healthy I see these four as one of the best young cores in the league and they will also be able to develop great chemistry together. If we can ever get that perfect stretch PF I see us as contenders in 2 years minimum, again, barring anything catastrophic.
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Post#8 » by DetroitPistons » Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:47 pm

vic wrote:Thats definitely a YES. Its not going to happen until SVG puts them all on the floor at the same time. I think that SJ is going to end up an undersized star like Ben Wallace, Draymond Green


Undersized? How so? He is listed at 6'7" (possibly 6'6"). That is pretty average height for a SF and huge for a SG. When you factor in his ridiculous body/strength/weight (amazing at only 19y...) I think he is plenty big for a SF. For comparison, on NBA.com SJ is listed at 6'7" 245lb and Jimmy Butler is listed at 6'7" 220lb. Right now Butler is playing SG but his natural position is SF.
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Post#9 » by Maker_84 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:24 pm

No. Not enough size or scoring
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Post#10 » by DBC10 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:41 pm

No, we need a go to guy at the 3 spot or even the 4 spot that can also play spot minutes at the 5 due to Dre's inability to hit FTs in the 4th.

Then again, I've been a big Horford fan so I'm biased. Also, I value the importance of the 3 spot way more than others here. We need an absolute stud at the 3.
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Post#11 » by Spider156 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:59 pm

I have every belief in me that one day Stanley Johnson will be a star. He's going to be better than Reggie Jackson. He's just a rookie. It takes a while until you figure out the rhythm of the game but once you do, your game will expand. Stanley can make plays. The guy is a passer and a great shooter. That shot is streaky and his catch and shoot from the side is on point. I think the game is there for him. Once he figures out how to use his size, he'll start controlling the FT line too.

NEWS. I don't think you guys realize this because we've been so invested in this season. This is not Dre's prime right now. He's only 22. That's when players like Duncan and Shaq came into the league. Drummond is dominating at that age as well. I hope people know. Drummond's offense is going to get a whole lot better. He'll develop a shot block. The kid is just growing up.

I think we need a veteran PF. I'd throw a max at Horford or Ibaka. It'll be hard to get a starting PF. I just hope it's not Anderson. I think he's way passed his prime. Unless we get him on a good contract, I don't care to get him in FA. I hope SVG doesn't fall back on him.
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Post#12 » by DetroitPistons » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:12 pm

DBC10 wrote:No, we need a go to guy at the 3 spot or even the 4 spot that can also play spot minutes at the 5 due to Dre's inability to hit FTs in the 4th.

Then again, I've been a big Horford fan so I'm biased. Also, I value the importance of the 3 spot way more than others here. We need an absolute stud at the 3.


You don't think SJ can become that?
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Post#13 » by Snakebites » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:15 pm

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Snakebites wrote:No, I don't think so. For one we don't know exactly what Stanley can be, he's a 19 year old rookie who could be anywhere from a near allstar type to an 8th man for all we know at this point.

For another I think KCP is probably 7th best player at best on a contending team.

Reggie and Drummond are good enough to be top 4 players on a contending team without any further improvement or development.


Your first and last points are fair but saying KCP would be the 7th best player on a contender!? :eek1: I will never understand the dislike so many people have for KCP. If he increased his FG% by 1 or 2 points he would be averaging 15ppg will fantastic defense, clutch shooting, and the ability to make a play with ball in his hands or off the ball. He is extremely versatile and has improved every year so far. He probably won't ever be a 20ppg scorer, especially if he is a 4th option (I see SJ surpassing him), but he certainly can get to 15-16ppg on decent efficiency and elite defense. The guy is so underrated on this board :nonono:


I don't consider him a starting level player.

I can understand why someone would disagree with that, but given what he's shown us so far I'm flabbergasted that people find that to be such an absurd position. He's a solid defensive shooting guard who shoots the ball poorly. He's a bench player on a contending team unless that contending team is a Heatles/OKC/GSW style team that has multiple top 10 or 15 players, which we will not be.

If you've got Durant and Westbrook with supporting pieces like Ibaka you can have a guy like KCP as one of your 4 or 5 best players. If you don't you can't. Again, I can see why someone might disagree with that, but I don't see why that's so far off that it would warrant insulting emocticons.
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Post#14 » by DetroitPistons » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:16 pm

Spider156 wrote:I have every belief in me that one day Stanley Johnson will be a star. He's going to be better than Reggie Jackson. He's just a rookie. It takes a while until you figure out the rhythm of the game but once you do, your game will expand. Stanley can make plays. The guy is a passer and a great shooter. That shot is streaky and his catch and shoot from the side is on point. I think the game is there for him. Once he figures out how to use his size, he'll start controlling the FT line too.

NEWS. I don't think you guys realize this because we've been so invested in this season. This is not Dre's prime right now. He's only 22. That's when players like Duncan and Shaq came into the league. Drummond is dominating at that age as well. I hope people know. Drummond's offense is going to get a whole lot better. He'll develop a shot block. The kid is just growing up.

I think we need a veteran PF. I'd throw a max at Horford or Ibaka. It'll be hard to get a starting PF. I just hope it's not Anderson. I think he's way passed his prime. Unless we get him on a good contract, I don't care to get him in FA. I hope SVG doesn't fall back on him.


Passed his prime!? He's 27... He is in his prime right now and will be for the next few years.
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Post#15 » by Spider156 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:21 pm

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Spider156 wrote:I have every belief in me that one day Stanley Johnson will be a star. He's going to be better than Reggie Jackson. He's just a rookie. It takes a while until you figure out the rhythm of the game but once you do, your game will expand. Stanley can make plays. The guy is a passer and a great shooter. That shot is streaky and his catch and shoot from the side is on point. I think the game is there for him. Once he figures out how to use his size, he'll start controlling the FT line too.

NEWS. I don't think you guys realize this because we've been so invested in this season. This is not Dre's prime right now. He's only 22. That's when players like Duncan and Shaq came into the league. Drummond is dominating at that age as well. I hope people know. Drummond's offense is going to get a whole lot better. He'll develop a shot block. The kid is just growing up.

I think we need a veteran PF. I'd throw a max at Horford or Ibaka. It'll be hard to get a starting PF. I just hope it's not Anderson. I think he's way passed his prime. Unless we get him on a good contract, I don't care to get him in FA. I hope SVG doesn't fall back on him.


Passed his prime!? He's 27... He is in his prime right now and will be for the next few years.

See I didn't know he's only 27. I thought he was that age in Orlando. Yeah he's most likely going to come here and we'll sign him to a nice contract. I mean if he can hit the 3 that well, he's welcome. I just don't know how he's playing right now. I'm sure the scouting system knows very well.
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Post#16 » by DBC10 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:29 pm

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DBC10 wrote:No, we need a go to guy at the 3 spot or even the 4 spot that can also play spot minutes at the 5 due to Dre's inability to hit FTs in the 4th.

Then again, I've been a big Horford fan so I'm biased. Also, I value the importance of the 3 spot way more than others here. We need an absolute stud at the 3.


You don't think SJ can become that?


Not with what he's shown thus far, I also meant if we wanted to make an immediate impact as opposed to waiting for SJ to develop into a player like that.
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Post#17 » by Spider156 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:30 pm

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Spider156 wrote:I have every belief in me that one day Stanley Johnson will be a star. He's going to be better than Reggie Jackson. He's just a rookie. It takes a while until you figure out the rhythm of the game but once you do, your game will expand. Stanley can make plays. The guy is a passer and a great shooter. That shot is streaky and his catch and shoot from the side is on point. I think the game is there for him. Once he figures out how to use his size, he'll start controlling the FT line too.

NEWS. I don't think you guys realize this because we've been so invested in this season. This is not Dre's prime right now. He's only 22. That's when players like Duncan and Shaq came into the league. Drummond is dominating at that age as well. I hope people know. Drummond's offense is going to get a whole lot better. He'll develop a shot block. The kid is just growing up.

I think we need a veteran PF. I'd throw a max at Horford or Ibaka. It'll be hard to get a starting PF. I just hope it's not Anderson. I think he's way passed his prime. Unless we get him on a good contract, I don't care to get him in FA. I hope SVG doesn't fall back on him.


Passed his prime!? He's 27... He is in his prime right now and will be for the next few years.

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If he can do this, he'd be great. He creates his own shot but I don't think he'll need to if Stanley starts. He's like a Morris and Ilyasova put together without the pump fakes. Yeah he can be good for us.
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Post#18 » by MrBigShot » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:45 pm

Yes, but KCP/Stanley need to improve. Significantly. And Dre has to improve at the line so he can close games.

Otherwise, as I've stated in some other game threads...we won't win with either Dre/Reggie as our #1 guy.
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Post#19 » by DocRI » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:50 pm

I'm sorry Lambs, but this is a ridiculous question.

First off, as many have already pointed out, we're so damn young. Stanley Johnson is a 19 year old rookie with one start to his credit (due to him filling in for an injured teammate). Reggie's the senior citizen of the group at the ripe old age of 25. Talking about what they could "ever" be, or in this case NOT be, is way, way, W-A-Y premature.

Second, who's the fourth best player on the Thunder, Enes Kanter? Who's the fourth best player on the Bulls, Joakim Noah? Hell, who's the fourth best player on the CAVS, J.R. Smith? Cleveland is most definitely a "bonafide contender," and if you started a thread titled, "Can J.R. Smith be the 4th best player on a bonafide contender?" it would be mocked ruthlessly until it was locked. Of course, that's because there's absolutely zero CONTEXT to such a thread; the Cavs are contenders with Smith as their fourth best player 'cuz their three best players are LeBron, Kyrie and Love.

But let's be optimists! Let's say Reggie becomes a top 5 PG in the league, Stanley becomes Kawhi version 2.0, KCP develops into the second coming of Ray Allen, and Dre blossoms into the best big of his generation, a never-before-seen cross of Moses Malone and Shaq. Even saying all of that happens for us, OF COURSE we still want to add "another serious player!" Why the hell not? What team ever says, "No, that's okay, we've got enough talent; no need to keep improving our roster, even though we have the assets and cap space to do so!"
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Post#20 » by BadMofoPimp » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:54 pm

Sure. Only if these players are truly motivated to work as hard as possible to be the best they can be and play within the system SVG devises. Anything is possible.
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