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That's what I thought I saw when I watched the game on replay.

Heat of the moment. KCP is a good kid. He knows SVG controls his contract

I'm not positive, but I think someone (either SVG or a teammate on the bench) told him something to the effect of "you gotta be smarter than that." Which is probably not what you want to hear while you're in the heat of just getting tossed. Probably yelled something back like, "Yeah, no sh*t!" (just my guess).

Doubt it's anything serious going forward.

bballnmike wrote:I'm not positive, but I think someone (either SVG or a teammate on the bench) told him something to the effect of "you gotta be smarter than that." Which is probably not what you want to hear while you're in the heat of just getting tossed. Probably yelled something back like, "Yeah, no sh*t!" (just my guess).

Doubt it's anything serious going forward.

This is how I took it also.

You can hear KCP say something about not fouling and SVG wasn't having any of that. Even if you are right, you can't get a second T complaining about a call. I'm sure KCP knows that, but he obviously let bad calls get the best of him. That is a pretty out of character for him, so I wouldn't read much into it.

SVG told him he was ejected and sarcastically said "Good job". KCP wasn't feeling the sarcasm. He was looking for support from his coach.

It's a nonissue.

KCP is a soldier. SVG is straight forward with his guys. They'll talk and grow from it.

Eh, nothing to it. People get frustrated all the time in the heat of battle. I seen it happen with JJ Reddick, Jameer, Shard and about all with SVG over 5-6 years with the Magic. Then, the next day they are best friends joking in practice.

This is an isolated incident, unlike Josh Smith battling Mo Cheeks throwing temper tantrum about his shot selection.

Stan still trusts KCP too much to punish (especially being our only perimeter stopper) him so this will make it a nonissue and let them grow together. You gotta fight to grow sometimes.

I think KCP is SVGs favorite player... his comments are typically positive. He doesn't have to rag on him about effort.

After KCP was hit with a technical foul, it looked a lot like he didn't realize it. As KCP was hanging around the Pistons' bench, Stan Van Gundy relayed the message to KCP that he was gone and, as KCP was walking away, SVG threw in what looks an awfully lot like a derisive, "Nice job." In other words, not a nice job, you idiot. KCP heard this and immediately turned around and shouted some things in SVG's direction. It's not clear what KCP's saying, but it's very clear he's not happy with SVG in that moment. Even Brandon Jennings has a look on his face like, "C'mon, coach," before he escorts KCP away. KCP turned back a couple times as he was walking off the court and he wasn't yapping only in David Jones' direction. The cameras would ultimately switch back to a still-seething SVG, who appeared to say at least one more thing to KCP as he was walking away.

"I felt like it was a bad call, unfortunately," Pistons point guard Reggie Jackson said. "I'm not sure what he was thinking, if he felt like it was just him out there. I think he wants to feel like somebody has his back. He's very feisty, he plays hard all the time.

"KCP just wants somebody to have his back. That's about it. I got it -- but I think he knows better. We already talked about it, but I think he'll learn from it."

It's not hard to read between the lines of what Jackson thinks after speaking with KCP: KCP wanted SVG to have his back.

i am actually on KCP's side. SVG is all about winning and he felt that KCP was being selfish in the moment, however knowing how hard kcp plays and mild tempered he is, if he's that upset, its for a reason. teaching moment for everyone

All of our players need to chill and stop getting into it with the refs. And stop trying to make plays on defense when the clock is running down and the guy you're guarding is 25 ft from the rim. Make the guy create something himself with 5 seconds on the clock. Don't bail him out going for a steal and risk getting a foul in that situation when you're in the penalty. Drummond did the same on Gasol's 3 in the 4th.

We need better late clock IQ/discipline - on offense too. Ersan multiple times lately has gotten an offensive rebound at the end of a qtr, turning the shot clock off, and instead off holding for the last shot he immediately goes for the putback heavily guarded, misses, and the other team ends up scoring again before the end of the qtr every time. Points that never should've happened if we just played smarter and understood late clock situations better.

Tolliver said it perfect after the game

"It wasn't just (KCP). There were a couple other guys that teetered on getting thrown out as well, because we lost our focus on the right things and started focusing on a lack of calls or bad calls against us"

Instead of being disciplined when the clock is running down, guys got greedy and then tried blaming the refs. I know KCP wants Stan to take his side there, but that would've been poor coaching as Stan needs to be able to teach him after the game that he can't go for a steal in that situation, and had he blamed the refs for it, KCP would've thought he was doing the right thing and possibly repeated it again later. Sometimes you gotta learn the hard way. Good teaching moment imo.

If KCP hadn't picked up a tech earlier in the game by losing his cool and spiking the ball after he traveled (and he DID travel), this is a non-issue. He then followed it up by losing his cool even more when he most needed to keep it and got himself tossed. Both were utterly stupid and SVG was right to call him on it (assuming that's what he did). As the saying goes, "It matters not what is done to us; it only matters what we do with what is done to us." In other words, s*** happens; take bad calls in stride, don't cost your team points, and keep your butt and mind in the game where they belong.

Much ado about very little. I think it had a lot more to do with KCP thinking very strongly that he was fouled on his drive on the previous play. However, I'm sure he feels badly about the way it played out.

It's funny to see the comments about KCP needing to keep his cool when literally every game is "the worst officiated game ever" according to some on here. The record for bad officiating gets broken game by game based on the game threads. But now KCP needs to sit and take it? I hope these ain't the same people that get on Jim Caldwell's case for being too mild mannered and not being more stern when making his case with officials. I've never seen Pope like that, so I tend to lean to his side of things because every now and then he is allowed to vent his frustration.

DetroitSho wrote:It's funny to see the comments about KCP needing to keep his cool when literally every game is "the worst officiated game ever" according to some on here. The record for bad officiating gets broken game by game based on the game threads. But now KCP needs to sit and take it? I hope these ain't the same people that get on Jim Caldwell's case for being too mild mannered and not being more stern when making his case with officials. I've never seen Pope like that, so I tend to lean to his side of things because every now and then he is allowed to vent his frustration.

Big difference between the two situations you are talking about. When the Lions get jobbed on blatant bad calls and the league admits fault after, and Caldwell says nothing in game despite being no penalty for a coach voicing his displeasure with a call, that is a problem. When Pistons players argue calls against them that were the correct calls, and they can be penalized for arguing, that is a problem as well.

I actually don't mind if a player vents to the ref if it really is a bad call, because you do want to let it be known and sometimes you'll get a makeup call if it really was a bad call, but I thought all 3 of the fouls that Drummond and KCP got techs for arguing about were correct calls. You don't want our players to get the reputation of being a team that whines about every call, and then every call starts going against us correct or not, like it was with Rasheed. That's totally different from a coach arguing a bad call here and there in the NFL.

Todd3 wrote:

DetroitSho wrote:It's funny to see the comments about KCP needing to keep his cool when literally every game is "the worst officiated game ever" according to some on here. The record for bad officiating gets broken game by game based on the game threads. But now KCP needs to sit and take it? I hope these ain't the same people that get on Jim Caldwell's case for being too mild mannered and not being more stern when making his case with officials. I've never seen Pope like that, so I tend to lean to his side of things because every now and then he is allowed to vent his frustration.

Big difference between the two situations you are talking about. When the Lions get jobbed on blatant bad calls and the league admits fault after, and Caldwell says nothing in game despite being no penalty for a coach voicing his displeasure with a call, that is a problem. When Pistons players argue calls against them that were the correct calls, and they can be penalized for arguing, that is a problem as well.

I actually don't mind if a player vents to the ref if it really is a bad call, because you do want to let it be known and sometimes you'll get a makeup call if it really was a bad call, but I thought all 3 of the fouls that Drummond and KCP got techs for arguing about were correct calls. You don't want our players to get the reputation of being a team that whines about every call, and then every call starts going against us correct or not, like it was with Rasheed. That's totally different from a coach arguing a bad call here and there in the NFL.

Yeah but I don't even think KCP was arguing the actual call as much as the lopsided ticky tack stuff they were getting called for but not receiving the same benefit of.